I deleted the I'm Disappointed Thread

[apophis775]

Because I'm tired of the fucking drama and that's what it turned into.

EVERY DAY I look at my phone, or slack, or the forums and there's MORE DRAMA. I try to give people as much of a voice as they can, and don't try to stifle players opinions or voices but I'm done.

I'm tired of letting people shit all over us, it's not productive. You make posts or talk like this on ANY other server, and you'd get shit all over and banned. So, I'm going to take a page out of bay/tg/goons handbook and for now, do EXACTLY THAT.

For now, if you make a drama thread (NOTE: Drama is NOT the same as criticism, so long as your not being a giant cuntbucket). Create a respectful criticism thread, and we'll happily talk with you. But don't let it turn into a drama shitshow.


Congratulations, you've worn down my CONSIDERABLE patience and turned me into a fascist dictator (at least for the next few weeks).

[Xurphorus]

Apop, really? People were getting out their feelings, letting it stay locked up inside is only going to cause more lash later. I dont speak for everyone, but when things like this is done it only plauses for more salt in the end. I know youre tired of it, Hell Im tired of it too. Its your baby, and you dont want to see it turn out this way but its already grown into this. I respect you Apop but things like this need to blow over in time and not be forced.

[stolzdude]

GOOD!

[apophis775]

I understand the need to "vent", but it's been fucking 2 months of near constant drama. I only have SO MUCH TOLERANCE.

It's either:

1. We stop the fucking drama for now
2. I shut down CM for a few weeks

Because honestly, this shit is killing me. I used to love logging onto CM to see how everytihng was going, check to see what updates needed to be done and program a bit. Now, I DREAD even going to the forums because of the massive shitstorm of negativity and drama.

No offense, but the major source of this shit, is a fair amount of current/former Sanctum/Banter members. They are almost CONSTANTLY the people that do things like PM me over Byond, Flip their shit in the forums, or try to drag the server down in the mud, and I'm tired of it.

I know it's upsetting that most of banter/sanctum don't have a direct line to a headstaff at all times anymore, but that's the way it is. All the bitching, drama, salt, and flipping out in the world isn't going to turn the server back to how it was. SAS left and resigned of his own will because he was worn out by the stress/complaints/issues that were brought to him from him trying to deal with stopping this stuff from happening. His methods, were to try and talk to people and work through it, which was the example I was trying to set. But people don't fucking want to talk or discuss like adults. They want to just diarrhea dump all over the place. Sanctum, in only a few weeks, went from being one of the best groups of players on the server, to having some of the most toxic and cancerous. Which is why Skinner was so disappointed with what it became, since it's warped and destroyed what his original vision was.

Here's my suggestion for now:

JUST PLAY THE FUCKING GAME.

Don't always expect devs or staff to tell you about everything we update or change. Have some faith that we are going to do what's best for the server. I mean, if what we were doing wasn't in the bests interests, we wouldn't be coming up on 2 years of CM total, and over 1 year of us independent. Just me, myself, I have over 10 years experience as a developer/programmer, and if we combined everyone's experiences together we'd have probably around 50-70 years of experience easy.

[Monoo]

I think Apop has a right to shut some of that down for a while, honestly. The drama has brought out the worst in all of us, so taking some time away from the salt mine threads and instead focusing on positive discussion will be beneficial for the server's health. From what I've seen, Apop and Co. has still been very open and devoted to listening to us, as long as we play nice.

TL;DR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrMaAlcfGks

[Tristan63]

Did somebody say fascist government?

Heil Reich's Fuhrer Apop

[apophis775]

Did somebody say fascist government?

Heil Reich's Fuhrer Apop

Coincidentally, I was told by many people to "drop the fascism hammer", so despite the fact that it goes a bit against how I feel a community should be run, I feel it necessary to do so for the moment.

But don't get me confused with Octagon and his "4th reich" from way back...

[an confused rock]

isn't it kind of causing drama to even mention you deleted it?

[ShortTemperedLeprechaun]

Like monoo said, we've more or less devolved into viewing the bad, and ignoring the good. We need to get away from the salt mines for a bit, honestly. Though, it is amazing how crono's more or less innocent statement, on how they were upset on how the community has devolved, ironically, devolved.

[apophis775]

isn't it kind of causing drama to even mention you deleted it?

Even thought we are going to be harder, I still want to be as transparent and open as possible.

[RoswellRay]

Even thought we are going to be harder, I still want to be as transparent and open as possible.

>transparent
Apop confirmed to be spooky ghost, I for one am dissapointed in him hiding this fact from us for so long.

[spheretech]

I was here 2-3 months ago when kind of started and I can tell you that I am sick of this forum drama, and that for once apop is right in saying "just play the game", because only when you CAN'T play the game do you realise how much it actually meant to you.

[Boltersam]

I wouldn't be against closing CM for a few weeks, give people time to settle down, it'll definitely lower the salt. From experience, the longer amount of time after a salty/anger inducing incident, the easier it is to laugh at it, or at least look at it with a clearer perspective.

[crono23]

Much as I don't want to start anything again, this is kind of what I meant by my final post in that thread (assuming anyone other than West saw it). Whether we intend to or not, we keep trying to shut down "drama" in the hopes it'll put out the fire, but then a few weeks later, somebody finds a way to start something new. Even if you shut down the server and/or forums for a week, month, maybe a year even, someone is eventually going to blow their top.

Which is why I want us to try and stop, as best we can, the things we hate, yet still participate in. There won't be an end to the "drama" at all, but we can at least lessen it if we work as a community to address the problem, deal with it, and move on like civil people.

And Apop, I could kind of tell as soon as you made this thread that something would happen. Thus, I would recommend maybe locking this thread before it gets out of hand again? Your call though.

[ExGame]

And to zhis day I wondet how the drama flood happened. It wasn't there half or a year ago.

[Xurphorus]

Thats the thing that I personally dont like, Banter/Sanctum being lumped together because of a single players rant, Ok I understand Sham made a post, then Jim made a post, but really who are the other people who are affiliated with the group that has made a post? I have yet to make a rant about anything and Im like the fucking leader of that said group. You dont see me lumping staff together as shitlers for a single staff member being a shitler. We tried keeping the heat down when SaS was headmin because we would only report to him if the server is going to total shit like hacking attempts, super lag, rule breaking, and so on and so forth. I could care less about not having a direct line to staff. Why do you guys keep blaming your own fuck ups on us? Artorius who wasnt even a member of Banter/Sanctum made a post right after sham did, and that turned into something even more saltier. Most of the time we keep our issues to ourselves unless we really have something to get off our chest. I have alot to get off my chest but I aint the type to cause a forum fire. Apop you are the host of this server, what you say and do is the final nail in any situation, I wont disrespect you cause you have done more than anyone could for this server, but blaming the drama situation on Banter is not cool. Hell this whole thing REALLY started when Abby wanted to be a shit. I liked abby but not her attitude, or how she went about things as a member of staff, I respect Feweh, but I dont like how he handles situation because of his attitude, TR Dragon is Ok, I cant really say much about his conduct, as for the rest of staff, each and everyone of you can conduct yourselves better, Im not saying you havent if you werent, but if you feel as if you need improvement go for it. I respect most of you, that wont change, but I wont respect most of the actions taken that cause too much backlash, you brought it on yourselves.


This goes out to this Playerbase:


Most of you know me, some of you like me, some of you dont, but this goes out to everyone, We're letting our emotions get the better of us, I can tell alot of you are probably children, and just want to be apart of something, but this forum war has gone on long enough, everyone is tired of the drama, myself included. I know it sounds hypocritical coming from me, but hear me out. We love CM, We Dont Want To See It Collapse. Lets stop attacking staff members and just chill the fuck out. People are being pushed towards their mental edges because we keep salting, lets try and approach situations more calmly, discuss these things, and then see what staff will do, if they approach us with a volatile manner, then you just sit back and keep the poker face, Higher Ups will see this conduct and handle it, and If they dont, then we know what we're dealing with and we know that there is nothing we can do about it. Keep the peace people, just end this salty beef.

[Gentlemanly_headcrab]

With everything going on recently this is in my personal opinion but take the server down for a week, let people cool down and reset a bit, I personally took a week off from CM not too long ago to think it over and let myself cool down from the endless stream of testosterone filled madness that these marines bring after some... not very nice words were said to someone and I felt like a break was really in order. Even going to the side to create a new character that I'm enjoying to play now. If you ARE going to shut down for a week, which based on the hate and general problems that keep coming back it may be best. Let the staff take a break for a week from endless streams of hate it seems like, let the player base sooth its salt train down a bit and actually wait for CM to come back and when it does, maybe people'll be more mellowed out.

Just my opinion on it all, keep the peace, and keep it coolio.

[WorstInTheLooby]

Why take down the server when you could temporarily lock certain parts of the forum.

I mostly mean suggestions because it adds to work for some staff, it also propagates and generates bad attitudes (aka salt). I guess some other sections probably aren't the best either but the biggest problem are those that affect the staff, the playerbase is treated to a decent standard though and really has nothing serious to convey right now.

Unless you really enjoy a masochistic attitude for 'the sake of the server'.

But it is kinda obvious some things drive staff insane, and regardless of whether taking a hit 'for the community' actually helps it or not in the short-term it's apparent that this will lead to a negative outcome long-term with the way it drives people up the wall.

First post cause i'm Firsty for some water, i apologize.

[Ocnjak20]

Even thought we are going to be harder, I still want to be as transparent and open as possible.

Apop nobody blames you for stuff, you are the host and you cant really oversee everything as you are also part of the dev team I assume. What you require is stable staff that wont make drama and can react in normal way and can take criticism. It has escalated because Feweh has started to make things personal, and has felt like he was getting harrassed in person but truth to be told, from the conversations I have heard your Head Admin is not so active and Feweh rarely communicates with community.

I am not certain on why or how you can allow that to happen, but if I were you leave the devs as they are and change the server managment team completely from scratch even if it means to shut the server down for a week or so. You do not need people that will suck up to you or be in someones butthole if it means for them to get promotion. What you need are dedicated and self aware people in staff which will express their honest opinions and do their work without problems with communicating with the community and other staff members.

You've probably seen my post over there and if you want CM to continue to exist something has to be done. Either make them activate more in community, or simply take their mantle away and give it to someone who is hard working and dedicated to community. Someone who is active, knows community and enjoys their company.

That would be all, thanks for your patience and your time that you will probably take to read this.

[Steelpoint]

You probley should not take a page off of /TG/s book since we not only have a entire sub forum dedicated to drama and similar but we also host s anonymous image board called singulo.

[Grypho]

I wouldn't be against closing CM for a few weeks, give people time to settle down, it'll definitely lower the salt. From experience, the longer amount of time after a salty/anger inducing incident, the easier it is to laugh at it, or at least look at it with a clearer perspective.

Almost exactly what I said in the previous massive salt thread. "If Apophis would shut down the server for a few weeks people would start to regret this whole thread and drama". It´s more like people getting used to the good services the server offers and then not being satisfied and demanding even more... well they will never be satisfied. And I mean a specific portion of people.

[NoShamNoWow]

Yea just close the server down a few weeks, I already barely play as it is so I wouldn't mind it as much.
Though then again, that wont do much since people will continue to be salty afterwards.
Its just gonna be a never ending cycle for player generations to come. Salt is gonna be salt, changes are gonna be changes. We cant do anything in the end anyways.

[Ocnjak20]

By those things which you guys have just written, the server shut down would not help as people would keep on getting salty. Problem is not in the community, I agree there are people that deserve to be banned, but the root of the problem is deeper like stated previously.

[Steelpoint]

I find it ironic but on /tg/ if we banned people for criticizing the coders then the server would have died years ago. If you think the criticism you see on this forum is bad then you don't know what your missing out on the /tg/ forums, everyone there has taken it to a art form at times.

Of course the developers here are in a widely different situation to the coders on /tg/ station. On /tg/ its a open source project, even the most vitriol of detractors are just as often coding and making minor changes to the game, whereas here its a closed source development team.

If someone is satisfied with the game they won't speak up, only people with a bone to pick will go out of their way to raise their concerns. You may have 90 people playing the game that are overall satisfied with the game, yet 10 people who really dislike something who speak out a lot, yet 10 people speaking can seem like 100.

Closing the server won't do anything in the long run, the best solution in my opinion is to just stick to your overall design plan and to your guns. Take feedback and act professionally but don't take anything personal.

The moment you go nuts, the moment you descend to anyone else's level is the moment you've lost.

Just have fun. Or at least just don't take the vitriol seriously.

[coolsurf6]

I'm scared. I dont want the server go down... Please guys just stop. And apop this is directed to you. Ban the people who cause this drama to happen. Or they will be the ones who ruin this community forever.