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Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 08:13

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Marine Name (so we know who you are, if you play alien mostly, state that here): Jesse Cooper (Used to be Jesse Pinkman)

Name of the character you want whitelisted (The name your predator will use. This must match your in-game predator name): Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Are you familiar with the Predator Code Of Honor?

Yes, I have read the Code of Honor, a couple of times.

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Why should we whitelist you?
I have been roleplaying for a very long time, in games such as DnD, Garry's Mod (HL2RP), ArmA 3, UO Private servers, and WoW, to name a few. The times that I do play Xeno, I tend to follow a similar moral/honor code as my Predator. I wish to balance out rounds where xenos or marines would be clearly dominant, and be that one variable that changes the outcome of the game. I'll continue to show and strive to be an example of a great Predator that everyone wants to roleplay with. In general, I have a lot of roleplaying experience and I believe that I can add a lot of uniqueness and fun to the round by being a factor considered on the xeno and marine side.

I used to be fairly well-known on the server, back on the Nostromo days, and I play to recontinue that and show my support towards the server. I've always had an interest in Predators, and their lore, particularly when watching the Alien v. Predator movies and so on.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)?

No, I have never been banned.

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why? N/A

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or disobey the Predator Code of Honor?

Yes, I understand that I must uphold the Predator Code of Honor and my whitelist can be removed regardless of who I am and what rank I hold.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Casany » 15 Dec 2016, 08:27

Ehhhh, the stories good to say the least, but the playstyle is rather bland from my experience. I like the idea of focusing on your cloak but I think that can lead to many situations where you break the honor code accidentally. Neutral
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 08:34

Casany wrote:Ehhhh, the stories good to say the least, but the playstyle is rather bland from my experience. I like the idea of focusing on your cloak but I think that can lead to many situations where you break the honor code accidentally. Neutral

Thank you for the feedback, I do appreciate it. Setg'in would never fight a fight/duel while cloaked though, because of that very reason.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Biolock » 15 Dec 2016, 09:54

You didn't request to join my clan... you jerk ;_;

I'll review your app when I'm off work though.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 11:35

Biolock wrote:You didn't request to join my clan... you jerk ;_;

I'll review your app when I'm off work though.
I would of joined, sorry Bio, forgot to request to join a clan. It slipped my mind! ;_;

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Scrat505 » 15 Dec 2016, 14:50

The story's good but the playstyle is pretty typical.

Most of all however, you just submitted a staff app.

Going to have to sit on -1.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 15:24

Scrat505 wrote:The story's good but the playstyle is pretty typical.

Most of all however, you just submitted a staff app.

Going to have to sit on -1.

That seems pretty harsh, the staff application was four days ago, and I do admit that I need to wait some time for Staff, as I just relearning all of the rules and times for ban, but this is purely based off roleplaying ability and ability to uphold the Code of Honor, etc... Curious, just because I submitted a staff application, four days ago, that swayed you enough to give me a -1?

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by LordeKilly » 15 Dec 2016, 18:13

A few problems for me. Your main characteristic is defined by the cloaking device, and how your predator revolutionized it, and uses it to its fullest possible potential.

Then you state you only use the cloak for disengaging and movement.

Seems conflicted, yeah?

Furthermore, sitting in a cloak for hours meditating isn't very possible, the cloak's source of energy would eventually burn out. Same with water resistant cloaks, wouldn't work.

-1. There isn't much special about the application, mediocre at most in my opinion. Defining features and a strong backstory paired, as well as having a household name on the server really do help your application.

EDIT: By disengaging and movement, I mean for general movement around the map. And disengaging as in, well, disengaging.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 18:56

LordeKilly wrote:A few problems for me. Your main characteristic is defined by the cloaking device, and how your predator revolutionized it, and uses it to its fullest possible potential.

Then you state you only use the cloak for disengaging and movement.

Seems conflicted, yeah?

Furthermore, sitting in a cloak for hours meditating isn't very possible, the cloak's source of energy would eventually burn out. Same with water resistant cloaks, wouldn't work.

-1. There isn't much special about the application, mediocre at most in my opinion. Defining features and a strong backstory paired, as well as having a household name on the server really do help your application.
Ford revolutionized the car but, it was only used for driving, I don't see how they were conflicting. Also, you criticize that the cloak's source of energy would burn out, who is to say that the battery isn't extended, also where is a definite battery length on cloaking devices? How would a water-resistant cloaking device not work? I feel like my application is getting shit on while I do agree it isn't the best, I think it is getting a lot of harsh criticism. A household name on the server, I was around when you were still staff, while I also was, so my name is getting rebuilt around all of these newer members.

EDIT: A cloaking device is mean't for disengaging and movement, despite my character adoring the device. It would break the honor code if I killed with it on.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by LordeKilly » 15 Dec 2016, 19:05

Tranquill wrote:Ford revolutionized the car but, it was only used for driving, I don't see how they were conflicting. Also, you criticize that the cloak's source of energy would burn out, who is to say that the battery isn't extended, also where is a definite battery length on cloaking devices? How would a water-resistant cloaking device not work? I feel like my application is getting shit on while I do agree it isn't the best, I think it is getting a lot of harsh criticism. A household name on the server, I was around when you were still staff, while I also was, so my name is getting rebuilt around all of these newer members.
I understand where you're coming from. You have to understand all applications are heavily criticized (atleast I do, some do not) but the position is a VERY delicate one, and it's a very powerful position to hold.

As for this, "Ford revolutionized the car but, it was only used for driving, I don't see how they were conflicting"

What I meant towards this, was that the selling point of your predator was that his favorite doo-hickey was the cloaking device, how he used it creatively and such. You backed yourself into a writing hole there, it's a very closed hallway that you've stepped into. The cloaking device in-game isn't very spectacular and able to create roleplay, or develop your character. All hunters have equal cloaks, all them have a definite power source (as for balance.) Because of that fact your major quality revolves around this, and the technology advancement of the cloak, you're trapped ICly. As a predator, we can't modify our gear, we can't have indefinite cloaking power, and the cloak WILL shut off if you move into the water (as per predator 1, the movie) So your waterproof cloak is basically obsolete and your character is now a generic hunter with a claw and a limited cloak.

I do remember you, and I have nothing but fond memories. I really want people to succeed in this position, and I feel if you had more information regarding both tools and limitations of predators game play-wise, you could've definitely formed this into a good, complete story that allows for character development, and adds to roleplay. If this is denied, and you want to reapply, contact me, or any of the whitelisted players. We're here, but no one ever asks us for advice, or information. You can use any tool available to you.

This is my process behind my judgement for the application, but please, if you reapply, and for anyone looking to reapply that is lacking information or just needs help in general, you can contact me, or anyone else.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 19:11

LordeKilly wrote:I understand where you're coming from. You have to understand all applications are heavily criticized (atleast I do, some do not) but the position is a VERY delicate one, and it's a very powerful position to hold.

As for this, "Ford revolutionized the car but, it was only used for driving, I don't see how they were conflicting"

What I meant towards this, was that the selling point of your predator was that his favorite doo-hickey was the cloaking device, how he used it creatively and such. You backed yourself into a writing hole there, it's a very closed hallway that you've stepped into. The cloaking device in-game isn't very spectacular and able to create roleplay, or develop your character. All hunters have equal cloaks, all them have a definite power source (as for balance.) Because of that fact your major quality revolves around this, and the technology advancement of the cloak, you're trapped ICly. As a predator, we can't modify our gear, we can't have indefinite cloaking power, and the cloak WILL shut off if you move into the water (as per predator 1, the movie) So your waterproof cloak is basically obsolete and your character is now a generic hunter with a claw and a limited cloak.

I do remember you, and I have nothing but fond memories. I really want people to succeed in this position, and I feel if you had more information regarding both tools and limitations of predators game play-wise, you could've definitely formed this into a good, complete story that allows for character development, and adds to roleplay. If this is denied, and you want to reapply, contact me, or any of the whitelisted players. We're here, but no one ever asks us for advice, or information. You can use any tool available to you.

This is my process behind my judgement for the application, but please, if you reapply, and for anyone looking to reapply that is lacking information or just needs help in general, you can contact me, or anyone else.
I see why you would be concerned but, who's to say the story ends there? ICly he could of landed on the planet, and have his cloaking device damaged, using the resources available, is able to bring it back to the state of all the other predators. I wish I had more knowledge on the lore of the yautja, it would of helped me specialize my predator into somethign more unique. I played the predator briefly back in alpha but, I had to really use my imgination coming up with my story here, that's why I think you were a bit harsh. It's a similiar problem with some staff applications that I remembered back then, people would say in their answers that they used powers but, in the comments people would negative one the application because they used powers a t-mod wouldn't be able to use but, how is that there fault that they didn't know what powers were available. You see what I mean? Also, the reapplying time is about 3 months, according to Rahlzel, which is also a big sting in the bum.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Shyguychizzy » 15 Dec 2016, 19:13

Tranquill wrote:Ford revolutionized the car but, it was only used for driving, I don't see how they were conflicting. Also, you criticize that the cloak's source of energy would burn out, who is to say that the battery isn't extended, also where is a definite battery length on cloaking devices? How would a water-resistant cloaking device not work? I feel like my application is getting shit on while I do agree it isn't the best, I think it is getting a lot of harsh criticism. A household name on the server, I was around when you were still staff, while I also was, so my name is getting rebuilt around all of these newer members.
I am going with a HUGE -1, the way you reacted to such comment, so you been here a long ass time so have I and many others. Age might help for being known or build a good repuptation but cause you were here before many staff became staff doesn't change the fact. Thing is, these are honest comments and remarks from experienced and CM regulars giving their output, as you are aware this is a Predator Application not your average application. The fact that in this predator cloak, in which is no secret at all it isn't water resistant, lore wise perhaps but here it aint. I can not give you the exact battery life but there is in fact a limit that is all I can say. As well, cloaks have a battery life, they can extend to a certain point not like a stupid amount just a slight extension. Every Predator has cloak and equipment all equal equipment to be exact just many predators choose different load outs.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

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Shyguychizzy wrote:I am going with a HUGE -1, the way you reacted to such comment, so you been here a long ass time so have I and many others. Age might help for being known or build a good repuptation but cause you were here before many staff became staff doesn't change the fact. Thing is, these are honest comments and remarks from experienced and CM regulars giving their output, as you are aware this is a Predator Application not your average application. The fact that in this predator cloak, in which is no secret at all it isn't water resistant, lore wise perhaps but here it aint. I can not give you the exact battery life but there is in fact a limit that is all I can say. As well, cloaks have a battery life, they can extend to a certain point not like a stupid amount just a slight extension. Every Predator has cloak and equipment all equal equipment to be exact just many predators choose different load outs.
I think you read my comment in an angry tone even though I was just replying to LordeKilly about his honest criticism, and I can tell you didn't read my story, no offense. I understand that this is a serious whitelisting application, I have done many before I am not taking this any less serious, I used all my creative ability to come up with a character, story behind him and his playstyle. I would be lying if I wasn't a little frustrated because, it did take me a while to come up with it all just to see so much negativity.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Shyguychizzy » 15 Dec 2016, 19:36

Tranquill wrote:I think you read my comment in an angry tone even though I was just replying to LordeKilly about his honest criticism, and I can tell you didn't read my story, no offense. I understand that this is a serious whitelisting application, I have done many before I am not taking this any less serious, I used all my creative ability to come up with a character, story behind him and his playstyle. I would be lying if I wasn't a little frustrated because, it did take me a while to come up with it all just to see so much negativity.
I do apologize if I took it or looked at angry tone, wasn't aiming for that just making a few points, again apologize for that but still. I understand it isn't easy, I do understand you did put a lot of good effort. I did see your side on the matter not really on LordeKelly comment, though I saw it and saw at the very end how you reacted or particularly your statement at the end of your comments.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by Tranquill » 15 Dec 2016, 19:39

Shyguychizzy wrote:I do apologize if I took it or looked at angry tone, wasn't aiming for that just making a few points, again apologize for that but still. I understand it isn't easy, I do understand you did put a lot of good effort. I did see your side on the matter not really on LordeKelly comment, though I saw it and saw at the very end how you reacted or particularly your statement at the end of your comments.
It's alright, I was just having a little chit-chat with Lorde, it's a bit frustrating to see my application get a little more negative than I was expecting even though I have read through some of the approved applications and seen some lower in quality and quantity.

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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

Post by LordeKilly » 15 Dec 2016, 20:23

Tranquill wrote:It's alright, I was just having a little chit-chat with Lorde, it's a bit frustrating to see my application get a little more negative than I was expecting even though I have read through some of the approved applications and seen some lower in quality and quantity.
Elaborate on which applications, and I can most likely justify them and the reasons they were accepted.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

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LordeKilly wrote:Elaborate on which applications, and I can most likely justify them and the reasons they were accepted.
http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=8983 - Here's one I could think of right away.

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Post by LordeKilly » 16 Dec 2016, 05:33

Tranquill wrote:http://cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=125&t=8983 - Here's one I could think of right away.
Xur is a phenomenal member of the community, living definition of a household name on the server. He's a dedicated player and is very active as well. His story might not've been golden, but the other two really helped him in the end. Regardless, his first application was denied, which just goes to show how if you fail, try until you succeed.
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Re: Setg'in Mei'hswei (Deadly Brother)

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LordeKilly wrote:Xur is a phenomenal member of the community, living definition of a household name on the server. He's a dedicated player and is very active as well. His story might not've been golden, but the other two really helped him in the end. Regardless, his first application was denied, which just goes to show how if you fail, try until you succeed.
Fair enough.

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Post by Sarah_U. » 16 Dec 2016, 20:29

Pre-Note: I write this with an okay mood, no hate or anything, I really liked bits of your app.
I'd like to point out I was possitive, yet stepped back a bit on the overall aspect of the application.

The fact you stated you would silently stare from aside the battlefield to tip the scale in the looser's favor is a BIG PLUS from me.
The fact your overall application was quite good in itself, is another plus from me.

The fact you're possible future staff and applying for predator does nothing to sway or change my vote, your power reside in your own actions and decisions, not your admin powers. Furthermore, the staff will give you a timeout from judging periods so that you get to be both judged for staff and predator separately and not removed from one or the other at the same time. (Well, being kicked from staff can lead to denied app, but yea)

I'm very relaxed about giving my +1 in general when I see good potential in people, but my number one issue with your application is that you apparently didn't go out to ask questions to us (Predator whitelisted) either on discord or mchat to find out the methods and ways the whitelist work, nor actually did some form of extensive to fix the problem we speak of. Although you did present a proper story that, as stated above, narrowed down your options quite a bit.

Well, final note: I wasn't OVERLY IMPRESSED by the application, but you did some good effort and that for a basis is a must in my opinion. I will gladly upvote ya' if you work on some of the points above.

I do realise, and understand really well that your application must've been thought about pretty well and all, but despite its unique trait (Which I somewhat liked, mind you), I do have to apology and give you a NEUTRAL status and give staff my support for shrinking the three month period so that you may have a chance to both study and re-apply for predator.

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Sarah_U. wrote:Pre-Note: I write this with an okay mood, no hate or anything, I really liked bits of your app.
I'd like to point out I was possitive, yet stepped back a bit on the overall aspect of the application.

The fact you stated you would silently stare from aside the battlefield to tip the scale in the looser's favor is a BIG PLUS from me.
The fact your overall application was quite good in itself, is another plus from me.

The fact you're possible future staff and applying for predator does nothing to sway or change my vote, your power reside in your own actions and decisions, not your admin powers. Furthermore, the staff will give you a timeout from judging periods so that you get to be both judged for staff and predator separately and not removed from one or the other at the same time. (Well, being kicked from staff can lead to denied app, but yea)

I'm very relaxed about giving my +1 in general when I see good potential in people, but my number one issue with your application is that you apparently didn't go out to ask questions to us (Predator whitelisted) either on discord or mchat to find out the methods and ways the whitelist work, nor actually did some form of extensive to fix the problem we speak of. Although you did present a proper story that, as stated above, narrowed down your options quite a bit.

Well, final note: I wasn't OVERLY IMPRESSED by the application, but you did some good effort and that for a basis is a must in my opinion. I will gladly upvote ya' if you work on some of the points above.

I do realise, and understand really well that your application must've been thought about pretty well and all, but despite its unique trait (Which I somewhat liked, mind you), I do have to apology and give you a NEUTRAL status and give staff my support for shrinking the three month period so that you may have a chance to both study and re-apply for predator.

HAVE A NICE DAY, SORRY!
Yeah, I didn't really consider talking to any of the predator whitelists, I don't really know why but, it is something to do for the next application.

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Post by Feweh » 17 Dec 2016, 02:56

Im really not a fan of the whole "I just returned to CM and instantly apply to Predator' thing.

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Post by Tranquill » 17 Dec 2016, 12:52

Feweh wrote:Im really not a fan of the whole "I just returned to CM and instantly apply to Predator' thing.
I can't entirely blame you but, been back for five days now. I don't plan on stopping. Also, I just realized you were Lucius Pink.. some fond memories there.

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Post by forwardslashN » 19 Dec 2016, 12:36

I'm also not really a fan of people coming back from a long absence and then immediately applying for a pred. I have no idea who you are, as an example, and the game has changed a lot since pre alpha days. The backstory was okay, though using cloaking is not terribly exciting, and all predators rely on the cloaking device to avoid being detected by humans. In actual game play you wouldn't really use it outside of scouting. I would look forward to see more from you, probably in a few months, but I don't think it's the right time to whitelist you. -1.
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Post by Tranquill » 19 Dec 2016, 16:58

forwardslashN wrote:I'm also not really a fan of people coming back from a long absence and then immediately applying for a pred.
Well, people have done it for staff, and I am guessing you don't know me because you didn't really pay attention to who was around, back when you first joined but, point taken. Hopefully, I'll catch you sometime in-game.

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