A question about marriage...

[Wickedtemp]

Yeah, the only way to effectively combat 'meta friending' is to force everyone to have a random name. And I'm pretty sure all of the donor items would be scrapped, along with the characters themselves. That sucks. I'd probably leave if that happened.

So, keeping in mind that 'meta friending' can't be stopped at all no matter what... And that there's no REAL reason to not have the married couples stay aside from some people not liking RP, there's... no reason not to have it, and it benefits some people.

[Edgelord]

I think a good question is does this really matter? Like who cares THAT much about being married to another marine? This is absurd and blown way out of proportion.

Honestly it sounds like a good reason for marines to not obey their squad leaders, and like we really need another reason for that. Maybe develop a relationship if the round goes on IF IT FEELS ORGANIC. But you don't need a marriage to another marine. Vasquez and Drake had an implied romantic affiliation, play it off like that. If this goes through with less than a 2/3 majority then it's likely going to annoy half the community and make a minor difference for the other.

And as for meta friending I'm okay with people knowing each other before the events of the mission, just don't let it dominate your character.

[Wickedtemp]

I think a good question is does this really matter? Like who cares THAT much about being married to another marine? This is absurd and blown way out of proportion.

Honestly it sounds like a good reason for marines to not obey their squad leaders, and like we really need another reason for that. Maybe develop a relationship if the round goes on IF IT FEELS ORGANIC. But you don't need a marriage to another marine. Vasquez and Drake had an implied romantic affiliation, play it off like that. If this goes through with less than a 2/3 majority then it's likely going to annoy half the community and make a minor difference for the other.

And as for meta friending I'm okay with people knowing each other before the events of the mission, just don't let it dominate your character.

See, if it doesn't really matter.. Then it should be allowed, because it would be absolutely STELLAR for those involved, while only being a SLIGHT ANNOYANCE to those who aren't.

A few extremely happy people vs a larger handful of people who get annoyed for like five seconds over a non-issue.

[Edgelord]

See, if it doesn't really matter.. Then it should be allowed, because it would be absolutely STELLAR for those involved, while only being a SLIGHT ANNOYANCE to those who aren't.

A few extremely happy people vs a larger handful of people who get annoyed for like five seconds over a non-issue.

If marriage would do that much for you in a game of colonial marines I can already imagine how over-bearing the RP would be. I've never been one to cry muh realism, but why would a married couple be in a brigade together?

[apophis775]

First, let me clarify the difference between "meta-friending" and "friending".


Regular friending: I see X player, he seems legit, so I'll normally team up with him if I can, or act friendly to him like we know each other or are bros. I won't break rules or laws, and if he gets arrested, I'll probably laugh at his stupidity and let him go serve his time.


Meta-Friending: I DEDICATE myself to X player and their cause. I RP mostly with them, and if there is EVER a problem where they break a rule (or I do), I make sure to involve myself and help them again the MPs or command. I won't play in a squad that doesn't contain them, and my RP is centric to that character being around. If he breaks a rule or law, I'll typically be involved, and help him against the MPs. When shit happens with either of us, we are both nearly always questioned due to proximity or involvement.


Meta-friending, is the situation where, 2 people's "RP" causes someone to get arrested when he's just trying to do good and ruins his round. THAT IS THE SHIT I do not want to deal with. And THAT IS THE SHIT that is going to get me to bring the hammer down HARD. You want marriages and stuff? Then married people and other marines better not interfere with arrests or RP of other players, because one interference, and the MPs are ovewhelmed by a RIOT. Like I describe below, a doctor was simply trying to TREAT A PATIENT and Marriage ended up creating bullshit and getting the CMO arrested. That shit is fine on High-RP servers, but this is a Medium Action-RP server, and I will NOT have people who are married creating awkward situations for regular players who just want to shoot aliens (the goal of the server).

You don't, they don't, they MOSTLY can't. Marines are Marines first and foremost and, no matter what is printed on their fancy ID, it does NOT allow them any special rights. Of course, this presents all sorts of GOOD opportunities for IC law-breaking, that again, should be handled IC by MPs, those unsung heroes. Could a brawl potentially escalate because an insult was flung? Sure, I don't see the problem. Is it okay if this somehow priority over the murderous lizards? Yes. No, I am not advocating this course of action, but PLEASE. Marines are their own worst enemy, and if they want to lose the round over a petty squabble, so be it.

Furthermore, this is why Moderators and Admins are there, is that not right?
They give their sanity, slowly burning out like a fuse until they inevitably explode, so these situations can be handled on a per-case basis where they may balloon and expand OOCly, threatening the oh-so-fragile status quo of those schyzoballs called players.

To conclude - for now; Apophis, this is not the problem you are looking for. Could this potentially become part of it? Possibly. Like any aspect of any community ever. My humble opinion, however, is that it would be a pretty big error, limiting player freedom and who knows, maybe driving away some players because of this. It is a touchy nerve, that even the most practiced surgeon would be wary in touching and perhaps rightly so.

The only piece of suggestion I can offer, truthfully, is cracking down on metabudding proper, with no particular regard towards a player's celibacy, and deal with these cases as they come, leaving it up to the players to do as they see fit. Still within reason, obviously.

The other parts, are good points, which I have been considering, so let me focus on what I quoted.

The thing is, there are only 3 MPs, and unless admins/mods start HELPING the MPs, because of how SS13 and Byond is in general, it's INCREDEBLY easy to just robust the shit out of an MP who's trying to do his job and then get to the planet (where the MPs aren't allowed) before anything happens. This happens SO FREQUENTLY IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY. And I see people who are married, just adding to that.

And yes, I understand this is a very sensitive subject, but consider my view on it. I'm slowly burning out, several of my staff already have. I don't want shit that is going to make MORE PROBLEMS. It's fine to try and "pretend" that this is something that only affects IC, but it's not. Here's the "gist" of what happened, which brought this to my attention:

Someone needed medical attention and surgery.
Their "wife" was trying to force themself into the surgery room, claiming they had "spousal rights".
They were denied, and there was an arguement.
The injured denied that they wanted treatment, and the arguement continued.
The spouse, upset, smashed up the medbay windows.
The Doctor, believing himself in danger, hit both of the people with chloral and called for MPs.
The MPs arrested the doctor for an hour.
Doctor got upset as he "comes to CM to fight aliens and play with marines, not for spousal bullshit bullying" and ghosted to join the aliens.

The doctor, was the CMO, and prior to the incident, he had been on the server, for about 4 minutes.


This is the shit I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING DEAL WITH. This is shit, that is NOT PART OF WHAT I WANT ON MY SERVER. This is the shit, that made me leave Hypatia (after 3 rounds of meta-friend bullying), and keeps me from the high-RP servers. The cliches, the meta-friending, all that shit. People who come here, come here because they want to fight aliens, not deal with the "Real Housewives of Colonial Marines". So, if we are going to keep marriages, then I'm going to bring down the hammer VERY HARD when people create situations like this. I don't get paid to run this server (to the contrary, I have to pay taxes on the donations we receive to keep the server going), nor do i get paid for the HOURS of coding, mapping, maintence, and monitoring I do. Not saying I want to get paid, but considering the stress, situations like this make me thing "Do I want to keep CM up and keep dealing with the bullshit?". When CM originally came back, it was for one reason. ALIENS VS MARINES, I admit we've grown, but there is SO MUCH more work now, and my staff constantly burn out to the point that I can barely keep up (we are spreading the load a bit more again, but since my coder is in a temporary leave there's noone else doing updates or fixes atm besides me). I can't keep giving into everything the players want, and letting them cause stressful situations like this. I'm just about done with it. So, unless we come up with a method to regulate marriages and bullshit, I'm going to keep leaning towards no. Because, in all honestly, shit like this burns me out faster than anything else.


Also, my staff are there to stop griefers and enforce rules, not deal with snowflakey bullshit. We don't have procedures or rules for that type of thing, because we were never intended to have that sort of thing. This is an "Action RP" server with a military theme, not a romance server.

This describes my thoughts perfectly. I'm not against "RP", but dont make Sims out of AvP. If RP in your meaning is a bunch incompetent special assheads, doing their special stuff to each other, well you have a bad taste, I must say. RP isnt about snowflakes its about proper react of your character. And its looking so hilarious when players transfer their characters' relations to the next round, while they were gut by a queen in previous round.

This, is what I want from CM RP. People roleplaying as marines, reacting to the situations, as the military would. That's the goal I had in mind, when I took over CM and we branched away. Military RP.

A) "It's only fun for those involved." Such is the way of pretty much everything, ever.
B) "It can cause complications." Also such is the way of pretty much everything. If an IC complication arises, deal with it like any complication. ICly.
C) "It's not allowed in the Military!" Pretty sure they wouldn't allow a mute greytider named "Illuminati" either, but that shit happens on this server too. Also, as of now, transgender people aren't allowed in the military. But you know what? I can go make a transgender character, put it on their medical records and even mention it a few times ICly... And you know what will happen? Probably nothing. Maybe a few of them say "DUDE WHAT A FAG!" or "Eh, that's cool I guess." Maybe one of them shoots me because of dumb marines, but eh, what're ya gonna do. Point is, it doesn't really matter.
D) "META-FRIENDING!" ... Oh, god, people forming friendships? THE HORROR! Just like any IC friendship, it comes with perks. Your friends are more likely to back you up and vouch for you. This is a reason to be a good person. Are we going to have a "NO FRIENDSHIPS!" rule to back this up?

A. This isn't a problem

B. IC Complications QUICKLY elevate to Ahelps and salt.

c. We don't allow mute greytiders. I ban them at a SILLY rate.

d. See my clarification for the difference between meta-friending and friending.

I think a good question is does this really matter? Like who cares THAT much about being married to another marine? This is absurd and blown way out of proportion.

Honestly it sounds like a good reason for marines to not obey their squad leaders, and like we really need another reason for that. Maybe develop a relationship if the round goes on IF IT FEELS ORGANIC. But you don't need a marriage to another marine. Vasquez and Drake had an implied romantic affiliation, play it off like that. If this goes through with less than a 2/3 majority then it's likely going to annoy half the community and make a minor difference for the other.

And as for meta friending I'm okay with people knowing each other before the events of the mission, just don't let it dominate your character.

This is ENTIRLY my point and stance. The issue, is that it's already started, that people have done questionable things (and broken marine law) because their spouse was insulted or a situation that started involving their spouse, and they used the justification of "they are my spouse".

We are going to determine WHAT needs to be done about this.

[apophis775]

See, if it doesn't really matter.. Then it should be allowed, because it would be absolutely STELLAR for those involved, while only being a SLIGHT ANNOYANCE to those who aren't.

A few extremely happy people vs a larger handful of people who get annoyed for like five seconds over a non-issue.

It's not a slight annoyance. A doctor getting jailed for an hour for defending himself against 2 married people is NOT a non-issue.

My question is, does the benefit of allowing the 6 or so people who are pretending to be married in a 2d speissman game keep doing so outweigh the annoyance of having to step in and deal with snowflake bullshit?

And I say snowflake, because these are MARINES. They went to basic training, got the same conditioning, and were held to the same standards before the mission, it makes no sense that suddenly, they'd have no issues ignoring the standard for the sake of their spouse.

There's a saying in the Army/Marines "If the (branch) wanted me to have a wife, they'd have issued me one".

[Adjective]

I'm all for allowing it, but I dislike when people go about breaking people out of jail and whatnot because of their meta-befriending.

[Gelonvia]

Yea, I didn't read any of that. TLDR.

I say no marriage. Too many complications. The rp gotten out of it isn't that good anyway, and is usually only enjoyable for the "married" people.

I would suggest reading up on the conversation,

If you have not read the opinions of others then your not aware of the issues at hand or presently involved in the conversation, basically your giving the equivalent of staring and just going -1 without giving any actual credible feedback.

[Gelonvia]

I'm all for allowing it, but I dislike when people go about breaking people out of jail and whatnot because of their meta-befriending.

Agreed there Vrai, that was something I discussed with Apop, the issue isn't marriage it's that people are linking arms and buddying up against others. In my view thats the equivalent of getting together to bully their own wishes and control the system, a good friend stops and tries to listen to the situation and then tells their friends the honest truth of what they are doing wrong, removing IC Rings won't change Friendships OOCly.

[apophis775]

No, but it will remove some of the motivation to defend specific players and use it as a reason.

To the point that, "he's my spouse" won't be a defense to the admins when the banhammer drops.

[Gelonvia]

It's not a slight annoyance. A doctor getting jailed for an hour for defending himself against 2 married people is NOT a non-issue.

My question is, does the benefit of allowing the 6 or so people who are pretending to be married in a 2d speissman game keep doing so outweigh the annoyance of having to step in and deal with snowflake bullshit?

And I say snowflake, because these are MARINES. They went to basic training, got the same conditioning, and were held to the same standards before the mission, it makes no sense that suddenly, they'd have no issues ignoring the standard for the sake of their spouse.

There's a saying in the Army/Marines "If the (branch) wanted me to have a wife, they'd have issued me one".

However the issue as stands is the Doctor was not defending himself, he intentionally tried to kill both the couples using CH over his window, and ICly he got handled for it and the doctors came and treated the couple while he was taken away. Saying the doctor was defending himself is stretching it.

And I totally agree, I believe there should be a sense a professionalism to stand-by, however thats requiring RP such as Marriage is, RP when you want less RP, however to go so far as to call some of your better players who not only Roleplay but are fantastic marines is a blunt disregard for their co-operation ingame and actual high standards they meet under staff wishes, to be straight up honest calling them snowflakes looks more like an attack against them more then anything for the sake of the arguement.

[Gelonvia]

No, but it will remove some of the motivation to defend specific players and use it as a reason.

To the point that, "he's my spouse" won't be a defense to the admins when the banhammer drops.

He's my spouse or she my spouse is never a defense, logically as it stands right now they are breaching a rule of poor RP at the least if its actually valid, he or she is my spouse should be viewed as a no-bs issue, just look over it cause banning Role Play is just silly, especially if your holding a server that is "Medium RP" where your asking Yautja's to RP but don't want RP from others, but hey aswell those who do RP are snowflakes.

:-I This entire controversy has multiple contradicting sides, especially sense its also said we want players to have fun while also lets nit-pick and tear up the bits of fun that others are having just because having a spouse MAY cause an issue.

[Veradox]

Wish you logged on Hypatia when I was, we could've been R&D buddies.

Anyway, though, marriage is the type of thing that really doesn't belong on CM if the first examples of it are going to end up becoming the trendsetting image that future instances can't break away from. There's been more 'dating' than 'marriages' to my knowledge, and they've been pretty alright in terms of permitting diverse role-play scenarios that permit a quiet in the storm of usual rounds and general camaraderie, or a short instance of argument to add flavor. So far? Haven't seen anything that critically hinders a round or has proven itself to be such a hassle that there's no point in humoring these instances of romantic affiliation.

Maybe this kind of stuff can be allowed openly, as it's just a game and I can't really take shit like that seriously anyway unless the situation demands acknowledgement for proper reference, but it can definitely have it's existence imply a need for self-control, and to not permit relations to interfere with gameplay outside of several strict key areas of:
- talking
- prioritization within reason
- roleplaying your affection through backstory

And to avoid:
- interfering with other user's rounds due to your relationship
- denying acknowledgement of certain users based on negative interaction with their romance
- utilizing provocative language and incessant aggression based on 'obligation', alongside any other acts surrounding such term

If these guidelines can't be met, there's really no point in permitting future negative interaction met with positive reinforcement based on results of playstyle and IC benefits. It just won't be fun for those excluded.

[Wickedtemp]

"We saw a few instances where ___ caused a problem, and some people might be annoyed by ____. Therefore we're going to ban ____ despite the fact that some people do actually enjoy ___."

Seriously. You guys saw ONE incident (that has been mentioned in this thread) that was handled ICly, the doctor got salty and ghosted after attempted murder and being arrested for that reason. From what I heard, Casca broke a window or something. Should they have done that? No, probably not, but who gives a damn?

I mean, shit, I see fights over the SMALLEST things on this server because people just WANT a reason to shoot each other in this game. Just handle this shit on a case by case basis, as if dealing with any other rule-breaking player. It's as simple as that.

[Gelonvia]

Wish you logged on Hypatia when I was, we could've been R&D buddies.

Anyway, though, marriage is the type of thing that really doesn't belong on CM if the first examples of it are going to end up becoming the trendsetting image that future instances can't break away from. There's been more 'dating' than 'marriages' to my knowledge, and they've been pretty alright in terms of permitting diverse role-play scenarios that permit a quiet in the storm of usual rounds and general camaraderie, or a short instance of argument to add flavor. So far? Haven't seen anything that critically hinders a round or has proven itself to be such a hassle that there's no point in humoring these instances of romantic affiliation.

Maybe this kind of stuff can be allowed openly, as it's just a game and I can't really take shit like that seriously anyway unless the situation demands acknowledgement for proper reference, but it can definitely have it's existence imply a need for self-control, and to not permit relations to interfere with gameplay outside of several strict key areas of:
- talking
- prioritization within reason
- roleplaying your affection through backstory

And to avoid:
- interfering with other user's rounds due to your relationship
- denying acknowledgement of certain users based on negative interaction with their romance
- utilizing provocative language and incessant aggression based on 'obligation', alongside any other acts surrounding such term

If these guidelines can't be met, there's really no point in permitting future negative interaction met with positive reinforcement based on results of playstyle and IC benefits. It just won't be fun for those excluded.

The difference being is your establishing a passive server of High RP where the main intrest is Drama at every massive level and trying to compare it with CM a place that is Action Viewed, Medium RP and has had IC Marriages sense Eden Alpha and no issues have happened. Sofar if you have that level of issues where people can't handle their RP right in relationships on Hyp but can here sense they have been here foooor nearly 1 year now? I think that says something.

The issue still as it stands isn't marriage, ban the actual problem which is Metafriending, don't lash out at the playerbase and ban Marriage, "Removing the Ring won't stop them from being friends."

So here's what I am putting down to make everyone think,

A: Why do you think Banning a Characters relationship would stop them from OOCly being friends?

[UnknownMurder]

And to support Veradox and Gelovina's point... I'm going to say this short.

Colonial Marines is all about Aliens v. Marines, not soap opera. Not Romeo and Juliet v. Families. We come to play Aliens vs. Marines. I am fine with you bein' buddies as long as you don't take it far like busting friend out of prison even though friend was in wrong. Like I said, Marines met each other for first time. Not, "Hey, I just met you. Let's get married and bear babies, we'll name him Kakarot." This is unreasonable otherwise sexist. And... We have military rules unalloyed soldiers to marry each other.

Again, Aliens V. Marines. You can be war buddies. Not marriage buddies.

[Edgelord]

I'm all for marriage in CM, but it can only be between two xenomorphs.

[Mac]

Honestly, the RP I have with the people on the Sulaco and sometimes on the surface is the reason I come to this server. It isn't the guns or the xenomorphs or the custom maps (although those are all awesome in their own right) but rather the players. There are quite a few people on this server my characters have friendships wth and I also have some rivals which my character despises but I enjoy still. SS13 isn't a game about pure action and so to allow a relationship to develop enhances the game for people. If we disallow marriages, we'd probably have to disallow any continuity of relationships whether they be at the friendship level or greater.

I'm not saying we need to be an ERP fest or even "The Sims" as someone described it, but it certainly makes the action-packed moments more intense when someone your character has a bond with is involved. I can tell you that my characters tend to go to great lengths to save others even at my own expense because of these relationships and it leads to some very fun and interesting situations.

This might not be realistic in current military standards, but lets not forget this takes place in the future and many of the customs of the USCM are not at all like the modern military. Times change and society evolves. Our military evolves alongside it, so why do the regulations not evolve?

Tl;dr: If it enhances RP, why not? RP is the best part of this server imo.

[Seehund]

The other parts, are good points, which I have been considering, so let me focus on what I quoted.

The thing is, there are only 3 MPs, and unless admins/mods start HELPING the MPs, because of how SS13 and Byond is in general, it's INCREDEBLY easy to just robust the shit out of an MP who's trying to do his job and then get to the planet (where the MPs aren't allowed) before anything happens. This happens SO FREQUENTLY IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY. And I see people who are married, just adding to that.

And yes, I understand this is a very sensitive subject, but consider my view on it. I'm slowly burning out, several of my staff already have. I don't want shit that is going to make MORE PROBLEMS. It's fine to try and "pretend" that this is something that only affects IC, but it's not. Here's the "gist" of what happened, which brought this to my attention:

Someone needed medical attention and surgery.
Their "wife" was trying to force themself into the surgery room, claiming they had "spousal rights".
They were denied, and there was an arguement.
The injured denied that they wanted treatment, and the arguement continued.
The spouse, upset, smashed up the medbay windows.
The Doctor, believing himself in danger, hit both of the people with chloral and called for MPs.
The MPs arrested the doctor for an hour.
Doctor got upset as he "comes to CM to fight aliens and play with marines, not for spousal bullshit bullying" and ghosted to join the aliens.

The doctor, was the CMO, and prior to the incident, he had been on the server, for about 4 minutes.


This is the shit I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING DEAL WITH. This is shit, that is NOT PART OF WHAT I WANT ON MY SERVER. This is the shit, that made me leave Hypatia (after 3 rounds of meta-friend bullying), and keeps me from the high-RP servers. The cliches, the meta-friending, all that shit. People who come here, come here because they want to fight aliens, not deal with the "Real Housewives of Colonial Marines". So, if we are going to keep marriages, then I'm going to bring down the hammer VERY HARD when people create situations like this. I don't get paid to run this server (to the contrary, I have to pay taxes on the donations we receive to keep the server going), nor do i get paid for the HOURS of coding, mapping, maintence, and monitoring I do. Not saying I want to get paid, but considering the stress, situations like this make me thing "Do I want to keep CM up and keep dealing with the bullshit?". When CM originally came back, it was for one reason. ALIENS VS MARINES, I admit we've grown, but there is SO MUCH more work now, and my staff constantly burn out to the point that I can barely keep up (we are spreading the load a bit more again, but since my coder is in a temporary leave there's noone else doing updates or fixes atm besides me). I can't keep giving into everything the players want, and letting them cause stressful situations like this. I'm just about done with it. So, unless we come up with a method to regulate marriages and bullshit, I'm going to keep leaning towards no. Because, in all honestly, shit like this burns me out faster than anything else.


Also, my staff are there to stop griefers and enforce rules, not deal with snowflakey bullshit. We don't have procedures or rules for that type of thing, because we were never intended to have that sort of thing. This is an "Action RP" server with a military theme, not a romance server.

Good points, all of them.
Now, let me preface that I agree that this.. celibacy status should have about as much IC effect as the ranks page you put on the wiki.

Therefore, no, this would not be an excuse for anything, IC or OOC. This is a VERY sensitive topic, apparently, so this sort of shit - breaking your spouse out just because - should not only not fly, it should also not reach the fucking runway or leave the hangar, or exist at all.

Honestly, I agree with all of your points.

Let me just point out that my remark about Moderators and Admins was badly worded, and I apologize for that.
What I meant is that they should deal with these rule-breaking cases, should a rule be passed regulating marriage, on a one-by-one basis, without lining up everybody involved and firing blindly.
I am NOT suggesting they should treat any player in a special manner because of this.

[Lostmixup]

The problem also is that it distracts players from the game. The main RP of colonial marines is RP derived from the combat situations marines are thrown into, not of marines being married, or of marines doing anything else. You come to this server to have fun shooting things, and maybe RP a little bit, not to marry someone and have a loving relationship in the sulaco bridge. Simply put, it doesn't fit with the server at all.

We aren't actual marines, we don't have the training to take orders without considering our own personal interest, or to properly know the horrors of war. That doesn't mean that we should make the server a fantasy land where cringe worthy relationships can take place while everyone is getting slaughtered by a near perfect alien race.

Also gel, I didn't read all of his post because it's pretty clear which side he's on from the first couple sentences.

[Gelonvia]

And to support Veradox and Gelovina's point... I'm going to say this short.

Colonial Marines is all about Aliens v. Marines, not soap opera. Not Romeo and Juliet v. Families. We come to play Aliens vs. Marines. I am fine with you bein' buddies as long as you don't take it far like busting friend out of prison even though friend was in wrong. Like I said, Marines met each other for first time. Not, "Hey, I just met you. Let's get married and bear babies, we'll name him Kakarot." This is unreasonable otherwise sexist. And... We have military rules unalloyed soldiers to marry each other.

Again, Aliens V. Marines. You can be war buddies. Not marriage buddies.

The nice part is, there has not sofar been a single sense of that Romeo and Juliet making Kakarot baby stuff, as someone who has a married character I entirely support and frankly I love the idea of making it against SoP for married couples to be in the same Squad, it's sensible while not going overboard, RL you wouldn't have them in the same Battalion (Apop has informed me the Sulaco in whole is a Battalion) which is cool, but aswell this is a video game where people come to have fun so this all requires tweaking and some leniency, so saying "Against the Laws to not be in the same Squad" makes much more sense and does much more justice for a playerbase who handles their RP Marriages maturely and has not done anything wrong sofar is fitting.

But making it be a Bannable Offense to be Married ICly? Thats taking it to far, to then blame Marriage on Metafriending is an Over-exaggeration and entirely misguided.

If you want to stop Meta-Friending then actually tackle the problem, don't bust balls and blame Marriage, even if you do Ban Marriage you won't see any results of lack of meta-friending afterwords, the only way to reduce it is by looking at the the problem which is groups of good friends or old friends ICly who get together in cliques and bash on people they don't like without giving the person a proper chance or making sure its deserving and true what they believe against said person.

[Veradox]

Friendship is definitely not a banned interaction, it's the fact that certain users if paired with certain users would provide an unfun environment to play the videogame in based on obligation and exceptions, alongside the implied exclusion of users not involved in the scenario. I'm a pretty patient person, but when someone actively tries to twist and turn to mold something to fit their situation, it's also an example of unfun.

I've proposed for limitations to be set on couples because I'm going to openly admit I don't like what I can foresee in terms of romanticism on a 2D videogame about shooting aliens. You're welcome to maintain friendship OOCly, it's just that there are going to be cases where these relations inhibit others directly or inadvertently without a differentiation on severity due to the limited and yet somehow prevalent scenarios that occur when users are granted unrestricted freedoms when presented in an unrealistic environment, aka, a game. There will be cases of abuse, harassment and borderline irritating conduct that can't be accepted if not everyone is willing to donate their time to acknowledge and respect necessary guidelines to prevent such from occurring.

Nobody is being targeted, and nobody will be. There's no sandbagging in this discussion and there's nobody being singled out because of their decisions, it's a topic brought up because of an incident that is mandatory to be addressed due to the probability of my negative aforementioned statements and those before me. I've spent a long time on HRP, and I won't say marriages were all that bad, it's just what can come out of it if left unchecked. Roleplay is great, it's just not too great.

[Gelonvia]

The problem also is that it distracts players from the game. The main RP of colonial marines is RP derived from the combat situations marines are thrown into, not of marines being married, or of marines doing anything else. You come to this server to have fun shooting things, and maybe RP a little bit, not to marry someone and have a loving relationship in the sulaco bridge. Simply put, it doesn't fit with the server at all.

We aren't actual marines, we don't have the training to take orders without considering our own personal interest, or to properly know the horrors of war. That doesn't mean that we should make the server a fantasy land where cringe worthy relationships can take place while everyone is getting slaughtered by a near perfect alien race.

Also gel, I didn't read all of his post because it's pretty clear which side he's on from the first couple sentences.

So your neglecting to read their posts because they have an opinion? So is my side not valuable aswell cause I have a different opinion from yours?

And you can say, "it distracts the playerbase." but again this has gone sense Eden Alpha, it has not distracted the playerbase once, once again this is an over-exaggeration, it seems also like an attempt at this moment to grip at anything that may be able to support your side to use instead of actually clearly looking at the center roots.

Personal opinion, do correct me if I am wrong, that's just what it looks like from the way you are putting it.

[Gelonvia]

Friendship is definitely not a banned interaction, it's the fact that certain users if paired with certain users would provide an unfun environment to play the videogame in based on obligation and exceptions, alongside the implied exclusion of users not involved in the scenario. I'm a pretty patient person, but when someone actively tries to twist and turn to mold something to fit their situation, it's also an example of unfun.

I've proposed for limitations to be set on couples because I'm going to openly admit I don't like what I can foresee in terms of romanticism on a 2D videogame about shooting aliens. You're welcome to maintain friendship OOCly, it's just that there are going to be cases where these relations inhibit others directly or inadvertently without a differentiation on severity due to the limited and yet somehow prevalent scenarios that occur when users are granted unrestricted freedoms when presented in an unrealistic environment, aka, a game. There will be cases of abuse, harassment and borderline irritating conduct that can't be accepted if not everyone is willing to donate their time to acknowledge and respect necessary guidelines to prevent such from occurring.

Nobody is being targeted, and nobody will be. There's no sandbagging in this discussion and there's nobody being singled out because of their decisions, it's a topic brought up because of an incident that is mandatory to be addressed due to the probability of my negative aforementioned statements and those before me. I've spent a long time on HRP, and I won't say marriages were all that bad, it's just what can come out of it if left unchecked. Roleplay is great, it's just not too great.

Once again, your trying to say it like others are not having fun, if you have not noticed all the fun people are having through RP then you have not been around long enough or interracted to know what's going on. Don't speak for the playerbase we are having fun from the marriages, let the playerbase speak for themselves.

Now if you don't like what you "Forsee" that's another thing entirely, that's jumping to conclusions making judgement calls on stuff that have not even happened yet, which is the equivalent of punishment for a crime that never happened.

And you make a point, it can get bad if left uncheck, but aswell it is entirely unchecked, noone has observed the RP Marriages, and heres my proof.

In a large incident where there was a Riot cause of a specialist getting brigged for commiting a crime, several people came to the brig yelling as Ash White to release them and demanding they be released for deployment. Xur tried placing C4 on the brig door to break them out, he got taken down and tased by security along with the majority of his squad and a couple other squaddies who came to help, now it ended with Xur, Mike, and the first guy all in Brig, Xur started beating on the glass while Casca was talking with Ashe White, if you are actually aware of what is going on and what the marriages are like then you will know what happened next.

What exactly did Casca say and do after Xur hit that window? (This was large enough that alot of you should know.)

I will give thirty minutes till the answer is provided.

[Lostmixup]

So your neglecting to read their posts because they have an opinion? So is my side not valuable aswell cause I have a different opinion from yours?

And you can say, "it distracts the playerbase." but again this has gone sense Eden Alpha, it has not distracted the playerbase once, once again this is an over-exaggeration, it seems also like an attempt at this moment to grip at anything that may be able to support your side to use instead of actually clearly looking at the center roots.

Personal opinion, do correct me if I am wrong, that's just what it looks like from the way you are putting it.

I say at all that I didn't read it because he had an opinion, I didn't read it because it was too damn long. I appreciate him telling me that it was too damn long as well. I simply understood his stance after the first few sentences.

It has been going on for a while, and every single time I see a married couple they're doing something stupid, or doing their own thing ignoring orders and other people around them.