Should queens have a lunge attack like Ravagers?

[NeverLoseHope]

i think so, it would be neat since queens are widely referred to as the strongest of their kind... and they almost have every other ability their children does except they use to be able to charge like a crusher except i think it would nice for them to have a lunge attack like a ravager, what do you guys think? idk i just think its weird that a single marine if good enough can easily take down a Queen alone (ive seen it happen plenty of times)

[xXen0zS1ay3rXx]

The collective butthurt from the Queen having the crusher charge created a neutron star, not sure what would happen if the got the rav-lunge

[Butterrobber202]

*queen charges into a group of marines, then reee's stunning them all.

I think Queen is alright rn chief.

[blingx3]

The collective butthurt from the Queen having the crusher charge created a neutron star, not sure what would happen if the got the rav-lunge

hahah, as much as this is funny, but I was very sad that it the ability was removed.

Now as for the Rav lunge, I think that Ravs his this ability due to there skinny and not very thicc skeleton that allows them to do it, as for the queen she's quite thicc skinned and heavy compared to the ravs, that's why her having the crusher charge made much more sense. That's my thought on it anyways.

[Jarek]

hahah, as much as this is funny, but I was very sad that it the ability was removed.

Now as for the Rav lunge, I think that Ravs his this ability due to there skinny and not very thicc skeleton that allows them to do it, as for the queen she's quite thicc skinned and heavy compared to the ravs, that's why her having the crusher charge made much more sense. That's my thought on it anyways.

This . Having the queen being able to do a rav charge would be pretty godamn annoying to counter, especially if it had anything close to the delimb chances ravagers do. Even if it didn't, it's still a stun the queen would be able to get on you with an ability, and I don't think queens should really have too many ways of stunning marines aside from screech and neuro spit, because that would encourage queens to start de-ovi'ing and going combat queen instead of the support role she's supposed to be.

[blingx3]

This . Having the queen being able to do a rav charge would be pretty godamn annoying to counter, especially if it had anything close to the delimb chances ravagers do. Even if it didn't, it's still a stun the queen would be able to get on you with an ability, and I don't think queens should really have too many ways of stunning marines aside from screech and neuro spit, because that would encourage queens to start de-ovi'ing and going combat queen instead of the support role she's supposed to be.

I understand what you're staying, but isn't the queen supposed to be a T4 ? having one cast in an entire hive that has many abilities is cool, and expands xeno strategy. Yes it would be annoying but she's the QUEEN of the hive. And Aside from the screech, I wouldn't put the spit in the same category as the screech, stun factor is way different.
This is honestly the first time I hear that a queen was made to BE a support role.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Not really. Rav was allowed that ability to get in and out quickly, because Rav is squishy as fuck until Elder. We're talking 2 BC AP burst to crit a young Rav here.

With queen being as tanky as she is, with an already healthy amount of stuns in her disposals (screech+neuro+tackle which is almost guaranteed while on Frenzy), she doesn't need it.

[CABAL]

If at all, then "Homming missle" of Warrior is better choice. He can't use it to escape, becouse it triggers only on marine.

Charge from the Queen was removed not becouse it was OP in combat, but becouse Queen players overused it to escape every single time. That one round where Queen just charged trough halls of Almayer without any chance to catch her.

It's really hard to 1vs1 Queen. It takes very robust marine and Queen running on empty Plasma Tank. It's not weird becouse players control both sides and bad player have to lose. Queen is faster that healthy human in armor, she can screech, she can neuro, she can tackle and she can slash. Are we returning to the mindset that every xeno have to better than any marine? "It is not possible" as Redeemer would say. If "Bad Queen >>> Robust Marine" then "Robust Queen > Squad of Marines".

Queen is just the biggest of the xenos available, not the strongest. Queen is just like CO (With apesuit, Ol' painless and Omnizine). CO coming down planetside is Marine substitute of deoving.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Not really. After the charge removal and nerf to queen's normal speed, she's not outrunning a healthy armored marine even while on Frenzy.

[TheDonkified]

No she does not need buffs to her mobility. She has crowd control effects like screech and neuro, and whenever she is attacking, she should always have back-up any way that can cover her ass.

[misto]

the wort thing about her having charge was her using it to run laps around a weeded-up almayer and being impossible to catch. a rav-like lunge is comparably short range, it could be ok

[kastion]

every buff you give the queen is a nerf the rest of the xenos have to take to balance the game. This is the exact opposite of what we need.

[Clutch]

yeaaaaaaahhh uh no.

[Gnorse]

jesus christ please don't i still have queen charge ptsd

[Bancrose]

Everyone is right, she doesn't need mobility. She already has Screech and Neuro. If she isn't dumb, she isn't going to overextend and will usually have xenos by her. Giving her a charge would be a mega buff.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

no, hell no.

[Jarek]

I understand what you're staying, but isn't the queen supposed to be a T4 ? having one cast in an entire hive that has many abilities is cool, and expands xeno strategy. Yes it would be annoying but she's the QUEEN of the hive. And Aside from the screech, I wouldn't put the spit in the same category as the screech, stun factor is way different.
This is honestly the first time I hear that a queen was made to BE a support role.

I mean, queen is at her most useful when she's in ovi, dispensing strong pheremones to hive leaders, enabling xeno respawns, instant healing/plasma regen for a xeno, and all the other abilities she has, once the queen de-ovi's she loses the vast majority of those abilities and gains the ability to screech, which is most commonly used to help counter heavy marine pushes and take down marine forts. Also can't forget the ability that a queen death if it happens kills all the respawns the xenos have aside from like five or six larvae which indicates, to me, what her intended function is.

[carlarc]

i want this

[ThesoldierLLJK]

queens get screech, queens get stun spit, queens can weed, queens can heal other xenos, queens can gib someone and make them go squish
What more do you people need?

[ScreamingIdiot]

Not a good idea IMHO. Ideally the queen is a class that works best when supported by the whole hive.

ex: crusher and defenders pushing to soak damage and break fortifications, boiler bombarding enemy lines to break up formations, and everyone else flanking or supporting T3s while the queen can move in and assist everyone with good pheromones and screeches/full auto neuro.

Giving the queen more blatant combat abilities is bound to make it more appealing to baldies who'll get themselves killed by thinking they can play like a lurker. The game already has a problem with round delays since solo queens can hold their own against a small squad or two if they know what they're doing.

Some other more interesting mechanic might add to the queen's gameplay instead of complicating it. Perhaps more psychic abilities like a long-range stun or comms interference, as long as its barred for higher upgrade levels.

[KingPhilipIII]

Not really. Rav was allowed that ability to get in and out quickly, because Rav is squishy as fuck until Elder. We're talking 2 BC AP burst to crit a young Rav here.

With queen being as tanky as she is, with an already healthy amount of stuns in her disposals (screech+neuro+tackle which is almost guaranteed while on Frenzy), she doesn't need it.

That's a little generous on the health. I've seen one burst down a young rav.

[carlarc]

queens get screech, queens get stun spit, queens can weed, queens can heal other xenos, queens can gib someone and make them go squish
What more do you people need?

okay but i want this

[TheDonkified]

It's typically 2 bursts to crit a rav with AP BC unless the rav is unlucky with damage or if it is low on health.

[GenericUsername]

Oh yea absolutely

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Make the Rav charge work like Warrior's lunge, where you can only activate it by clicking on a target's sprite, and it wouldn't be used by the queen to get out of every fight safely; if you really want it so much. But I'm really really against this, as this will encourage combat queening, when it's already the number one reason for xeno loss lately, followed by bald T3s dying for free.

The main problem with xeno, is that there's so much power stacked up on T3s and queen, so when players controlling T3s and queen fail, the hive fail. We should spread that power out, trickle them down to T2 and T1, not giving T3s and queen even more power.