Bill Carson

[TehSpoderman]

Why is Bill Carson so well known?

[Rocco Ward]

Because rounds involving him in command positions usually results in riots and mutinies. (and to be fair, he is a decent RP'er, but I've seen him make HORRIBLE decisions as commander)

[TehSpoderman]

what kind of decisions does he make?

[Swagile]

And him being favored by admins.

See: when he was given wizard powers that allowed him to phase through walls just to kill a BO and Commander.

[Kerek]

Charge into the caves when you land porfavor or be executed for mutiny

[Joe4444]

becuase he's like stalin when he was in power....only in 2d spessmens.

TBH I've seen carson do great things as a CO, SL and any other command roles at times. Its the few off times people remember him for though.

[Rocco Ward]

becuase he's like stalin when he was in power....only in 2d spessmens.

This is accurate. I've literally seen him order MPs to arrest marines at briefing for calling him gay.

[TehSpoderman]

does he build gulags for mutinous marines?

[Renomaki]

Honestly, I wish that the staff would stop spoiling Carson so much. It isn't very fair to everyone else, and in some cases could result in others attempting to follow in his footsteps and become horrible people themselves in the blind hope that they too can one day be given a licence to grief by the staff for a round.

Being a bad meme shouldn't be rewarded I believe, but to each their own I guess...

[Martzin]

Honestly, I wish that the staff would stop spoiling Carson so much. It isn't very fair to everyone else, and in some cases could result in others attempting to follow in his footsteps and become horrible people themselves in the blind hope that they too can one day be given a licence to grief by the staff for a round.

Being a bad meme shouldn't be rewarded I believe, but to each their own I guess...

I honestly agree with admins always spoiling the 'speshul' people of CM because they're popular. Why not give some random boot magical wizard powers and antag objectives just to mix things up?

But anyway, Bill Carson is known for being an exceptionally good CL, as in managing to completely fuck over the entire ship for Wey-Yu's gain. He also would roll CO alot and was an utterly shit commander but a good RPer, and like a 2d spessmen Stalin. I've played an MP with Carson as a CO, and he ordered us to brig a marine for calling him 'Cuckson'. More shenanigans of his is lying through his teeth at his marine force to get them to do something, for example:
Sending the Rasputin down full of marines to clear out the LZ, and then sending a 2nd party of marines down. On the announcements he praised the 1st team for clearing out LZ1. When the 2nd party got there it was a fucking death-trap where every marine that went down there died. I was one of them.

On-top of this he is also extremely robust and is even in the hall of fame for finishing off the remaining xenos on the sulaco by himself.

[Crab_Spider]

I honestly agree with admins always spoiling the 'speshul' people of CM because they're popular. Why not give some random boot magical wizard powers and antag objectives just to mix things up?

But anyway, Bill Carson is known for being an exceptionally good CL, as in managing to completely fuck over the entire ship for Wey-Yu's gain. He also would roll CO alot and was an utterly shit commander but a good RPer, and like a 2d spessmen Stalin. I've played an MP with Carson as a CO, and he ordered us to brig a marine for calling him 'Cuckson'. More shenanigans of his is lying through his teeth at his marine force to get them to do something, for example:
Sending the Rasputin down full of marines to clear out the LZ, and then sending a 2nd party of marines down. On the announcements he praised the 1st team for clearing out LZ1. When the 2nd party got there it was a fucking death-trap where every marine that went down there died. I was one of them.

On-top of this he is also extremely robust and is even in the hall of fame for finishing off the remaining xenos on the sulaco by himself.

He was actually with someone else and the xenos couldn't touch him (he was on a fucking cargo tug), and because Feweh didn't really know how to be a ravenger, he failed to finish him off.

[Swagile]

He also pussied out and hid in a locker while the marines in Escape made a valiant attempt to stall for time for their comrades to escape.

See: rewarding bad behavior as Renomaki said.

[Martzin]

He was actually with someone else and the xenos couldn't touch him (he was on a fucking cargo tug), and because Feweh didn't really know how to be a ravenger, he failed to finish him off.

Lol on a cargo tug? I didnt know that. Feweh musta put him in the HoF just cuz he didnt expect to get bested as rav.

[Simo94]

Honestly, I wish that the staff would stop spoiling Carson so much. It isn't very fair to everyone else, and in some cases could result in others attempting to follow in his footsteps and become horrible people themselves in the blind hope that they too can one day be given a licence to grief by the staff for a round.

Being a bad meme shouldn't be rewarded I believe, but to each their own I guess...

admins like him because he is a good roleplayer, a round win or loss doesnt matter because the next round resets everything, all that matters is how much fun we get from the different situations roleplay creates

[RedOktober12]

I can understand a lot of the criticism leveled at Carson, and since I don't share your experience, I can't really comment on them. However, in the games I've played with him, Carson guarantees an interesting round. When so many games revolve around familiar metas and patterns of engagement, Carson adds a great deal of variation. His Stalin-esq style of command gives the marines an extra element to deal with, offering an extra level of shit to deal with. Besides which, he's not even that bad a commander; the blocking detachment stuff only happens when the marines are losing badly. His RP genuinely livens up a game that can occasionally get stale, and that's a big deal to me. His understanding of the value of being a bad guy as well as how the manner through which he pulls it off, makes me look forward to playing rounds with him in command.

With that being said, I can easily see how all of my praise can be seen as annoying to people with different objectives. I don't play to win, I play to see what happens. In that regard, Carson is a godsend simply for the stories and good memories I have of the rounds he's played a major part in, win or loss. Again, others are entitled to their style of play. This just happens to be mine.

Ignoring all that, though, he's a very competent BO and SL. Great at keeping information flowing, and effective at managing squads. Top notch craic while he does it, too. I've never noticed him getting favours from on high, and it sucks if he has. I can only assume that in the context of the round it made sense.

Carson gets two thumbs up from me, while acknowledging that he's not for everyone.

[Fitchace]

Hey guys thanks for the constructive criticism and the positive comments. The last thing I want to do is get on anyone's bad side. I will not be changing the way I RP though, and as always RP within the rules.


Locked and Resolved.

[Renomaki]

Hey guys thanks for the constructive criticism and the positive comments. The last thing I want to do is get on anyone's bad side. I will not be changing the way I RP though, and as always RP within the rules.


Locked and Resolved.

Not sure if serious, or just really snarky.

[OatzAndHoes]

Carson is a meme player. If you've ever had much experience with SS13 you'll see them come time to time, and some of the more well known ones such as Cuban Pete, Kingston, Shoe Stealin Willy and Chef Excellence you might have heard of before. Usually these players achieve meme status through some combination of creativity, autism, and extreme robustness or unrobustness. The best and most well known usually retire the gimmick/character before it starts to get old so they get put down in legend instead of slowly fading into annoyance. Cuban Pete was a great example of this, he came to /tg/, made station sized bombs that could crash the server, and then stopped using the character when admins hardcoded in a bombcap to prevent him from doing this anymore. As a result he has had a half dozen items named after him on most ss13 servers, and has gone down in ss13 legend. Others who keep their meme status usually start getting preferential admin treatment, and slowly start to annoy people because every other round becomes a meme. I found Carson pretty funny initially, but his bridge shenanigans are starting to get to the point were every couple rounds end in mutiny while everyone else dies because of his shitty gimmick of the round. He's not that bad of a player, its just that giving him CO whitelist was a mistake.

[McRipfist]

He got me piss drunk while I was handling an ahelp. When I returned and tried to help repel boarders as a Smartgunner SPC I could barely make it down the hall. This experience has left me with a dislike towards Carson.

[Renomaki]

He got me piss drunk while I was handling an ahelp. When I returned and tried to help repel boarders as a Smartgunner SPC I could barely make it down the hall. This experience has left me with a dislike towards Carson.

That reminds me of a time when I was a sniper and another person forcefed me booze, hindering my ability to perform and later starting a brawl because he wouldn't leave people alone. I think he got banned after that shit.

The fact that Carson was able to get away with what could be considered a form of griefing is amazing... I swear, the staff can't keep turning the other cheek forever.

[Swagile]

Never forget when Carson was given wizard powers as a BO in order to phase through walls and kill two people with.

Literal meme magic at work here folks.

[Rocco Ward]

There was a recent round that was meme worthy. We did a jungle SW base while I was in charge as the XO. Marines nearly mutinied command before Carson came out of cryo as CO. He ran up the bridge, assessed the situation, and then triggered the self-destruct sequence while everyone evacuated to the planet. On the planet as the FOB proceeded to get overrun, we were given the nuclear authentication codes. As marine after marine fell to the enemy forces, Carson made a daring escape out of the FOB while the nuke was ticking down. Before the final detonation he was halfway across the map, and the only human who survived the explosion. He literally outran the nuke... which should have killed everyone and everything on the planet.

[Kerek]

There was a recent round that was meme worthy. We did a jungle SW base while I was in charge as the XO. Marines nearly mutinied command before Carson came out of cryo as CO. He ran up the bridge, assessed the situation, and then triggered the self-destruct sequence while everyone evacuated to the planet. On the planet as the FOB proceeded to get overrun, we were given the nuclear authentication codes. As marine after marine fell to the enemy forces, Carson made a daring escape out of the FOB while the nuke was ticking down. Before the final detonation he was halfway across the map, and the only human who survived the explosion. He literally outran the nuke... which should have killed everyone and everything on the planet.

He wasn't the only survivor. There were three. Me, and this other dude ran to caves to "pray for protection against the rads." And then when he was trying to get a hugger off me he cut my head off. And then he got decapped by a hunter.

And all he did was run, nothing impressive.

[Crab_Spider]

He wasn't the only survivor. There were three. Me, and this other dude ran to caves to "pray for protection against the rads." And then when he was trying to get a hugger off me he cut my head off. And then he got decapped by a hunter.

And all he did was run, nothing impressive.

This!

[Marcus Jackson]

I remember one time where I was the only SL able to fight, and one of the BO's had been killed by Carson who then declared himself CO.

As usual I was trying to run all the squads while defending against waves of xenos, and when we finally had some time to relax Carson came down and told me to prepare everyone for an assault... needless to say it wouldn't have worked and everyone knew it.

Nobody moved or said anything for a couple seconds... it really resembled an old Mexican standoff.

I think it was an alpha medic that asked:"Are we really doing this?" to which I responded: "Yep." That started off what was basically the most cinematic and seamless mutiny I'd ever seen/been a part of.

Carson had 2 MP's with him at the time in full gear, but a Spec with a sniper-rifle blasted the first right in the head, while another got lit on fire by a VERY upset grunt.

Carson shot me in the face with his sidearm and I became the most fugly SL on the mission, but I just beat him with the butt of my shotgun till he couldn't move.

We stripped him naked and left him there to die, as xenos quickly swarmed the Nexus while we pulled back.

I died while we evacuated the ship... but damn was it worth killing that meme-lord.