The whole MP situation.

[Sulaboy]

People do stupid things, but breaking out of the brig in a military space ship seems beyond dumb. Where do you even go? I can understand getting drunk or starting a fight, but people tend to realize when they're in a bad situation. It doesn't make sense to try and skip brig time when there's nowhere to run. It just gives people a headache.

[RobBrown4PM]

But why would MP's even have tasers then? It doesn't even make sense to have a brig system if everyone is a rational person like you suppose military folk are. People are dumb, especially your average 19 year old marine. I'm not in the military but I imagine the big US Carriers have brigs that are constantly in use. From what I understand about the Marines, largely gained by reading the Terminal Lance webcomic, it is filled with morons who drink drive, steal, lie and cheat. And if they were arrested by an incompetent policeman then I feel like the cop would get jumped, based on how cops get attacked every day by angry, irrational people.

Irrational, angry people. You're a marine who has seemingly passed a multitude of medical and psychological tests. You're not perfect, but you have applied to and been accepted in to a very elite organization. That means your A) Committed to that organization and it's cause, B) Have a relationship with the organization and those within your unit and command structure, and C) Are not a likely candidate for the University of Irrational behavior.

Even if you do fuck up, it's likely to be something that is correctable behavior, like going out on the town and getting gooned and saying or doing something stupid.

Again, this is a Roleplay server that is also a Mil-sim.

[Skimmy2]

Do add to everyone above, all you have to do is poking around reddit/terminal lance/google to find out the US Muhreens do really stupid shit, get drunk, and generally are fucks.

They DO NOT break out of a cell or actively assualt an MP/Superior while sober.

[thatguyfromlife]

Do add to everyone above, all you have to do is poking around reddit/terminal lance/google to find out the US Muhreens do really stupid shit, get drunk, and generally are fucks.

They DO NOT break out of a cell or actively assualt an MP/Superior while sober.

But CM has what the real world doesn't. Special snowflakes who are "too badass to listen to these MP's or CO". In real life, telling all marines to put on their helmets would be met with a bunch of marines wearing their goddamn helmets. On CM, it is met with a riot.

[Skimmy2]

But CM has what the real world doesn't. Special snowflakes who are "too badass to listen to these MP's or CO". In real life, telling all marines to put on their helmets would be met with a bunch of marines wearing their goddamn helmets. On CM, it is met with a riot.

Then its a good thing they must inform the MPs about the "unfair" treatment of helmets before they are allowed to mutiny. Kek

[Weaselburg]

But CM has what the real world doesn't. Special snowflakes who are "too badass to listen to these MP's or CO". In real life, telling all marines to put on their helmets would be met with a bunch of marines wearing their goddamn helmets. On CM, it is met with a riot.

They wouldn't take em off in the first place.

[Water Bird]

But CM has what the real world doesn't. Special snowflakes who are "too badass to listen to these MP's or CO". In real life, telling all marines to put on their helmets would be met with a bunch of marines wearing their goddamn helmets. On CM, it is met with a riot.

Irrational, angry people. You're a marine who has seemingly passed a multitude of medical and psychological tests. You're not perfect, but you have applied to and been accepted in to a very elite organization. That means your A) Committed to that organization and it's cause, B) Have a relationship with the organization and those within your unit and command structure, and C) Are not a likely candidate for the University of Irrational behavior.

Even if you do fuck up, it's likely to be something that is correctable behavior, like going out on the town and getting gooned and saying or doing something stupid.

Again, this is a Roleplay server that is also a Mil-sim.

Well look at the movie Aliens, the Marines there are not the nicest of people. They are continually insubordinate, disrespectful and don't respect the chain of command that much. Expand those 10ish marines to the Almayer where there can be 100 disgruntled marines (as almost every single marine in Aliens is), then put them a short 2 minute ride to an entire planet to hide on. I think it is totally believable that instead of being dishonourably discharged and serve a long amount of prison time that they would just assault the MP and then flee to the planet. I mean not everyone is going to do that, but this is a game.

I'm sure I could find instances of marines doing stupid shit and assaulting MP's. The battery of tests are usually bullshit anyway. If armies had a high bar to entry then they would never have enough people. Armies are at least a third full of idiots. Hell most jobs in general are full of idiots. But picking a career where people are encouraged to yell at you and make you walk very long distances so that you can go get shot at doesn't attract a higher proportion of high integrity people than any other job. Less so. Think of the marine who threw the puppy off a cliff, the Navy pilot who drew a dick in the sky. You think they didn't suffer the consequences of those actions?

[Rohesie]

Really? To desert the corps and hide in a god-forsaken frontier planet like a murderer instead of serving a little time in brig?

[Philby0]

This is a roleplay server, and a mil-sim one at that. Here in Canada at least, if you commit an act that goes to a summary trial, you're not going to ever do what you want to did because you kinda want to carry on with your career. Serve your time, get disciplined, and then get back in to the force and re-commit yourself to your career.

This stuff belongs on TG, not here.

Really? To desert the corps and hide in a god-forsaken frontier planet like a murderer instead of serving a little time in brig?

You guys are acting as if breaking the law was bannable for low R. It isn't that simple. If it were, MP roles can be deleted, the brig can be deleted, and marine law just has to be added to the rules.

If you seriously believe that please stop CM and go play pretend in a chatroom.

If it was Low RP he'd have been banned for low RP. This isn't the case.

[Sambalu]

just do the time. If MPs are being blatantly shit and doing things constantly yelling at you until you insult them, then giving you max time for disrespect/ pepperspraying you in your cell/harmbatoning or things equally as shitty, just ahelp it.

[Rohesie]

You guys are acting as if breaking the law was bannable for low R. It isn't that simple. If it were, MP roles can be deleted, the brig can be deleted, and marine law just has to be added to the rules.

There are lots of ways in where you can break the law, and even get away with it. You can steal, you can escape from brig, you can do a lot of things. What you can't do is become an enemy of the state. The moment you are using violence on the MPs is when you know you are past the point.

[RobBrown4PM]

Well look at the movie Aliens, the Marines there are not the nicest of people. They are continually insubordinate, disrespectful and don't respect the chain of command that much. Expand those 10ish marines to the Almayer where there can be 100 disgruntled marines (as almost every single marine in Aliens is), then put them a short 2 minute ride to an entire planet to hide on. I think it is totally believable that instead of being dishonourably discharged and serve a long amount of prison time that they would just assault the MP and then flee to the planet. I mean not everyone is going to do that, but this is a game.

I'm sure I could find instances of marines doing stupid shit and assaulting MP's. The battery of tests are usually bullshit anyway. If armies had a high bar to entry then they would never have enough people. Armies are at least a third full of idiots. Hell most jobs in general are full of idiots. But picking a career where people are encouraged to yell at you and make you walk very long distances so that you can go get shot at doesn't attract a higher proportion of high integrity people than any other job. Less so. Think of the marine who threw the puppy off a cliff, the Navy pilot who drew a dick in the sky. You think they didn't suffer the consequences of those actions?

Go watch the movie again, not once during the entirety of the movie do any of the Marines disobey an order. You could argue that switching to their regular ammunition was a direct order, but they were under attack at that point. They were certainly brash and egotistical, but they certainly were not uppidy yuppies causing all sorts of grief.

Again, why would you jeopardize your career for something you're likely going to get a slap on the wrist for, and some minor brig time?

[Water Bird]

Man you guys are boring. I managed to cuff an MP with his own goddamn handcuffs! That's a cool thing to do in a game. I think the arguments are just going circular now so unless something new comes up I probably won't respond.

[Rohesie]

Sorry if you feel that way. You asked for our opinion.

And I agree it's a cool thing to do. In TG you could even had made burgers out of him. But that's kind of not what you asked.

[Loco52]

The problem here is that MP "bad" actions and "bad" actions towards MP are usually bannable. If you are running from mps cuz you don't want to get caught you get an APM immediatelly telling you that you need "a better reason than that" thenn it gets boring interacting with MPs or as MP because everything is actually station-rule based. Like if you break an IC space law rule you are also breaking an OOC rule for some reason which is rule 13 of an MP "you have to hold up to the space law"

For example, the other day I went down the alamo by myself cuz I was looking for a criminal. That's a briggable and demotable IC space law for which I was taking the risk but I got an OOC warning. That's not ok if you want people to RP a little more.

I got some money from a prisoner, then RPed it all, made a room for the prisoner to change and be able to go planetside and escape after I received my amazing sum of 4200 credit and got jobbanned because I broke rule 13, can't RP corrupt MP. This has to stop if we want good MP rp asides from "d00d you don't have your helmet on unga brig dunga"

[Skimmy2]

The problem here is that MP "bad" actions and "bad" actions towards MP are usually bannable. If you are running from mps cuz you don't want to get caught you get an APM immediatelly telling you that you need "a better reason than that" thenn it gets boring interacting with MPs or as MP because everything is actually station-rule based. Like if you break an IC space law rule you are also breaking an OOC rule for some reason which is rule 13 of an MP "you have to hold up to the space law"

For example, the other day I went down the alamo by myself cuz I was looking for a criminal. That's a briggable and demotable IC space law for which I was taking the risk but I got an OOC warning. That's not ok if you want people to RP a little more.

I got some money from a prisoner, then RPed it all, made a room for the prisoner to change and be able to go planetside and escape after I received my amazing sum of 4200 credit and got jobbanned because I broke rule 13, can't RP corrupt MP. This has to stop if we want good MP rp asides from "d00d you don't have your helmet on unga brig dunga"

MPs are required to follow Marine Law as server rules.

[Blade2000Br]

The problem here is that MP "bad" actions and "bad" actions towards MP are usually bannable. If you are running from mps cuz you don't want to get caught you get an APM immediatelly telling you that you need "a better reason than that" thenn it gets boring interacting with MPs or as MP because everything is actually station-rule based. Like if you break an IC space law rule you are also breaking an OOC rule for some reason which is rule 13 of an MP "you have to hold up to the space law"

For example, the other day I went down the alamo by myself cuz I was looking for a criminal. That's a briggable and demotable IC space law for which I was taking the risk but I got an OOC warning. That's not ok if you want people to RP a little more.

I got some money from a prisoner, then RPed it all, made a room for the prisoner to change and be able to go planetside and escape after I received my amazing sum of 4200 credit and got jobbanned because I broke rule 13, can't RP corrupt MP. This has to stop if we want good MP rp asides from "d00d you don't have your helmet on unga brig dunga"

Marine law is literally the server rules for MPs. If you do not follow it, you are literally breaking your rules.

So yes, you are forced to follow marine law and you must abide by it. No buts.

[Philby0]

For example, the other day I went down the alamo by myself cuz I was looking for a criminal. That's a briggable and demotable IC space law for which I was taking the risk but I got an OOC warning. That's not ok if you want people to RP a little more.

Not only is marine law server rules for MPs like the others said, this isn't just an IC law, it's marine specific rule 8.

When it comes to handling marine law, staff isn't too rigid, you have good RP leeway and even if you break the law, you'll usually get brigged and won't face a ban unless you fucked something up.

[Blade2000Br]

Not only is marine law server rules for MPs like the others said, this isn't just an IC law, it's marine specific rule 8.

When it comes to handling marine law, staff isn't too rigid, you have good RP leeway and even if you break the law, you'll usually get brigged and won't face a ban unless you fucked something up.

tO compliment with what Philby here said, you can accept money as MP in a "corrupt" way if it's to like, manipulate the charges so instead of getting maximum for assault with deadly weapon, you change it to assault max time (one is perma, the other is 30 minutes). You can also reduce to something more feasible or change charges. You can even "overlook" some contraband distribution if paid for it. There's ways to RP as a corrupt MP without being rule breaking.

You cannot, though, just let a guy break several laws and help him do illegal shit. If a guy murdered another marine, You can give him perma instead of execution, but you cannot overlook it nor make a jailbreak and attack your MPs colleagues. There's a limit for everything.

[Loco52]

Marine law is literally the server rules for MPs. If you do not follow it, you are literally breaking your rules.

So yes, you are forced to follow marine law and you must abide by it. No buts.

I'm not saying it's not that way, i'm saying it SHOULDN'T be that way. That's all.

Edit: I don't want this to be misunderstood, I understand these laws are enforced to stop MPs from going crazy breaking their laws, what I mean here is that you shouldn't be accountable OOC for your IC ig unless it's really, really low RP. If you tell me admins aren't too rigid about this i'll believe it tho.

[Loco52]

tO compliment with what Philby here said, you can accept money as MP in a "corrupt" way if it's to like, manipulate the charges so instead of getting maximum for assault with deadly weapon, you change it to assault max time (one is perma, the other is 30 minutes). You can also reduce to something more feasible or change charges. You can even "overlook" some contraband distribution if paid for it. There's ways to RP as a corrupt MP without being rule breaking.

You cannot, though, just let a guy break several laws and help him do illegal shit. If a guy murdered another marine, You can give him perma instead of execution, but you cannot overlook it nor make a jailbreak and attack your MPs colleagues. There's a limit for everything.

Well I didn't attack my MP colleagues, I did help him leave perma. But that makes sense actually.

[Philby0]

The thing is, if marine law isn't server rules for MPs, marine law becomes irrelevant. Look at what happens on servers where space law doesn't matter, there is no law, Sec is only "the guys with better combat gear".
Don't think of this as staff banning people for rule breaks, think of it as High Command firing MPs who can't do their jobs.

Blade, I didn't know you could actually overlook stuff for bribes, if I let something slide it's because I consider applying a charge would be exaggerated, is it confirmed we can do it for money ? That'd give for interesting RP if done correctly.

[Dolth]

Regardless. You're still utter shitcurity Crab.

[Blade2000Br]

The thing is, if marine law isn't server rules for MPs, marine law becomes irrelevant. Look at what happens on servers where space law doesn't matter, there is no law, Sec is only "the guys with better combat gear".
Don't think of this as staff banning people for rule breaks, think of it as High Command firing MPs who can't do their jobs.

Blade, I didn't know you could actually overlook stuff for bribes, if I let something slide it's because I consider applying a charge would be exaggerated, is it confirmed we can do it for money ? That'd give for interesting RP if done correctly.

Small "overlooks" or charge changes can, indeed, be RPed as being brbied or be bribed to do small things as MP. Though I don't recommend being a Corrupt CMP, corrupt MP is fine.

[Printer16]

When playing MP I try to talk to the person I'm brigging unless they're just spouting nonsense and try to give them interaction during their brig sentence and what not instead of just silently brigging. Silent brigging can be annoying for whoever is getting brigged and no fun for either side. In my opinion, some leeway should be granted for minor offenses if their arrest is going to be detrimental to the mission success. Is arresting a SL over something petty worth the disorganization, and the newly found hate for command/mps, in the squad?