Civilians and Disrespect

[Lyiat]

"The Commander of the USS Almayer and all its crew are not above UCMJ, Procedures, or Code of Conduct. UCMJ also applies to all personnel who are in the vicinity of a USCM Operation or on board a ship. The only exceptions are Diplomatically Immune Weyland-Yutani Executives (not including the on-board Liaison) and specially dispatched officials from High Command who have exception to authority for emergency matters"
Right at the very top of the Marine Law page.

Personnel - Noun - people employed in an organization or engaged in an organized undertaking such as military service.

It says personnel, not 'persons'. Survivors are not personnel as they are not employed by the USMC or by the ship. Marine Law doesn't apply to them. While I certianly do not think they should be allowed to run free and do whatever the hell they want, you can't apply military laws to non-military citizens. There's actually protections AGAINST that in the real world. Civilian Codes of Conduct should be drafted, imo.

[Jonesome]

Actually not to be a smartarse, but the UCMJ does apply to civilians irl as well.

[Lyiat]

Actually not to be a smartarse, but the UCMJ does apply to civilians irl as well.

.... Yes, because I recall the last time I stepped on board a naval vessel I was immediately arrested because my girlfriend serves under me as an artist which is directly against the penal codes of fraternization?

No, no they do not. The MEJA covers civilians dealing with the military. There are provisions that are included in the USMJ that refer to civilians who are working with the military in times of war and what laws apply to them, but civilians rescued in a dangerous situation aren't working 'with' the military in any form.

[Shuffl3]

Something like MEJA mechanically wouldn't be a bad idea. If we said that civilians could only be charged for crimes with a punishment over a certain amount of time it could allow them freedom from the minutia we expect the military personnel to observe without having to complicate the legal environment with another set of Laws.

I think that, alongside amending Command Authorized Arrests to cover any person and some way to exclude clearly hostile groups from a Marine Law that is applied universally, could neatly tie up all the loose ends.

kek, make the laws that civilians would be excluded from HR issues. CL could have some fun with those.

[Jonesome]

There are provisions that are included in the USMJ that refer to civilians who are working with the military in times of war and what laws apply to them, but civilians rescued in a dangerous situation aren't working 'with' the military in any form.

That's what I was talking about..... smartarse

Also since most of the colonists usually end up working in one of the Almayer departments anyway, as either a doctor or engineer, we can just assume that the UCMJ applies to them as well.

[Skimmy2]

Something like MEJA mechanically wouldn't be a bad idea. If we said that civilians could only be charged for crimes with a punishment over a certain amount of time it could allow them freedom from the minutia we expect the military personnel to observe without having to complicate the legal environment with another set of Laws.

I think that, alongside amending Command Authorized Arrests to cover any person and some way to exclude clearly hostile groups from a Marine Law that is applied universally, could neatly tie up all the loose ends.

kek, make the laws that civilians would be excluded from HR issues. CL could have some fun with those.

Its probably best to not interprete too specific when Marine Law says "Marine" as then you have the issue of Theft only being illegal when you steal from Marines.

[Shuffl3]

Its probably best to not interprete too specific when Marine Law says "Marine" as then you have the issue of Theft only being illegal when you steal from Marines.

Ha! I didnt even notice that. Civilians cant be charged with Theft and they aren't even protected from False Arrest. Just arrest them for whatever, whenever you want. Don't harm em though or yer fucked.

The age of Pedantry is nigh.

Marine Law could use a re-write.