Shitcurity

[Crab_Spider]

Can confirm. Was arrested (first time ever) and invoked the law that allows the XO/CO to hear my case. Was given 20 mins and the MP's ignored my request therefore violating Marine Law/Prisoner Rights. Not worth the escalation to forums, but made me more willing to consider the plight of other "criminals".

I want the book thrown at the derps that riot over attachments and meme Carson when he's Commander...

Riots over attachments are pretty rare, and when they happen, I take care of them quickly. Carson, who lawyers the laws and covers them up with the most ridiculous IC reasoning to cover up his griefings, is difficult to bamboozle since all he's doing is giving orders, and most times, these orders have to be within Marine Law but get overlooked.

And meming Carson is next to impossible given how he runs the shift

[Dions]

As CMO, I have been arrested during a large crush of wounded for causing minor organ damage to a marine via botched surgery. The WO dragged my cuffed ass into the hangar which was currently being flooded with xenos, tazing anyone trying to stop him from opening the hangar doors.

As CMO, I have been arrested for "distribution" for moving very quickly (didn't even search or take a blood sample from me), the WO taking my ID card and screaming for my demotion.

As XO, I ordered the MPs to lower a marines sentence from execution to 20 minutes (from murder to assault with a deadly weapon), the marine had killed a briefing shooter and while i question my judgement now, the WO informed me that i wasnt high command or a weyland yutani executive so i couldn't give them orders. They then colluded in secret to have me arrested for breaking a law that doesn't exist (thankfully it never came to fruit).

Calm the fuck down, warrant officers.

[4thsurviver]

Can confirm. Was arrested (first time ever) and invoked the law that allows the XO/CO to hear my case. Was given 20 mins and the MP's ignored my request therefore violating Marine Law/Prisoner Rights. Not worth the escalation to forums, but made me more willing to consider the plight of other "criminals".

I want the book thrown at the derps that riot over attachments and meme Carson when he's Commander...

Did the MPs refuse or did the officers just decide to exercise their right not to care? Sometimes if a prisoner asks for what I believe to be a waste of time appeal I radio CO and tell them how little time is left on the sentence or how dead to rights we got the marine or something like that. Normally I just tell CO someone wants to talk and let them deal with it especially if its really a waste of time to just see what CO does.

I've only been WO twice and both times ended with my premature death. Once I got murdered while trying to peacefully end a hostage situation even after a marine accidentally set me on fire while I was negotiating. The other was a mix between fighting a pred and getting crushed by a cargo shuttle trying to pick up another downed MP. My WO priorities are to get people to defuse situations as non-confrontational as possible, having their charges prepared before brigging someone and if I ever play on a low pop round get some MPs to file arrest reports.

One thing I never hear about is when people bring up shitcurity is they never explain what they did to deserve it. I'm sure sometimes its an MP over reacting or being a dick for no reason but I'm doubt its every time. It takes two sides to escalate a conflict.

[Symbiosis]

Did the MPs refuse or did the officers just decide to exercise their right not to care? Sometimes if a prisoner asks for what I believe to be a waste of time appeal I radio CO and tell them how little time is left on the sentence or how dead to rights we got the marine or something like that. Normally I just tell CO someone wants to talk and let them deal with it especially if its really a waste of time to just see what CO does.

I've only been WO twice and both times ended with my premature death. Once I got murdered while trying to peacefully end a hostage situation even after a marine accidentally set me on fire while I was negotiating. The other was a mix between fighting a pred and getting crushed by a cargo shuttle trying to pick up another downed MP. My WO priorities are to get people to defuse situations as non-confrontational as possible, having their charges prepared before brigging someone and if I ever play on a low pop round get some MPs to file arrest reports.

One thing I never hear about is when people bring up shitcurity is they never explain what they did to deserve it. I'm sure sometimes its an MP over reacting or being a dick for no reason but I'm doubt its every time. It takes two sides to escalate a conflict.

Since you're curious, got into a shoving match. Someone was touching Cliff, so he'd likely push back. That escalated to the MP's arresting us. 20 minutes for that. *shrug* I viewed it as self defense since my character was touched first, and wanted to get down to the Op. Again, just 20 minutes, so not worth it.

Then tonight we had poor Poteat arrested for wearing a headband instead of a helmet, hah!

[Crab_Spider]

Since you're curious, got into a shoving match. Someone was touching Cliff, so he'd likely push back. That escalated to the MP's arresting us. 20 minutes for that. *shrug* I viewed it as self defense since my character was touched first, and wanted to get down to the Op. Again, just 20 minutes, so not worth it.

Then tonight we had poor Poteat arrested for wearing a headband instead of a helmet, hah!

Improper uniform.

[Kavrick]

Improper uniform.

A headband is not improper uniform, holy shit.

[Crab_Spider]

A headband is not improper uniform, holy shit.

I don't enforce that law, only when someone brings it up I do.

[DukeOz]

How are headbands improper uniform? As long as they got the body armor on and are not wearing stuff like the top hat/pirate hat why make an issue of it.

[taketheshot56]

Actually the charge was insubordination. Davis refused to obey his SLs order to wear a helmet like everyone else and he got pissy about it and refused to wear a helmet so he was arrested.

[Crab_Spider]

How are headbands improper uniform? As long as they got the body armor on and are not wearing stuff like the top hat/pirate hat why make an issue of it.

Headbands offer no protection, and if they need any kid of protection. There will be instances where they'll get killed or severely injured by a bullet, and you NEED all your men in proper gear so you don't suffer unnecessary and easily preventable deaths. I don't enforce this law because there's no point, it's merely someone not wearing a helmet, so I leave them alone. I still arrest RO and CTs for ordering black market guns and confiscate any guns found planetside. Im not consistent and I never will be, I may turn a blind eye to it, or I may brig you for doing it.

[4thsurviver]

Headbands offer no protection, and if they need any kid of protection. There will be instances where they'll get killed or severely injured by a bullet, and you NEED all your men in proper gear so you don't suffer unnecessary and easily preventable deaths. I don't enforce this law because there's no point, it's merely someone not wearing a helmet, so I leave them alone. I still arrest RO and CTs for ordering black market guns and confiscate any guns found planetside. Im not consistent and I never will be, I may turn a blind eye to it, or I may brig you for doing it.

From Marine Law Improper uniform. "Marines should always be wearing their uniform, boots, and armor at a minimum." The helmet is entirely optional but not taking one is asking for trouble. I also like to take a riot helmet sometimes as a MP, I know you can't wear the armor but ever since my second MP round where I got stabbed in the head I prefer to have some protection and I think its handy to have a spit shield when I man the brig.

Since you're curious, got into a shoving match. Someone was touching Cliff, so he'd likely push back. That escalated to the MP's arresting us. 20 minutes for that. *shrug* I viewed it as self defense since my character was touched first, and wanted to get down to the Op. Again, just 20 minutes, so not worth it.

Then tonight we had poor Poteat arrested for wearing a headband instead of a helmet, hah!

There is no law for or against self defense so normally if no one can prove who was the aggressor in a fight I'll arrest both. If you get into a fight the best way to remain unbrigged is to call the MPs and try to escape the aggressor until MPs arrive. In this case I'd probably ask if both of you wanted to just let it go and continue on the mission since it wasn't even punching and maybe I'd make you apologize to each other too if I was feeling extra vindictive.

Another thing is I always add the 10 minutes for running but I will normally offer time off for surrendering or take time off for good behavior or if you tried to escape in a way the was entertaining to me. That's only if I'm the first responder though, if another MP showed up its their call.

[Karmac]

In my honest opinion MP's have no place in CM due to how they work, Moderators will end up either doing their job or fixing a mistake they made. This isn't true for all circumstances but it makes up the end result of a good amount of them.

[RedsPro]

I think Firebug got cucked by shitcurity a few days ago

[4thsurviver]

In my honest opinion MP's have no place in CM due to how they work, Moderators will end up either doing their job or fixing a mistake they made. This isn't true for all circumstances but it makes up the end result of a good amount of them.

In my time I've never seen staff really get involved in any of my MP rounds expect telling Marines not to mutiny, sleeping a murderer, or using the AI to alert us to a crime people were either ignoring or didn't notice.

Would you replace the MPs with staff filling the roles or would staff just respond to all the crimes and minor IC issues themselves directly or just ignore them altogether? Like when people push, steal, scuffle in RO line, shit talk each other, someone holding up the RO line trying to get their barrel charger, refuse to go on the mission and so on?

[Karmac]

Staff already do respond to when people fuck around in RO or refuse to go to breifing or any other sort of round delay, I can't think of a decent way of replacing MP's without dumping a bunch more IC stuff in the care of mods, or by straight up just expecting players to be responsible.

MP's are imperfect because they don't mesh well with our playerbase and they cause as many issues as they reduce, what with shitcurity, baldcurity and straight up griefers.

[Dions]

If i may suggest, maybe start handing out sec bans like candy. I'd rather have no security than a bunch of shitheads with tasers running around.

[RedsPro]

MP's are necessary. They may somtimes be shitheads but someones gotta keep the men in line. Without MP's there would really be no order and the whole system would break down.

[taketheshot56]

If i may suggest, maybe start handing out sec bans like candy. I'd rather have no security than a bunch of shitheads with tasers running around.

Whos worse the shithead with a tazer or the shithead who wipes out half of briefing with a sadar round.

[Swagile]

Whos worse the shithead with a tazer or the shithead who wipes out half of briefing with a sadar round.

SADAR cannot be used on the ship..........

[taketheshot56]

SADAR cannot be used on the ship..........

The point being, shitty security isnt that shitty in the grand scheme of things.

[4thsurviver]

Staff already do respond to when people fuck around in RO or refuse to go to breifing or any other sort of round delay, I can't think of a decent way of replacing MP's without dumping a bunch more IC stuff in the care of mods, or by straight up just expecting players to be responsible.

MP's are imperfect because they don't mesh well with our playerbase and they cause as many issues as they reduce, what with shitcurity, baldcurity and straight up griefers.

I think having staff take care of everything themselves would just be more of the same if not worse. The player base would still be the same except now staff would be cracking down on them instead of another player. At least with MPs you have a chance to escape or RP or have some fun, with staff you just get PM'd or put to sleep and scolded. Then instead of people just complaining about shitcurity they would just complain about shitstaff or how there's no fun allowed, that type of thing.

I think just having more guidelines on what is and isn't shitcurity and clearer expectations of MPs would help cut down on the problem. As it is now MPs are just roleplaying how they think cops should act and try to interpret a fictional set of laws that doesn't cover all the situations they may run into. Griefers are going to grief it doesn't matter what job they get, my second WO round had 2 unrelated SOs murder people shortly into the round. Baldies are going to be bald, they need to learn the role like they would any other role. A new CT or Doctor can ruin a round just as easily as a new MP. I'm honestly hoping that WO's can cut down on shitcuirty by having goals and expectations from their MPs rather than acting as a more powerful MP and ruining doctors rounds by arresting them for botching a surgery.

[RedOktober12]

As moderators, we do actually bwoink people flagrantly guilty of shitcurity. Clear abuses of marine law can and frequently do result in players being jobbanned from MP. However, from my perspective as a frequent MP player and as the person on the other side of the 'shitcurity arrested me for hacking a vendor' ahelps, most of the complaints come down to people being salty that they got arrested for breaking the law. Things like insubordination, trespassing and contraband are explicitly against the law, and just because you haven't been punished for it in previous rounds, doesn't give cause to tear the whole system down when an effective MP does bust you.

In cases such as the OP, however, I'm going to be taking a bit of a harder stance on it. it isn't fun, funny or good for the round. It's frustrating for all parties involved when an MP starts powertripping and failing to do things by the book. The role of the moderation team is to make sure MPs stay within the law, and to separate RP breaches of the law (Hacking vendors has an IC reason) from active grief (Hacking all the prep doors and C4ing shutters does not).

As it stands I feel like Marine Law could use an update, but is largely fit for purpose. In many cases, we staffers just need to leave more IC lawkeeping to MPs and only step in when the MPs are unable to punish someone or the grief is extreme and disruptive. This includes jobbanning players that treat MP as a free license to be a douche.

[taketheshot56]

Marine law really could use an update. There are lots of crimes that are illegal but aren't in the book. Bribery, extortion lots of crimes that could use a place there. When someone tries to

[Recounted]

Its only fun to be mp if you are a wo

[KaliSzop]

I only get pissed off if the shitcurity doesn't turn the timer immediately when they put you in the cell like the should, instead they're taking their sweet time and instead of having to sit 5 minutes you actually sit 7 minutes because of how retarded they are

And also sometimes if they arrest me for taking drugs