Why u hate MP

[Philby0]

Sara put a marine behind brig for 60 minutes on multiple stacked accounts of disrespect in brig -facts

If you get that high for disrespect, it's that you were warned that it stacks and deliberately kept on insulting to be edgy.
That marine deserved every minute they spent in.

He was reported but I am not even sure he had any issues as he was still online at the end of the round. And I wouldn't dare doing a report as last report I did (pred report) was denied and used against me for my pred app.
So I'd rather not report on the forum that kind of stuff, just in case, you know. Usually fells back on a square of your forehead.

Yeah, reports shouldn't backfire. And admins should stop all that "banned for false report" rule too, as most of the time it's used against people who thought they were right. There are loads of reports that never get written because of this.

[Vispain]

MPs are duty bound to enforce every law and go after any law breaking.

In regards to stacking disrespect. Look marine. You don't want big time? Stop insulting a superior. Yes, MPs are superiors. You don't like that or believe that matters? Too bad, you are just a Pfc and my rank, key word there, is SSGT.

[NoahKirchner]

Can't tell if this is trolling.
There isn't one single law that if broken would automatically get you banned, there is ALWAYS a way to break the laws without being banned.

Even the ERP rule states an example of how to get brigged for sexual assault without getting banned, so which laws are you talking about ?

Surely, there ARE ways to do some of these things without getting banned, but even things like hooliganism and disorderly conduct (which will only ever really occur at roundstart, when the marines are aboard the ship because they are the rabble), will get you banned or warned by staff for starting stuff at roundstart. Sure, you can get arrested for sexual assault without ERPing, but even the things that could skirt the line on it are also skirting the line on ERP and will probably get you bwoinked anyways. That said, I do agree with this state of affairs for ERP.

As far as things like murder go, any fight which escalates to murder is generally against the rules, but really the only crimes to ever routinely come up are regarding conduct unbecoming, hooliganism and other such crimes, most of which will get you talked to by an admin if they go far enough. That's not to say that this is bad on it's own, but it's certainly bad, in my opinion, that the MPs don't have more responsibilities and instead are occupied by silly laws which cause them to annoy marines putting on attachments with their rifles out or going around briefing rooms looking for unsecured equipment 3 minutes into the round.

[Avalanchee]

Sara put a marine behind brig for 60 minutes on multiple stacked accounts of disrespect in brig -facts

You basically said why.
If you do something twice it will double your sentence.
If you continue, well fuck.

[Loco52]

You basically said why.
If you do something twice it will double your sentence.
If you continue, well fuck.

What I say here is why say an MP that gives people 10 minutes for every "fuck you" is nice yet the MP who enforces uniform rules and is mocked by the guy who he is brigging is shitcurity. That's just personality cult

[Blade2000Br]

He was reported but I am not even sure he had any issues as he was still online at the end of the round. And I wouldn't dare doing a report as last report I did (pred report) was denied and used against me for my pred app.
So I'd rather not report on the forum that kind of stuff, just in case, you know. Usually fells back on a square of your forehead.

viewtopic.php?f=71&t=15784 this very report is a example of a well made report.

If you see a CMP/MP thinking they can just do whatever or try become a wannabe CJ without actually following the marine law, the report won't be held agaisn't you and will more likely be thanked as you helped in reduce the MP shittery.

[Royal Griffon]

reduce the MP shittery.

PTSD of rounds with bald MPs who didn't even strip the prisoner of their ID allowing for some to escape

[Avalanchee]

What I say here is why say an MP that gives people 10 minutes for every "fuck you" is nice yet the MP who enforces uniform rules and is mocked by the guy who he is brigging is shitcurity. That's just personality cult

Well, being arrested for disrespect is your own stupidity and I was never brigged for improper uniform by Sarah.
You are probably doing something wrong.

[Royal Griffon]

Well, being arrested for disrespect is your own stupidity and I was never brigged for improper uniform by Sarah.
You are probably doing something wrong.

Sarah arrests people? I never knew

[Philby0]

Surely, there ARE ways to do some of these things without getting banned, but even things like hooliganism and disorderly conduct (which will only ever really occur at roundstart, when the marines are aboard the ship because they are the rabble), will get you banned or warned by staff for starting stuff at roundstart. Sure, you can get arrested for sexual assault without ERPing, but even the things that could skirt the line on it are also skirting the line on ERP and will probably get you bwoinked anyways. That said, I do agree with this state of affairs for ERP.

As far as things like murder go, any fight which escalates to murder is generally against the rules, but really the only crimes to ever routinely come up are regarding conduct unbecoming, hooliganism and other such crimes, most of which will get you talked to by an admin if they go far enough. That's not to say that this is bad on it's own, but it's certainly bad, in my opinion, that the MPs don't have more responsibilities and instead are occupied by silly laws which cause them to annoy marines putting on attachments with their rifles out or going around briefing rooms looking for unsecured equipment 3 minutes into the round.

Fair enough, I get your point. There should be a restriction on charge stacking, something like "One crime can only be one charge". MPs then couldn't decide that one silly thing is insubordination+disrespect+neglect+hooliganism+disorderly conduct.
I don't know about the whitelisting CMP some people want. It would work but it'd be a hassle for everyone.

At least MPs are still better than vanilla sec

[Crab_Spider]

I have no hatred towards MPs. Just like security on Yogstation, I wont give them shit unless theyre going way out of proportion. Ive been in plenty of experiences to know that stress and I've been on the recieving end of very stupid shit to know this— if youre going to be an idiot, take it elsewhere and keep quiet.

When there are shitty players like Max Knight, who openly admit to hating players that have an enjoyment in a certain role, who are just trying to ACTUALLY do their jobs— it just makes you wonder a few things.

/shrug

[Crab_Spider]

Yeah that's what I meant. Accident happens and everything isn't black or white. I won't quote a marvellous MP commonly named Crabb, but if you click on a MP by mistake with something in your hand and just go, "Oh shit, sorry, didn't intend to do that." well the cop isn't going to fucking jail you right out of his sight.

Motherfucker that was 7 months ago

[NoahKirchner]

Fair enough, I get your point. There should be a restriction on charge stacking, something like "One crime can only be one charge". MPs then couldn't decide that one silly thing is insubordination+disrespect+neglect+hooliganism+disorderly conduct.
I don't know about the whitelisting CMP some people want. It would work but it'd be a hassle for everyone.

At least MPs are still better than vanilla sec

I think the solution is just a rewrite of marine law, honestly. I don't see the need for disorderly conduct when you also have hooliganism, because hooliganism will always = disorderly conduct but not vice versa, theoretically. Insubordination and neglect are pretty similar too, or at least can often be applied in the vast majority of cases. If you refuse a direct order to do something, that is simultaneously insubordination and neglect of duty, when it should really just be insubordination because of your refusal, and simply not doing necessary jobs would be neglect. I also don't see why disrespect is a crime in and of itself, when it would make a lot more sense to be a modifier to a crime without the ability to stack. Like for example, if you are insubordinate and you call your CO an "absolute mongoloid retard" it could certainly add 5 or 10 minutes to your time, but every subsequent perceived disrespect to the arresting officer is a bit extreme.

It would also be nice to give them an SOP for when no crimes are committed, like ensuring that the CL doesn't overly undermine USCMC operations (which could be a really neat conflict, the MPs trying to dig into the CL's doings without breaking marine law or letting him know, and the CL needing to hide his dastardly distasteful deeds from the MPs)

and vanilla sec is great, you get to gas then space people in perma

[Dolth]

Motherfucker that was 7 months ago

OH WOW TOXICITY REPORT HELP ME I CAN'T WHISTAND THE INSULT ARGHHH I MEEEEEEEEELTRGRGGH-... Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk ded.

Yeah I know that was just way beyond bullshit lol. And that's honestly a real good example of what MP often do.

[Loco52]

Well, being arrested for disrespect is your own stupidity and I was never brigged for improper uniform by Sarah.
You are probably doing something wrong.

Most of the times a guy is arrested for improper uniform (by me) is because:

a) He outright says something like fuck the police or
b) Wants to be a smartass then gets his gear on and off on and off or
c) Runs, usually previously followed by a "cunt" "fuck you" "hell no" or the likes

[Casany]

Right now MPs are, in a word, the big gay.

Honestly though, most MPs I never have a problem with. I haven’t been bwoinked or been arrested in almost a year. I just don’t mess with MPs or toe the line.

BUT, with that said I also have a problem with all the unneeded laws. Like Hoolaganism for example. Also, how MPs can stack the most innane bullshit to get some marine who broke a window and said fuck the police to serve 60 minutes. Yeah it’s shitty but 60 minutes is just too much. I like regular SS13 sec because if you eat arrested you USUALLY aren’t gonna have to spend an hour in jail with nothing to do. But here if you get arrested for ANYTHING you better just prepare to alt tab and watch a podcast because you arent getting out for at least 20 minutes.

[Avalanchee]

Most of the times a guy is arrested for improper uniform (by me) is because:

a) He outright says something like fuck the police or
b) Wants to be a smartass then gets his gear on and off on and off or
c) Runs, usually previously followed by a "cunt" "fuck you" "hell no" or the likes

If you arrest someone for saying fuck the police you are a joke.
If you arrest someone for taking his gear on and off you are a horrible joke. If you take off your armor you get a massive speed boost and M3 Pattern armor has a really shitty armor values. A great strategy to get to place B from place A in a short time
Arresting someone for saying cunt isn't improper uniform.

[Crab_Spider]

If you arrest someone for saying fuck the police you are a joke.
If you arrest someone for taking his gear on and off you are a horrible joke. If you take off your armor you get a massive speed boost and M3 Pattern armor has a really shitty armor values. A great strategy to get to place B from place A in a short time
Arresting someone for saying cunt isn't improper uniform.

Stop...just no...stop right there.

[Dolth]

Well he's right for the uniform part.

Edit: Actually no. But not wearing a helmet is fine, according to the marine law.

[DeusMortis]

Well he's right for the uniform part.

Edit: Actually no. But not wearing a helmet is fine, according to the marine law.

As long as you have an approved alternative.

Although some laws (Unsecured Equipment) aren't the best ones, not getting arrested is incredibly easy.

[Loco52]

If you arrest someone for saying fuck the police you are a joke.
If you arrest someone for taking his gear on and off you are a horrible joke. If you take off your armor you get a massive speed boost and M3 Pattern armor has a really shitty armor values. A great strategy to get to place B from place A in a short time
Arresting someone for saying cunt isn't improper uniform.

Lol so doing your job as an MP is a joke. Nope, they go together, also, you can take your armor off planetside but don't break rules shipside or you'll have no ground to complain OOCly. Either do what the MPs tell you at first warning or accept you're gonna get brigged for being a dick rather than not having your helmet on.

[Sargeantmuffinman]

I don't hate Mps becauses I don't get in trouble with them.
Do you know why?

Becauses I'm not doing anything like some fucking idiot that bothers them.

[Clutch]

because fuck em and their griefing behavior, @awan the wannabe @jackknight

[Martzin]

There's alotta shitty MPs out there. You'd be surprised how many newbies choose MP as their role on their first round of CM. Baldie MPs are a thing, yknow.
And the fact that they're all hard-asses after the nu-marine laws were added, so its natural for marines to hate them. No fun allowed when they're around.

[Skimmy2]

There's alotta shitty MPs out there. You'd be surprised how many newbies choose MP as their role on their first round of CM. Baldie MPs are a thing, yknow.
And the fact that they're all hard-asses after the nu-marine laws were added, so its natural for marines to hate them. No fun allowed when they're around.

You're in the military, fun was never allowed.
Please join the next working party.