A question about marriage...

[Lostmixup]

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I'm fine with boyfriends and girlfriends as long as they don't end up trying to save each other. Now, here's something even more to worry about which would piss off a lot of players, even I. Gay Marriage or relationships, they will do whatever it takes to fuck it up and use it as a reason.

Should REAAAAAlly, explain that sentence UM so people aren't confuse by it anymore.

But in all seriousness, we're talking about marriage in general, it doesn't matter what kind of marriage it is.

[Wickedtemp]

Eh. As unnecessary as that was, it's not going to change anything. The way the vote is going, marriages are likely going to be poofed. Relationships though would most likely be okay though, because I mean... If you try to put rules around that, like even best friends and stuff, then the server has shot itself in the foot RP-wise.

Try RPing the same shit with a group of strangers every day, see how boring that gets.

So... I'll still have a character who's in a same-sex relationship, regardless of the final ruling on this, because that's a part of the character.

[apophis775]

Relationships would be allowed. It's "Marriage" that sort of breaks the military-side of everything.

And as I said, there would be requirements/restrictions.

I'm actually going to write up an "RP guidelines" topic.

[Dyne]

I'm all for clarifications, restrictions, and a strengthening of discipline all over.

[UnknownMurder]

Only Gabol understood message.

Thank you for actually reading through it and understanding concept. I was actually going to give up on this thread if no one understood it. Just comfriming Gabol's message was my intention to get message through. Thanks for the drama, everyone.

Now think about it carefully, this thread is pointed at meta-buddies, not only limited to relationships but breaking people out of prison? Coming up random excuse such as marriage. I don't care if you have gay relationship as long as it doesn't bothers me as I've always said to defensive people in real world.

Now, that I said it doesn't bother me. Any marriage in open space, (I.e. Tanya kisses Mike loudly, slurping all over his cheek) bothers people, even I. I admit, this was a bad scenario for me to come up with, let me think of another scenario. This is the most drama scenario I can come up with. I am well known for creating stories such as Tell-Tale Honk.

Scenario B: Tanya finds Mike in the Dorms with Casca. Casca was kissing Mike in front of Tanya. Tanya kills Casca and then suicides.

Alright. This is the exact predicted bullshit.

[MrGabol100]

Only Gabol understood message.

Thank you for actually reading through it and understanding concept. I was actually going to give up on this thread if no one understood it. Just comfriming Gabol's message was my intention to get message through. Thanks for the drama, everyone.

Now think about it carefully, this thread is pointed at meta-buddies, not only limited to relationships but breaking people out of prison? Coming up random excuse such as marriage. I don't care if you have gay relationship as long as it doesn't bothers me as I've always said to defensive people in real world.

Now, that I said it doesn't bother me. Any marriage in open space, (I.e. Tanya kisses Mike loudly, slurping all over his cheek) bothers people, even I. I admit, this was a bad scenario for me to come up with, let me think of another scenario. This is the most drama scenario I can come up with. I am well known for creating stories such as Tell-Tale Honk.

Scenario B: Tanya finds Mike in the Dorms with Casca. Casca was kissing Mike in front of Tanya. Tanya kills Casca and then suicides.

Alright. This is the exact predicted bullshit.

*Cough* Vote for Gabol U-S of A Presidencial candidature 2016 *Cough*

[Jen_Llama]

Thanks for the drama, everyone.

Scenario B: Tanya finds Mike in the Dorms with Casca. Casca was kissing Mike in front of Tanya. Tanya kills Casca and then suicides.

Okay.

[Dyne]

And "abolishing" marriages will avoid situation "B" how?

[Jack McIntyre]

Yea the same could be done with people in a relationship too, however as I said just make guidelines. Because where was the last time Mike shot up all the marines who got hugged by Tanya?

[Wickedtemp]

Only Gabol understood message.

Now, that I said it doesn't bother me. Any marriage in open space, (I.e. Tanya kisses Mike loudly, slurping all over his cheek) bothers people, even I. I admit, this was a bad scenario for me to come up with, let me think of another scenario. This is the most drama scenario I can come up with. I am well known for creating stories such as Tell-Tale Honk.

Scenario B: Tanya finds Mike in the Dorms with Casca. Casca was kissing Mike in front of Tanya. Tanya kills Casca and then suicides.

Alright. This is the exact predicted bullshit.

...

"Hi, I'm UnknownMurder and I'm going to try to prove that relationships are bad by making up the most terrible scenario I can think of, regardless of whether or not it has ever happened or ever will! And not only will I do that, but I'll also shit all over the players behind the characters in the scenario by completely discrediting them as good RPers! Aren't I the best?"

This is what you did. I mean, really? If the two characters are in a marriage and they're more or less taking that shit seriously, do you REALLY think that one of them is going to cheat on the other, with one of the only other married people on the ship?

Instead of making up "Worst Case Scenarios" how about you look at what ACTUALLY HAPPENS.

[UnknownMurder]

I'm stepping out. Mike, Tanya, and Casca were just random names I've noticed here. Under no intention have I want to shitpost the characters. You guys are being so defensive like Gabol said. Those three characters are actually my friends, and I am their friends. They know I don't mean it. I can step out because no one actually understands my message other than Gabol and some of bystanders. I'll just tell you this before I leave.

Also, Apophis already made the points clear. Did anyone read them? Anyone? No? This topic should have been closed a long time ago. As Veradox said on different thread, this is a game, not realism. This server, Colonial Marines isn't a dating game, it's action, bloody, gore, Rated M for Violence game. This game has no intention for romance, never was focused on a love story. If you want a love RP, this is not the place you should be doing this. Remind me the Target Audience of the Colonial Marines AND alien franchise. Please, I insist. Apophis is already writing out RP Guidelines/Rules.

I'm out, I just realized what Johnner realized. Continue your debate. I'll be watching from the sidelines with my popcorns with audience. This is a peanut gallery. I'll be sitting with the players in Mini-Chat.

[Themaster]

Ugh... No. Just no. It's completely unreasonable for a legally married couple to work on the same military ship on the same mission. Even then, it just invites meta-buddies and having an excuse to do things nobody would reasonably do. In my completely honest opinion, it's bull.

[apophis775]

Ok, the polls is nearly done, and clearly there is a SIGNIFICANT amount of people who do want it allowed.

So, this isn't going to exactly be a "cut and dry" situation.

[Feweh]

I've waited to the end just to see what people wrote and how they feel.

I can honestly say that I find it ridiculous that we want to ban a form of RP that really doesn't have any privileges or rights to break any of the rules in-place.

This is a fictional universe where humans are cryo-frozen for years for transport in-space. Who are we to say that perhaps in this universe, your married one can be on the same ship so you can be cryoed together. Would this not of been a hot-topic in a actual universe with this issue? Think about it, if you're frozen for years to be transported across the galaxy how would the military not come up with a solution to bring your significant other with you.

I think it's really silly to limit or remove a form of RP that really doesn't harm anyone in-game. It's pretty simple, if they break rule's because their characters are "married" they then should be punished. How is this any worse than players being best friends with another player? It isn't, because honestly if my best friend is playing this game it means A LOT more to me than someone I've married in-game.

In my opinion, a lot of these "married' people in-game are actually our good fucking RPers. Where acting like they are some over-privileged rule breaking problem causers here? People are always going to ERP or stick up for their "best-friend", so to classify married people are the sole issue here is ridiculous.


This is a fictional universe and I understand the main issue with it. But where acting like we can't subject "married" couple to the current rule standards. If you want to fucking ban something, ban best friends in-game, we have WAY more issue's with people being "best friends" or "friends in real life".

This begs to question, if we ban married couples, do we ban siblings, family members and relationships?
You're opening a door that really doesn't need to be opened which only leads to many others.

[XenonDragneel]

I do not want marriage in-game. Why? Marines don't marry another marines... That's can kick you out of the USMC

[Seehund]

I've waited to the end just to see what people wrote and how they feel.

I can honestly say that I find it ridiculous that we want to ban a form of RP that really doesn't have any privileges or rights to break any of the rules in-place.

This is a fictional universe where humans are cryo-frozen for years for transport in-space. Who are we to say that perhaps in this universe, your married one can be on the same ship so you can be cryoed together. Would this not of been a hot-topic in a actual universe with this issue? Think about it, if you're frozen for years to be transported across the galaxy how would the military not come up with a solution to bring your significant other with you.

I think it's really silly to limit or remove a form of RP that really doesn't harm anyone in-game. It's pretty simple, if they break rule's because their characters are "married" they then should be punished. How is this any worse than players being best friends with another player? It isn't, because honestly if my best friend is playing this game it means A LOT more to me than someone I've married in-game.

In my opinion, a lot of these "married' people in-game are actually our good fucking RPers. Where acting like they are some over-privileged rule breaking problem causers here? People are always going to ERP or stick up for their "best-friend", so to classify married people are the sole issue here is ridiculous.


This is a fictional universe and I understand the main issue with it. But where acting like we can't subject "married" couple to the current rule standards. If you want to fucking ban something, ban best friends in-game, we have WAY more issue's with people being "best friends" or "friends in real life".

This begs to question, if we ban married couples, do we ban siblings, family members and relationships?
You're opening a door that really doesn't need to be opened which only leads to many others.

Summed up perfectly.

[SkyeAuroline]

This begs to question, if we ban married couples, do we ban siblings, family members and relationships?
You're opening a door that really doesn't need to be opened which only leads to many others.

Yes. This would be ideal. That may just be my opinion, but it'd be ideal. It's not like anyone uses siblings or family members as anything other than an excuse for meta.

Relationships in general... non-romantic, I'm cool with.

[Sargeantmuffinman]

So the marrage poll ends with a nope.....

[apophis775]

Pretty much. Now I have to determine how I'm going to deal with this.

[apophis775]

I've waited to the end just to see what people wrote and how they feel.

I can honestly say that I find it ridiculous that we want to ban a form of RP that really doesn't have any privileges or rights to break any of the rules in-place.

This is a fictional universe where humans are cryo-frozen for years for transport in-space. Who are we to say that perhaps in this universe, your married one can be on the same ship so you can be cryoed together. Would this not of been a hot-topic in a actual universe with this issue? Think about it, if you're frozen for years to be transported across the galaxy how would the military not come up with a solution to bring your significant other with you.

I think it's really silly to limit or remove a form of RP that really doesn't harm anyone in-game. It's pretty simple, if they break rule's because their characters are "married" they then should be punished. How is this any worse than players being best friends with another player? It isn't, because honestly if my best friend is playing this game it means A LOT more to me than someone I've married in-game.

In my opinion, a lot of these "married' people in-game are actually our good fucking RPers. Where acting like they are some over-privileged rule breaking problem causers here? People are always going to ERP or stick up for their "best-friend", so to classify married people are the sole issue here is ridiculous.


This is a fictional universe and I understand the main issue with it. But where acting like we can't subject "married" couple to the current rule standards. If you want to fucking ban something, ban best friends in-game, we have WAY more issue's with people being "best friends" or "friends in real life".

This begs to question, if we ban married couples, do we ban siblings, family members and relationships?
You're opening a door that really doesn't need to be opened which only leads to many others.

Married people aren't the issue, Marriage is more of "the line in the sand". And the issue, is that it can create metacliques and elitism, which I am 100% against. The same people always squadding up isn't a problem, but people who want to get married and expect other marines to jump to their immediate defense is. We are NOT THAT TYPE OF RP SERVER. If you want to marry someone and have a "relationship", there are servers that cater to that. I don't fucking spend around 1/4th of my time working on mechanics so people can ignore them to have an in-game date, or refuse to do things because their spouse is in trouble/jail (issues we've had happen).

[Feweh]

Married people aren't the issue, Marriage is more of "the line in the sand". And the issue, is that it can create metacliques and elitism, which I am 100% against. The same people always squadding up isn't a problem, but people who want to get married and expect other marines to jump to their immediate defense is. We are NOT THAT TYPE OF RP SERVER. If you want to marry someone and have a "relationship", there are servers that cater to that. I don't fucking spend around 1/4th of my time working on mechanics so people can ignore them to have an in-game date, or refuse to do things because their spouse is in trouble/jail (issues we've had happen).

How is this any different from best-friends, or members of the same family and even members of special groups. (Banter Squad etc)

I feel like the real issue at hand is simply the whole being "Married". As I said above, there's no difference than with best-friends or family members... you often see other players busting their friend out of the bridge or going out of their way to rescue their OOC Squad group.

I personally would never "marry" in-game or have any form of that shit. I think think it's a bit silly really, but some people enjoy that stuff... and as long as they aren't breaking any current rules why is it a issue when other groups do it just as often?

All I'm saying is you're classifying "married" couples as problematic when we have the same issues IF NOT WORSE from best friends/special groups.
My point is you can't really single out in-game married people as issues to a main problem when it already exist from other groups. As I said, I actually find that most people who RP relationships in-game are generally our better players who actually do RP.

[apophis775]

I never said best-friends/special groups weren't a problem as well. It's just less likely to escalate the way I've seen some of the marriage situations.

[Mac]

After reading a lot of the arguments, I'm willing to flip my position into the "nope" category anyways. I understand where people are coming from and it won't really affect me anyways as I don't rp any kind of relationships beyond friendship.

[Wickedtemp]

Okay... So, marriages will get a boot to the teeth.

So, now the "married" couples will just go to "in a relationship" and the problem won't be solved at all. It will be as if nothing changed. Incidents previously fueled by 'spousal rights' will now be because "They're my girl/boyfriend and I love them."

Then, depending on how that ends up, "relationships" will get a boot to the teeth, and the characters in relationships will just become best friends, and the problem won't be solved at all. "Because I love them." will turn into "We're best friends."

Then, also depending on the circumstances, we'll end up saying that none of the marines ever met before waking up from cryo, utterly destroying any real point of actually making a character. Or, we'll stick to the same characters, people will still hang out and stick with their friends for the IC reason of "Y'know, I've got a good feeling about that 'Xur' guy..." and the problem won't be solved at all. "We're best friends." will turn into... something. Maybe "But they've got a cool nickname!"

[ParadoxSpace]

You gotta draw a line in the sand somewhere dude.
Friendships are fine, yeah.
That's your girlfriend? Yeah, alright. Hope you're willing to leave her behind.
Banter and Sanctum? Sure, makes some IC sense.
Marriages? Nah. That's just gonna invite a whole bunch of nonsense.