Petition for a CO Whitelisted Discord Text Channel.

[WinterClould]

Hey there cocksuckers,
I'm trying to put together a fuckin CO whitelist only channel on the Discord for people to put their ideas/maps/plans/fuckin anything in.
There wouldn't be shitposting or ego stroking bullshit in it, I'll be makin sure of that though my magical and fantastic Discord Moderator beat down powers. It woudl just discussion on plans and ideas on how we could possibly shift the meta away from stale "LZ-1 - Nexus FOB - Hydro FOB - Rush the river" type metas and other cool stuff we could come up with like the before mentioned maps and such!

Some of my other staff members, most importantly Apop, don't think it'll work out and that it'll promote a bad bunch of fucked up elitism. But I'm trying my best to gain some support for a trail period of a channel of this type.
One week is what I ask for. One week to prove us CO's can get our shit together and actually have a positive effect on the community beyond us just being a bunch of random shitters with no combined or coordinated doctrine between any of us.

Now all I ask you is, do you have any questions? And would you be interested? If any of ya'll got any questions do please ask me. I've been tryin to plan this out for a while and I'm pretty dedicated to making this work out should we be allowed to try it. If you aren't CO whitelisted, I mean, doesn't really effect you but you can also say something if you'd like?

[CSolaris]

Why a discord text channel when you could just use the forums where everyone can read it and put in suggestions? The way I see it, if you're making it a "whitelisted COs" only text channel, the only people contributing are the same people who do the generic tactics over and over again.

[Weaselburg]

I expect Jones to be a hot topic

[Philby0]

I agree that it's a good idea to have a place to properly discuss tactics and make them better, we'd see very different tactics with different aims.

I do agree with Apop about the fucked up elitism though. Make that channel open for everyone !

[Gnorse]

Open for everyone to see but only whitelisted COs can write ?

[Kavlo]

I don't think Commanders need their own text channel and here's why.

Generally what'll be discussed in there is plans CO's have for their rounds and that's fine and dandy to talk about that with other Commanders but you can very easily do so in #general or #shitposting. The reason predators have the #yautja channel is that if the Pred players were just in discord general giving away their tactics and plans then it'd make it easier for people to meta preds harder then they already do.
The whole point of the predator is to be it's own side in a 3 way battle on the colony with their own agenda. The COs are for the marines, it'd be similar to saying why can't the Queen mains have their own channel? There was one it was called #hive and now it's gone.
Commanders can very easily go into #general or someplace and discuss possible tactics to put it place or gimmicks they might do and you could argue "Oh but what if the xeno mains see it!" yea well that's too bad, it's not like the xenos couldn't just easily adapt to your marines pushing through the west caves in your plan or whatever it may be as they have more then enough xenos to go scouting and figure out what you're doing this round is not the meta.
But what if you don't want to talk with normal non-whitelisted players on how to play Commander because they're not Commanders? Well why not? They're the boots on the ground first line of defense they have more of an idea of how the rounds play out then you might from your armchair in the CIC why not hear them out on what they think might be a good strategy for your forces, and if you do want to talk specifically about tactics with Commanders you can always message the ones you want to actually talk to.
I don't think elitism will be that big of a deal more then it already is in CM, it's not like a lot of the common players don't have an idea in their mind of who they think is a good marine and a bad marine.

[Sleepy Retard]

I could go in depth and tell you why this is a bad idea.

Firstly. When discussing tactics and what to do, text chat isn't the perfect format. Forums work better due to being giant blocks of text

Secondly, Yautja have a pseudo-secrecy to them. Any regular will know everything they'd do but the whitelist guys want them to be "secret." Commanders are public knowledge and their plans should be public

Lastly, you wouldn't moderate it. No one would be bothered. It's a side channel that'll get almost no use

[Imperator_Titan]

I don't think Commanders need their own text channel and here's why.

Generally what'll be discussed in there is plans CO's have for their rounds and that's fine and dandy to talk about that with other Commanders but you can very easily do so in #general or #shitposting. The reason predators have the #yautja channel is that if the Pred players were just in discord general giving away their tactics and plans then it'd make it easier for people to meta preds harder then they already do.
The whole point of the predator is to be it's own side in a 3 way battle on the colony with their own agenda. The COs are for the marines, it'd be similar to saying why can't the Queen mains have their own channel? There was one it was called #hive and now it's gone.
Commanders can very easily go into #general or someplace and discuss possible tactics to put it place or gimmicks they might do and you could argue "Oh but what if the xeno mains see it!" yea well that's too bad, it's not like the xenos couldn't just easily adapt to your marines pushing through the west caves in your plan or whatever it may be as they have more then enough xenos to go scouting and figure out what you're doing this round is not the meta.
But what if you don't want to talk with normal non-whitelisted players on how to play Commander because they're not Commanders? Well why not? They're the boots on the ground first line of defense they have more of an idea of how the rounds play out then you might from your armchair in the CIC why not hear them out on what they think might be a good strategy for your forces, and if you do want to talk specifically about tactics with Commanders you can always message the ones you want to actually talk to.
I don't think elitism will be that big of a deal more then it already is in CM, it's not like a lot of the common players don't have an idea in their mind of who they think is a good marine and a bad marine.

My thoughts exactly.

[Wubs4Scrubs]

Isnt the entire point of the gitlab for discussions like this?

[Sambalu]

In my opinion, commanders don't need a special text channel. There are plenty of ways to discuss plans, and if the goal is to get marines away from the stale meta that has taken root for a while now, I feel like it would help if everyone was able to discuss that. Predators get a special channel because their mechanics are secret (at least in theory), and shouldn;t be discussed openly for everyone to see and metagame. There's nothing secret about the commander position at all. And as people have already said, would at best be secret for exactly one round, so apart from being able to stomp the hive every once in a while there wouldn't be that many advantages. And it would probably turn into a "This is the best/quickest way to win the round" discussion. I really don't think we need another whitelisted channel. Everything COs could do in there can already be done on the furms/regular discord.

[Torrentia]

Super -1

Ya'll already metaclique enough in discord and the VC. You don't need your own channel. This is inappropriate to ask for as a discord moderator.

[WinterClould]

Why a discord text channel when you could just use the forums where everyone can read it and put in suggestions? The way I see it, if you're making it a "whitelisted COs" only text channel, the only people contributing are the same people who do the generic tactics over and over again.

I've picked a Discord text Channel because its one of the places that I frequent and I know many CO's that also spend time there. The forums isn't a place that I exactly find very personal or easy to have conversations on.
The idea for us contributing tactical ideas to each other is to try and evolve the worn out overly repeated tactics into something fresh and new.

I expect Jones to be a hot topic

One of the things I had the idea that needed to be told to a few CO's is the over use of Jones in gags that quickly result in someone killed or a bad meme coming out of it.

I agree that it's a good idea to have a place to properly discuss tactics and make them better, we'd see very different tactics with different aims.

I do agree with Apop about the fucked up elitism though. Make that channel open for everyone !

There's obviously reasons to be worried about elitism but that's exactly why I want this to be on the public discord and not some other private discord that only people I know would be added to. Here we'd let anyone who wants to conribute and has the CO whitelist to be apart of things.

Open for everyone to see but only whitelisted COs can write ?

I wouldn't be against it being publicly viewable but I would want it to be only for CO's to write in so it could maintain a discipline of just being CO's talking about Role Related things.

I don't think Commanders need their own text channel and here's why.

Generally what'll be discussed in there is plans CO's have for their rounds and that's fine and dandy to talk about that with other Commanders but you can very easily do so in #general or #shitposting. The reason predators have the #yautja channel is that if the Pred players were just in discord general giving away their tactics and plans then it'd make it easier for people to meta preds harder then they already do.
The whole point of the predator is to be it's own side in a 3 way battle on the colony with their own agenda. The COs are for the marines, it'd be similar to saying why can't the Queen mains have their own channel? There was one it was called #hive and now it's gone.
Commanders can very easily go into #general or someplace and discuss possible tactics to put it place or gimmicks they might do and you could argue "Oh but what if the xeno mains see it!" yea well that's too bad, it's not like the xenos couldn't just easily adapt to your marines pushing through the west caves in your plan or whatever it may be as they have more then enough xenos to go scouting and figure out what you're doing this round is not the meta.
But what if you don't want to talk with normal non-whitelisted players on how to play Commander because they're not Commanders? Well why not? They're the boots on the ground first line of defense they have more of an idea of how the rounds play out then you might from your armchair in the CIC why not hear them out on what they think might be a good strategy for your forces, and if you do want to talk specifically about tactics with Commanders you can always message the ones you want to actually talk to.
I don't think elitism will be that big of a deal more then it already is in CM, it's not like a lot of the common players don't have an idea in their mind of who they think is a good marine and a bad marine.

General and Shitposting are really not great places to have long lasting discussions about specific topics that you want specific people to have chances to reply and interact with over periods of time longer then 10 minutes. Just about anything from a person going afk for 5 minutes to some other random uninvolved group of people wanting to have their own conversation. It's a great place over all, but not ideal for what I'd like to set up here.
For the most part Im not basing this on the Yautja channel. They have theirs for a reason but I've tried to give different reasons for the CO's to have their own. It's not just a cool kids club or some super secret no xeno mains allowed room. It's just for CO's to have a place they can talk, criticize each other and organize plans without distractions and interruptions from others who haven't been in the same position as us.

I could go in depth and tell you why this is a bad idea.

Firstly. When discussing tactics and what to do, text chat isn't the perfect format. Forums work better due to being giant blocks of text

Secondly, Yautja have a pseudo-secrecy to them. Any regular will know everything they'd do but the whitelist guys want them to be "secret." Commanders are public knowledge and their plans should be public

Lastly, you wouldn't moderate it. No one would be bothered. It's a side channel that'll get almost no use

Text Chat isn't perfect but I don't think the Forums are a better place for it.
Our plans can be public though making the channel read only for those without the whitelist
I would moderate it. I'd be bothered. It's use will be determined by other CO's willingness to join in.

Isnt the entire point of the gitlab for discussions like this?

Not really a Gitlab thing in my mind. Forums is a much better place for a petition/Q&A sort of thing like this.

In my opinion, commanders don't need a special text channel. There are plenty of ways to discuss plans, and if the goal is to get marines away from the stale meta that has taken root for a while now, I feel like it would help if everyone was able to discuss that. Predators get a special channel because their mechanics are secret (at least in theory), and shouldn;t be discussed openly for everyone to see and metagame. There's nothing secret about the commander position at all. And as people have already said, would at best be secret for exactly one round, so apart from being able to stomp the hive every once in a while there wouldn't be that many advantages. And it would probably turn into a "This is the best/quickest way to win the round" discussion. I really don't think we need another whitelisted channel. Everything COs could do in there can already be done on the furms/regular discord.

While CO's could in theory do this kind of thing in General or here on the Forums, in practice people only tried once, near the start of the whitelist, and the thread was quickly basically dead only recently looked at again by a few people viewtopic.php?f=135&t=11342
Additionally as I've said before, General is just way to General. Everyones there and everyone is using it. It has no topic other then "Stay CM related" and it frequently doesn't even do that. It would be a lot of trouble to try and maintain things there VS just having a channel for it.

Super -1

Ya'll already metaclique enough in discord and the VC. You don't need your own channel. This is inappropriate to ask for as a discord moderator.

I don't see what you mean. Most of the people in the VC aren't CO's or frequently talk about it. And I feel its exactly my place as a Discord Mod to ask for these kinds of things to try and make the Discord a more useful tool for people.

[Bancrose]

Fuck yes. Please, I'm sick of your bias towards Synth and Pred players. Like how come Synthetics got a discord tag/channel before us HARDWORKING Kommandants.

[SaltyMouthful]

As I would really like an own channel as it would feel pretty cool to have one... I don't see what would be the use of it.

Maybe it would be useful for tactics and the likes, or discussing scenarios, or perhaps for CO's to constructively criticize other COs.

*shrug

[Kavlo]

I don't see what you mean. Most of the people in the VC aren't CO's or frequently talk about it.

Most of the people in the VC aren't CO's



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[Wubs4Scrubs]

Fuck yes. Please, I'm sick of your bias towards Synth and Pred players. Like how come Synthetics got a discord tag/channel before us HARDWORKING Kommandants.

Synths do?

[Kavlo]

Synths do?

It was a temporary thing but it got removed.

[Artemis111]

Hey there cocksuckers,

If you're trying to get support maybe you shouldn't start with that as your first sentence.

In regards to getting a new discord channel, I dont see how it could hurt anyone.

+1 for 1 week trail.

[Amaxin]

I've spoken up what I think about it already in several places, but since this post is up, I might as well form my thoughts here. Right off the back I have to say that I'm against this idea - there's absolutely no need for new channels unless there's a drastic change in gameplay mechanics. But yeah, let's go step by step.

I'm trying to put together a fuckin CO whitelist only channel on the Discord for people to put their ideas/maps/plans/fuckin anything in.
There wouldn't be shitposting or ego stroking bullshit in it, I'll be makin sure of that though my magical and fantastic Discord Moderator beat down powers. It woudl just discussion on plans and ideas on how we could possibly shift the meta away from stale "LZ-1 - Nexus FOB - Hydro FOB - Rush the river" type metas and other cool stuff we could come up with like the before mentioned maps and such!

Considering how the CO whitelisting process is more of a popularity contest than it is an actual whitelist, I cannot imagine how it'd be "ego stroking bullshit" free. Looking at how much few certain people I won't name were showing off with their commander status on the Discord, mchat and dchat, I simply don't see that happen - and now those people inquire for a special tag on the Discord to get even more bling.

On top of that, we have the #general channel where you can discuss your "strategies" and try to break from the stale meta - it's not like the commander role is single player based like yautja, which channel you mentioned earlier on the Discord. The entire marine force executes your plan, they watch it, obey it (or not), critique it. What's the point in hiding it in your secluded, ego inflating space?

Some of my other staff members, most importantly Apop, don't think it'll work out and that it'll promote a bad bunch of fucked up elitism. But I'm trying my best to gain some support for a trail period of a channel of this type.

Because that's exactly what it will bring - elitism. Nothing more and nothing less, I don't think I need to address it a lot. And if you're aware that it will not work and you want a "trial period" for it, why make it in the first place.

One week is what I ask for. One week to prove us CO's can get our shit together and actually have a positive effect on the community beyond us just being a bunch of random shitters with no combined or coordinated doctrine between any of us.

One week is enough for this chat to live it's life, it's enough for the people to say their "oh cool there's a CO channel now" and share their "advanced strategies" (which are mostly borderline improper BE's and showing off with them). And then the channel dies out of natural causes, unable to get revived because there's simply no content to be put there.

[Omicega]

There's no need for either a CO or synthetic channel for reasons basically already outlined above. Synthetics in particular don't really have anything to talk about specifically with each other except for stroking each other off or potentially asking each other about rules, which is something #staff-help already covers to a more concrete and complete level than asking your fellow synthetics what their opinion on something is. COs would have a more legitimate reason for it except they can already do most of that in #general and, yeah, by this point I'm already repeating stuff said above.

[Cry of Wolves]

The excuse of they can talk about it in #general is easy to counter by looking at how often it gets cluttered and each topic gets replaced by a new one every 5 seconds. You can't even hold a conversation about xenos before it goes back to the Marine circle jerk. The whole idea that CO's would circle jerk themselves is just a poor reason. Meta cliques is also a very very poor excuse. There is only one commander per round, there are commanders that want to criticize how another commander handles Ice Colony and Vice Versa. Give it a week, give it some time to settle in unlike the many things we literally try for a day before we remove it and never consider it again. (Synths)

[Bancrose]

I often enjoy discussing tactics with Sleepy, Tal, Danny, Balto, Bill, Christine, and the other whitelisted commander about tactics, and what new things we could think of in terms of strategies for new maps and discuss composition for squads

The reason why people like Darla and EVERYONE who is NOT whitelisted CO's don't like this, is because they don't truly understand the position we play. The things we might discuss and how enjoyable it is for us to have a place to constructively talk about things us whitelisted Commander deal with daily.

If it has some sort of benefit for the Predator players, I imagine it would be good for even us CO's as we finally have a place to talk without some guy talking about

The reason Kavlo we cannot just discuss in the regular channels because we got Karmac and Gabo posting memes in both and the topics get cluttered OFTEN.

Edited - For you Grammar Nazis

[taketheshot56]

Indeed, we sometimes have long winded command discussions only to be constantly interrupted by regular marines, predators have their special channel so should we!

[DriedMilk]

The reason Kavlo we cannot just discuss in the regular channels because we got Karmac and Gabo posting memes in both and the topics get cluttered OFTEN.

I'm banned tho, no more memes (for now).

[kooarbiter]

Open for everyone to see but only whitelisted COs can write ?

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