Whose idea was it to make a HoS?!

[Crab_Spider]

Well then?! Who?! Why?!

[Sargeantmuffinman]

Someone, ages ago.

[Snypehunter007]

A good one, last year, McRipfist.

[Simo94]

it goes back to vanilla SS13, you need a HoS to contain all the honks and toolboxes

[Steelpoint]

I made a suggestion a long time ago, August 2015 more accurately.

Here's the old thread in question: viewtopic.php?f=86&t=3581&p=33994

[Crab_Spider]

A good one, last year, McRipfist.

How is it a good idea, huh!?

[YungCuz]

I mean...someone has to make sure the MPs aren't fucking around, and command is usually busy.

[Snypehunter007]

Solves disputes between MPS, is a public figurehead, organize MPs and directly orders them instead of one random Bridge staff ordering something, (hopefully) improve MP behavior and weed out problems with them.

[Simo94]

most MPs excute CO's orders while they need to enforce marine law, HoS gives them a boss to prevent that, I guess

[Crab_Spider]

most MPs excute CO's orders while they need to enforce marine law, HoS gives them a boss to prevent that, I guess

So it stops Bill Carson from enforcing bullshit orders through MPs and preventing loopholes?

[Marcus Jackson]

So it stops Bill Carson from enforcing bullshit orders through MPs and preventing loopholes?

No, it stops sane people from wasting time debating the exact meaning of the marine laws.

Carson being himself is only preventable by mutiny, but unfortunately you have to wait for him to do something worthyof mutiny before you can.

[driecg36]

Why is the WO a bad idea? It gives more structure to the department, resolves issues more easily, and overall is a stronger representative of marine law than mp's were previously, meaning less dumb infractions from MP and command staff.

I really dont know how this could be a negative change.

[LordeKilly]

I think we can agree WO is the dumbest most dumb name for it.

[driecg36]

Warrant officer? If you're referring to the acronym, it should be pretty obvious when it means whiskey outpost or warrant officer based on the context.

[Skelton]

The reason everyone hates WO is because they get instatriggered and can't stop squealing because all they see at that specific moment is the 18th hour of Whiskey Outpost in a row.

[LordeKilly]

Warrant officer? If you're referring to the acronym, it should be pretty obvious when it means whiskey outpost or warrant officer based on the context.

Warrant Officer in this case, but a Warrant Officer isn't a Lieutenant, it's an entire rank on its own.

[driecg36]

His rank in the game appears as lieutenant.
Where does an actual warrant officer sit in the hierarchy?

Never mind, i looked it up. For the marines, they appear to stand somewhere in between officers and enlisted marines. So technically, they would be above SL and below SO. I'd rather them act as lieutenants, actually, to make the balance of power between command and the mp's more balanced, so I don't mind their rank being lt in the game.

[driecg36]

Also, to add to that. lieutenant commander isn't a rank in the marines, just in the navy. It would make more sense if the SO's were second lieutenants and the XO was a first lieutenant.

[Skelton]

Typically above Staff Sergeant. I think it has the ability to be given to numerous ranks from Army Sergeant Major to specific Chiefs of Staff as it's not a Commissioned Officer post nor is it Non-Commissioned. It's issued by Warrant. Which leaves it in a sort of unique place. LT is a suitable place.

[LordeKilly]

Also, to add to that. lieutenant commander isn't a rank in the marines, just in the navy. It would make more sense if the SO's were second lieutenants and the XO was a first lieutenant.

The bridge staff aren't marines, they're navy. Same with pilots.

[driecg36]

Ah, makes sense. I really need to learn more about marine ranks.

[McRipfist]

It was me most recently.

[Fitchace]

So it stops Bill Carson from enforcing bullshit orders through MPs and preventing loopholes?

Works wonders if the CoS is on my side though.

[Crab_Spider]

Works wonders if the CoS is on my side though.

I'm going to beat you to death.

[4thsurviver]

Well Carson you almost got busted for our premature victory party. So I doubt the WO will be that much of a shield against MP retribution.
I think the HOS has more potential to do good rather than take away from MPs. At worst you'll get a overbearing WO but that would occasionally happen with normal MPs or Command staff.