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The difference...

Post by CaptainBritton02 » 18 Aug 2015, 10:06

I didn't really know whether to put this in general discussion or acid goop, but anyways.

This is a clip: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... M1-SKS.JPG

This is a magazine: http://cartter.net/pictures/Clips/556Magazine.jpg

Huge difference.

Now, I've seen tons of people call magazines clips. The problem being, unless you're firing a Lee Enfield or M1 Garand, it's a magazine. Clips were invented as the predecessor to magazines. Clips were a quick and easy way to reload rifles and other weapons that had an internal magazine. They were widely used during the World Wars and into Korea, and in the case of the Springfield 1903, Vietnam.

Magazines, on the other hand, were invented after World War 1 when sub-machine guns that could not be clip-fed entered service. They gained more popularity during and after World War 2, and with the invention of the Kalishnikov series of firearms. By Vietnam virtually all small arms were magazine-fed or belt-fed, and in the modern world, they are still in use.

Which brings me to my point. The M41A, M39, M4A3, and the M24C use magazines. If not for the actual difference, please just call them magazines for my weird firearm obsession side.

EDIT: Also the Smartgun and Grenade Launcher use boxes. Sorta like a bigger magazine.
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Post by Biolock » 18 Aug 2015, 10:08

People call magazines "clips" in the actual military as well. It might not be accurate to the manual description, but there are plenty of those inconsistencies both in real life and in this game.
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Post by TopHatPenguin » 18 Aug 2015, 10:08

To be honest it doesn't matter much as long as people know what you mean, i'm personally fine with it but hey that's how i see it.
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Post by CaptainBritton02 » 18 Aug 2015, 10:10

Biolock wrote:People call magazines "clips" in the actual military as well. It might not be accurate to the manual description, but there are plenty of those inconsistencies both in real life and in this game.
They don't. Calling magazines, "clips" is factually incorrect, and I've seen and heard about people in training get chewed out for it.
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Post by Biolock » 18 Aug 2015, 10:11

Once you're out of BCT, unless you go to Ranger School or another combat oriented AIT, people could not give half a fuck what you call them.
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Post by CaptainBritton02 » 18 Aug 2015, 10:12

Biolock wrote:Once you're out of BCT, unless you go to Ranger School or another combat oriented AIT, people could not give half a fuck what you call them.
While true, the point I'm trying to get out is that there is a difference of clips and magazines.
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Post by Biolock » 18 Aug 2015, 10:14

I suppose it's good to get the information out there for all the people who didn't actually know that. Thank you for your PSA xD
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Post by Mycroft Macarthur » 18 Aug 2015, 13:10

im sorry, you seem to be in the wrong military organization, i've found one you would be much better suited for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

yes, technically there IS a difference between clips and magazines, but they both basically refer to the same thing, a unit of ammunition intended for the purpose of reloading your firearm, alot of people who make a big whiney ass deal about how people dont act properly in SS13 seem to forget one simple thing.

WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY FUCKING MARINES

the vast majority of our playerbase has not even hit puberty, the remaining still have not and likely will never even SEE a firearm let alone being a member of an actual military organization or mercenary outfit, even then the differences between such organizations are a wide and VAST gulf (go try to places where they discuss these sorts of things and compare U.S. rangers to British SAS or Russian Spetznaz and see how far you get before they try to crucify you)

i mean no offense, but what are you doing fighting aliens in the far reaches of uncharted space if you are so disturbed by the fact people dont use the exact proper grammatical structure and technical terminology that it renders you incapable of doing your job, who cares if they're clips or if they're magazines? they're fucking BULLETS and their job is to go into the enemies of the united states, do you seriously expect me to believe you are going to stop your squad from engaging the enemy or stopping to reload because you absolutely HAVE to pause combat to inform us of the RIGHT terminology for all our equipment?

thats exactly the kind of thing that leads to getting shot in the back and then blaming it on the aliens, if you are being shit to your squad i GUARANTEE they wont care, you think anyone will know? have you EVER seen an autopsy performed in this game on a marine who was suspected of being murdered? i did once on an MP who was killed at round start when there was no one in need of treatment, and i got BITCHED OUT for it, and quite frankly that was probably the right thing to do because this is a game and we have better, more important things to do with our time then try to find answers to questions NO ONE IS ASKING.

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Post by CaptainBritton02 » 18 Aug 2015, 15:16

Mycroft Macarthur wrote:im sorry, you seem to be in the wrong military organization, i've found one you would be much better suited for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

yes, technically there IS a difference between clips and magazines, but they both basically refer to the same thing, a unit of ammunition intended for the purpose of reloading your firearm, alot of people who make a big whiney ass deal about how people dont act properly in SS13 seem to forget one simple thing.

WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY FUCKING MARINES

the vast majority of our playerbase has not even hit puberty, the remaining still have not and likely will never even SEE a firearm let alone being a member of an actual military organization or mercenary outfit, even then the differences between such organizations are a wide and VAST gulf (go try to places where they discuss these sorts of things and compare U.S. rangers to British SAS or Russian Spetznaz and see how far you get before they try to crucify you)

i mean no offense, but what are you doing fighting aliens in the far reaches of uncharted space if you are so disturbed by the fact people dont use the exact proper grammatical structure and technical terminology that it renders you incapable of doing your job, who cares if they're clips or if they're magazines? they're fucking BULLETS and their job is to go into the enemies of the united states, do you seriously expect me to believe you are going to stop your squad from engaging the enemy or stopping to reload because you absolutely HAVE to pause combat to inform us of the RIGHT terminology for all our equipment?

thats exactly the kind of thing that leads to getting shot in the back and then blaming it on the aliens, if you are being shit to your squad i GUARANTEE they wont care, you think anyone will know? have you EVER seen an autopsy performed in this game on a marine who was suspected of being murdered? i did once on an MP who was killed at round start when there was no one in need of treatment, and i got BITCHED OUT for it, and quite frankly that was probably the right thing to do because this is a game and we have better, more important things to do with our time then try to find answers to questions NO ONE IS ASKING.
Jesus Christ, I was only explaining the difference. I'm not gonna fucking execute anyone who says clip ever again, nor will I stop them. Go get hostile some other fucking place.
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Post by apophis775 » 18 Aug 2015, 15:25

Good thing this is in Acid group.

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Re: The difference...

Post by Sebro » 18 Aug 2015, 15:35

Huh, if I ever start playing arma I'll put this in consideration, other than that, I don't think I'll ever in real life own a gun larger than a sidearm. And yes, it does get annoying when people screw this up, as naturally it can get people mad. But why post this here? This at most should be something you say in-game. Not a whole post, as for why people are mad at this..... well, as long as it's informative I'm fine.


And also, wouldn't magazines just be a more refined form of clip? Albeit much longer, and more held together?
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Post by CaptainBritton02 » 18 Aug 2015, 16:32

Sebro wrote:Huh, if I ever start playing arma I'll put this in consideration, other than that, I don't think I'll ever in real life own a gun larger than a sidearm. And yes, it does get annoying when people screw this up, as naturally it can get people mad. But why post this here? This at most should be something you say in-game. Not a whole post, as for why people are mad at this..... well, as long as it's informative I'm fine.


And also, wouldn't magazines just be a more refined form of clip? Albeit much longer, and more held together?
Magazines and clips are very alike and they have less differences then other things. The only real difference is the appearance and use. Generally magazines are closed off, fully encasing the cartridges(bullets) and are less disposable. Clips are open and generally are only small pieces of metal holding bullets in place to be quickly loaded, then the metal clips are discarded.
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