Petition for a CO Whitelisted Discord Text Channel.

[Amaxin]

The excuse of they can talk about it in #general is easy to counter by looking at how often it gets cluttered and each topic gets replaced by a new one every 5 seconds. You can't even hold a conversation about xenos before it goes back to the Marine circle jerk.

But you can't really put the blame on the whitelisted commanders for not being able to uphold a conversation in a public place, can you. If they want to discuss something, they shouldn't just shy away and play a victim of "oh so bad people that suppress my glorious, unconventional strategies".

You folks are whitelisted commanders, god damn it. You're supposed to be able to lead people, to talk to them, be charismatic. HR and leadership should be on the very top of your priority list - and if the people change the topic, it means they aren't interested. Just make your plans and speeches sound not boring instead.

[solidfury7]

This is a neat idea.

The claims of elitism are nonsensical and could be applied to nearly anything in CM. It's literally the "think of the children" card. Elitism hasnt really been an issue since the sulaco days.

The only possible claim which may hold water is the one saying it may be inactive between discussions. Well, no shit. Thats how it should be.

Personally, I think it should be given a shot. If it's dead, remove it. There is very little harm in trying new things. Besides, if you don't do it, someone else.will on their discord.

[ExGame]

Why would this be reserved for whitelisted COs? You are completely disregarding any other command players like the XO and SOs. COs aren't nearly special enough to warrant their own discord channel and tag. You can't pull the "preds get their channel" excuse, as they are 10 times more rare than COs and also aren't part of the marines or xenos. If you have your preferred group of people to discuss tactics with there is a DM group you can create via discord with them, it's easy.

[Omicega]

The claims of elitism are nonsensical

The reason why people like Darla and some of the non whitelisted CO's does NOT like this is because they don't truly understand the position we play.

No comment.

[Sir Lordington]

Not necessary. Furthermore, why make it CO only? XO is not a whitelisted role and this channel would apply to them as well.

[Kavlo]

The reason Kavlo we cannot just discuss in the regular channels because we got Karmac and Gabo posting memes in both and the topics get cluttered OFTEN.

Well Chen is already volunteering to moderate this new channel yet #general is apparently cluttered always but it could very easily also be moderated and cleared out and kept to CM related discussion and if people want to change the topic it's a discord with hundreds of people who all want to chat they're allowed to and it's not like the COs will have COUNTLESS things to chat about in their own channel and like Sirlordington points out a lot of people play XOs often and I'd say even SOs should have access to talk about strategy and such aswell. If anything I'd say you'd have a better chance asking for the old channels of #hive and #whateverthemarineonewascalled to return.

[Amaxin]

solidfury7 wrote:
The claims of elitism are nonsensical
Bancrosexd wrote:
The reason why people like Darla and some of the non whitelisted CO's does NOT like this is because they don't truly understand the position we play.

No comment.

As long as I see this "us versus them" thing, I'll be against that. Omicega summed it up perfectly and I don't think I need to say anything else.

[kooarbiter]

Not necessary. Furthermore, why make it CO only? XO is not a whitelisted role and this channel would apply to them as well.

because anyone can be XO, so in theory it'll just be a themed version of #general which defeats the point

[Kavlo]

because anyone can be XO, so in theory it'll just be a themed version of #general which defeats the point

Most people can also just apply for CO and probably get it if you look at how often people just go into an app and +1 them because "Saw them once ingame".

[Weaselburg]

I feel all you guys would talk about is the best way to kill someone who stole Jones. And STOP SAYING THAT BECAUSE PREDATORS GET ONE YOU SHOULD TO! THEY ARE PREDS DANGIT

[kooarbiter]

Most people can also just apply for CO and probably get it if you look at how often people just go into an app and +1 them because "Saw them once ingame".

yeah but still they have rules and standards to follow that XO doesnt, you don't just randomly join CM and (assuming you know how to play, mechanics, etc) and hop on CO like you can with almost any other role, if you want CO you have to work for it and thusly those who do get CO proved at least in some fashion that they have earned the position, even if it is a hugbox they can't rely entirely on hugboxes, and the person generally has to be somewhat charsismatic and not a spastic, and those qualifications dont really apply to any other command member

[Philby0]

if you want CO you have to work for it and thusly those who do get CO proved at least in some fashion that they have earned the position.

It's a role in 2D Spessmen, any 12yo who isn't toxic can get it. There isn't anything to "earn". Hell, it's the most lowRP role on this server, COs literally have LESS rules and standards to follow than most other roles.

[Amaxin]

It's a role in 2D Spessmen, any 12yo who isn't toxic can get it. There isn't anything to "earn". Hell, it's the most lowRP role on this server, COs literally have LESS rules and standards to follow than most other roles.

Thank you. Someone who finally realised how flawed the system is, in the popularity contest system app.

[Sleepy Retard]

Thank you. Someone who finally realised how flawed the system is, in the popularity contest system app.

There isn't a flaw in the system. It's to prevent complete baldies from taking the role.

Someone who is known enough to get commander is most assuredly not a baldie.

But still. I think a forum topic would do a lot more good. Slow based paragraph discussion

[kooarbiter]

It's a role in 2D Spessmen, any 12yo who isn't toxic can get it. There isn't anything to "earn". Hell, it's the most lowRP role on this server, COs literally have LESS rules and standards to follow than most other roles.

If that's the case why do we even whitelist it?

[Simo94]

how did we go from a soft CO whitelist to filter newbies to a hardcore whitelist to this?

[solidfury7]

No comment.

It's a fact.

Many people don't understand how Commanders operate.

Just look at the screaming from people in deadchat about the distress beacon not being sent or SD bring activated.

Do you think Commanders really care about a secret club house to make them spevial? Or do you think this is coming from an authentic way to discuss tactics, play styles and interesting themes, in private?

[Amaxin]

There isn't a flaw in the system. It's to prevent complete baldies from taking the role.

Someone who is known enough to get commander is most assuredly not a baldie.

But still. I think a forum topic would do a lot more good. Slow based paragraph discussion

I might get in a discussion about here, but that'd derail the whole post and I don't want that, so I'll simply tell you to look at Karmac's application and his CO rounds as a prime example of what's wrong with this.

A forum topic? Yeah, that'd actually work. Slow discussion, with actual time to think, prepare, make your maps or whatever. Mention people, analyze things, work your way into developing new "strategies", kinda cringing as I say that. Do that instead of asking for a snowflake tag on the Discord, which is completely unreasonable.

[Philby0]

It's a fact.

Many people don't understand how Commanders operate.

Just look at the screaming from people in deadchat about the distress beacon not being sent or SD bring activated.

Do you think Commanders really care about a secret club house to make them spevial? Or do you think this is coming from an authentic way to discuss tactics, play styles and interesting themes, in private?

The people screaming about the beacon or SD are new players. There's a constant flow of them because most leave the server and never return after being infantilised by grown men taking a videogame too seriously.
There are XOs, who have a good idea what playing CO is like. There are SOs, who know exactly how strategies are deployed in game, hell even marine mains have good knowledge of strategies on each and every map.

Of course COs don't need a secret club house to feel special, they already do. If it weren't true they'd accept that people who aren't COs can be more than capable to offer and discuss strategies for the game. Not act all superior claiming that they and only they can grasp in game strategies, that's textbook elitism.

If you really want a private chat, creating a discord is completely free, nobody will care if you do that. But if there is a channel dedicated to strategies on the official CM discord, it should be open to everyone. Regulated and moderated, but open.

[Lumdor]

Nah, it would just be another shitposting channel.

[Casany]

Discord is a horrible format for creating strategy. Its not meant for long walls of text. Its meant for conversation over text. If you want to create and critique strategy use the forums guys. All I see happening is a circle jerk of people shitposting or doing nothing. Already CO's love to jack each other off, we don't need a channel where they can do it.

Plenty of regular players could probably be better than many of the COs, but just choose not to apply because they don't want to. Honestly, it's not hard at all to get the whitelist. Many people just don't care enough to apply.

But yeah, there's no need. Its just a bad idea.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

"Why a discord text channel when you could just use the forums where everyone can read it and put in suggestions? The way I see it, if you're making it a "whitelisted COs" only text channel, the only people contributing are the same people who do the generic tactics over and over again."

Couldnt agree anymore with this, its atleast what im seeing myself too.

"It's a role in 2D Spessmen, any 12yo who isn't toxic can get it. There isn't anything to "earn". Hell, it's the most lowRP role on this server, COs literally have LESS rules and standards to follow than most other roles."

This also seems to be the case, atleast from what ive been observing.The CO(Or command in whole actually) can be too slow(or doesnt at all) to broadcast and order a urgent retreat/EVAC therefore practically suiciding squad/s and have no reprecussion, not even from High Command it seems, its just treated as a "eh, whatver" by command, even if they are getting constant reports/good intel about pending flanks from the enemy.Then you have a medic possibly OD/double medic/miss a patient because of the overwhelming amount of wounded and all hell breaks loose.Sometimes being charged with insubordination for not "being close enough to their SL" or something absurd whilst trying to save countless marine lives command clearly doesnt care about.Its so backwards.

Ive heard quite a few times about a SO being battle executed in CIC for suiciding a squad, through bombing them or bad intel/orders, however most of the time its actually the CO thats inept, which creates a chain reaction of incompetence down the command chain and should actually be the one being removed or executed, no one else.

And this is all ingame/IC and you think they need a special channel to discuss how to achieve these kinds of failures? Give me a break, the handful of Commanders that currently play are stale and static and often pull the same tactics, with the same outcomes, win or loss.CO's and the rest of command officers should be more worried about actually being available ingame, listening to their radio's and watching their cameras like hawks, over having another away from game distraction like a commanders only channel...

Solutions :

Maybe make it more punishable ingame for a inept commander, as they currently dont seem to have any at all.Then they may be more focused/intune with whats actually happening on the ground.

Possibly add a slot for a on the ground commander, or obviously could just be the XO.Which reports will be acknowledged by the staff topside about the actual situation on the ground in almost realtime.Possibly even having the power of ordering/overriding a topside order on the ground if the danger level calls for a retreat or EVAC, in which a topside order of the same kind would be too late even if broadcasted.If they arent listening to the marines and SL's on the ground, maybe they will listen to a high ranking officer thats with us groundside!

[TheBeoni]

CO whitelisted Channel could be good for COs giving advice to other COs

[DriedMilk]

Staying Neutral on this, it may be fun to brag and increase your ego in a CO only channel where you only talk about your barely legal BEs and whatever.

CM maps don't allow a whole lot of startegy, and going out of the 'meta' leads to mutinies, dchat salting 'command' and quick Xeno wins.

[ExGame]

"Why a discord text channel when you could just use the forums where everyone can read it and put in suggestions? The way I see it, if you're making it a "whitelisted COs" only text channel, the only people contributing are the same people who do the generic tactics over and over again."

Couldnt agree anymore with this, its atleast what im seeing myself too.

"It's a role in 2D Spessmen, any 12yo who isn't toxic can get it. There isn't anything to "earn". Hell, it's the most lowRP role on this server, COs literally have LESS rules and standards to follow than most other roles."

This also seems to be the case, atleast from what ive been observing.The CO(Or command in whole actually) can be too slow(or doesnt at all) to broadcast and order a urgent retreat/EVAC therefore practically suiciding squad/s and have no reprecussion, not even from High Command it seems, its just treated as a "eh, whatver" by command, even if they are getting constant reports/good intel about pending flanks from the enemy.Then you have a medic possibly OD/double medic/miss a patient because of the overwhelming amount of wounded and all hell breaks loose.Sometimes being charged with insubordination for not "being close enough to their SL" or something absurd whilst trying to save countless marine lives command clearly doesnt care about.Its so backwards.

Ive heard quite a few times about a SO being battle executed in CIC for suiciding a squad, through bombing them or bad intel/orders, however most of the time its actually the CO thats inept, which creates a chain reaction of incompetence down the command chain and should actually be the one being removed or executed, no one else.

And this is all ingame/IC and you think they need a special channel to discuss how to achieve these kinds of failures? Give me a break, the handful of Commanders that currently play are stale and static and often pull the same tactics, with the same outcomes, win or loss.CO's and the rest of command officers should be more worried about actually being available ingame, listening to their radio's and watching their cameras like hawks, over having another away from game distraction like a commanders only channel...

Solutions :

Maybe make it more punishable ingame for a inept commander, as they currently dont seem to have any at all.Then they may be more focused/intune with whats actually happening on the ground.

Possibly add a slot for a on the ground commander, or obviously could just be the XO.Which reports will be acknowledged by the staff topside about the actual situation on the ground in almost realtime.Possibly even having the power of ordering/overriding a topside order on the ground if the danger level calls for a retreat or EVAC, in which a topside order of the same kind would be too late even if broadcasted.If they arent listening to the marines and SL's on the ground, maybe they will listen to a high ranking officer thats with us groundside!

A ground commander that is on the same level of authority as the commander that can override each other's orders is not a good idea at all. But this is kinda going going off-topic, since this is about the discord channel.