THE GLORIOUS REVOLUTION! ANDERS OVERTHROWS THE BOURGEOIS

[Royal Griffon]

Just another round, I didn't feel like being CMP cause I thought maybe Owen or someone would grab it and I wanted to not stress over command and police radio chatter so I went MP. Big mistake as a poor soul who didn't quite know the CMP job it seems got CMP and couldn't really handle the stress. Soon he had a tank crew arrested cough Reginald Dempsey cough for assault with a deadly weapon at the beginning of an op due to a misfire and somehow apparently a marine got hit from my perspective, Reginald didn't do it on purpose so I slapped him on the wrist, gave him a minor weapon's violation and confiscated the weapon. I put him for released to show he was at least a past offender and walked away. (OOC wise I knew he wasn't gonna live long enough to commit another crime so I was ready to shrug it off.)
Next thing you know I'm getting someone throwing the book marine law at me saying the WO told me I need to read it even more than I already have playing MP countless times, so I got a bit salty, and then like 3 or 4 MPs go and arrest Reginald for assault and add a bunch of shit to his charges, charge stacking basically and arrest Emily Horowitz as well for basically just standing there.
Well I had already customized my gear and renamed the holy bible from the chapel "The Communist Manifesto," so I was joking around cause I knew Lordington was Reginald and so after he finally got an appeal from the XO which the WO tried to override but refused, I handed him the bible and asked if he'd convert. It sadly failed and I will continue to try just so I can have the honour of saying, "I converted Lordington to Communism." Anyways Reginald began to write a formal complaint, I myself was about to anyways and but I wanted a victim of the bald CMP and other MPs to write it just so it would feel better. After he gave me the letter I had to sneak into the WO's office and faxed it to high command. Where I then got the surprise of my game and my day, "CMP DEMOTION/MP PROMOTION," CMP is to be demoted and Mikey Anders is to be the new CMP. When I gave another MP the note he said we had to demote the CMP and claimed, "ANDERS IS NOW THE CMP," to which the old CMP hit me with a taser, literally hit me with his taser. So I hit him with The People's Will and 3 of us begin to strap hand cuffs to him as Emily Horowitz screams, "OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOIS," and I take over as CMP dawning my new CMP armor and naming it, "Communist Proof," and the CMP uniform, "The Communist Revolution."
At which point an admeme PM'ed me and told me to hold still I had a local midi incoming
https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs
This is the song that played and I haven't laughed so hard in 2018 or at all that I nearly fell out of my chair and ran around the Alaymer screaming, "THE REVOLUTION IS HERE," as that song played
10/10 would overthrow the bourgeois again.
<3 admemes

[Royal Griffon]

I am also very honoured that admemes put me in charge after all, I did enjoy the rest of the round and even escaped planetside I did feel bad for the poor soul who probably didn't know what they were doing very well but they probably shouldn't have done CMP, it's a hit or miss as well for CMP and that round was a oof

[contactdenied]

Snatching the role of CMP from the bourgeois as always


filthy thief

[Royal Griffon]

THE REVOLUTION CONTINUES

[ghost120]

Revoultion is ineffective as Mikey is still the only commie aboard the Ayyylmayer

[Royal Griffon]

Revoultion is ineffective as Mikey is still the only commie aboard the Ayyylmayer

I'm slowly converting people
They will know the true power and be my disciples

[Vispain]

Negatory. You've already been arrested for it once. I detect several more arrests in the future with my...MP future vision (tm)

[Royal Griffon]

I do not count that as a arrest as it was improper and I had no evidence against me

[Royal Griffon]

Negatory. You've already been arrested for it once. I detect several more arrests in the future with my...MP future vision (tm)

Ahem sorry didn't quote ya there

[Vispain]

Ok couple things I'd like to address...

The situation with Reginald was handled badly.

The CMP did nothing this round though except be incompetent, put Horowitz in for additional time on a false arrest of Assault, and blabber incoherently. I took the initiative and went to resolve the Reginald issue upon which I ended up finding out Horowitz pushed him which caused a misfire that hit the other TC.

Confiscating the gun of Reginald was good however the issue is … Reginald shot someone.

So, Assault with Deadly for Reginald on minimum time as well as a Minor Weapons Violation warning. Minor Weapons Violation as he did discharge his weapon. Since Reginald had previously been given Minor Weapons Violation I didn't pursue it in my review of the case. Assault with Deadly was for the shooting of another person, albeit by accident. As MP law states Assault with Deadly as "To threaten or use physical force against someone with a lethal weapon, such as a sidearm, blade, or rifle" I found he broke this law. Nowhere in that does it mention INTENT. Only if it occurred. As a MP is obligated by server and Marine Law to uphold every law I was duty bound to prosecute Reginald for Assault with Deadly. The minimum time reflected the lack of intent he had. On the flip side, he must've had his gun out for a push to cause a gun to go off which means it was a Minor Weapon Violation. Since the Minor Weapons Violation was already given I dealt with Reginald's Assault with Deadly.

Horowitz, as she pushed him, did not conduct her job to her proper standards so I opted to give her Neglect of Duty as not performing up to par fits in the lines of that charge. She even admitted to that when asked.

Now, here is the problem. Everyone was communicating REALLY fast and I was taking lead while the other MPs watched or bickered. Including you Anders. Suddenly, one MP abruptly tased Reginald. This was uncalled for. However, he was still to be arrested and I myself was about to order Reginald on the ground so I corrected the issue of improper procedure by well giving proper procedure myself. MEANWHILE at the SAME time the Tank Driver got BACK in his tank and started running over a MP and trying to interrupt the arrest. At one point they even said, "Get in Reginald" or something to that effect. While I was unable to at that moment I later set the driver for arrest as well after fully determining if a MP was run over. The driver was set to arrest on charges of Assault with Deadly ( they ran over a MP with the tank) and Interfering with an Arrest.

No charge stacking every occurred. Charge stacking implies that Reginald or Horowitz got more time than deserved and was processed improperly multiple times. I'll tell you what charge stacking looks like.
If I, or others, were to charge stack it would've been for Horowitz a Neglect of Duty and Hooliganism charge and Reginald would've gotten Assault with Deadly, Conduct Unbecoming, and Minor Weapons Violation. That did not occur though. Reginald got off light. In retrospect he also could've gotten Conduct Unbecoming but...my bad. I didn't process him fully due to a brief SSD period, it wasn't his fault in the first place, the chaos of fixing to get rid of and deal with a bald CMP, and badly handled initial case. I fixed the issue best I could with all laws broken being addressed within marine law to the best of my ability.

Reginald was processed improperly by Anders first and later by I believe MP Walker when he was tased without proper procedure. He did shoot another person (albeit by accident) and Anders only gave him the penalty for a weapons discharge, but not the penalty for shooting another person. As such, I administered proper procedure by planning to have him arrested only for Walker to botch it with a improper arrest (or not...you could say Reginald was not being compliant). No matter the case, Reginald was arrested for 20 minutes on the charge of Assault with Deadly. Horowitz was processed INITIALLY properly by me and given Neglect of Duty on minimum time for the aforementioned reasons. Later, the CMP improperly gave her an additional assault charge which I was actually going to address by sending a report to HC regarding the CMP and requesting demotion of the CMP only for me to walk in and find the other MPs submitted a rushed report and got the reply back.
Mind you, while these events were occurring Walker was run over by the other TC who got back in his tank and blatantly ran over him. That escalated the scene immeasurably. Said TC later used the tank to block the brig and even threatened to not head down to the planet until TC Reginald was released (which he already was released at that point )

I also had to go SSD for around 10-15 minutes after I resolved the issue and Horowitz and Reginald were given times and put in the brig which didn't help my attempt at the solving of the MANY issues that were up and about including : Horowitz and Reginald issue, the interfering and assaulting TC in a tank, bald CMP, a annoyed rushing XO, a MP with commie named gear, improper procedure, and a divided MP force on the case.

[Royal Griffon]

Ok couple things I'd like to address...

The situation with Reginald was handled badly.

The CMP did nothing this round though except be incompetent, put Horowitz in for additional time on a false arrest of Assault, and blabber incoherently. I took the initiative and went to resolve the Reginald issue upon which I ended up finding out Horowitz pushed him which caused a misfire that hit the other TC.

Confiscating the gun of Reginald was good however the issue is … Reginald shot someone.

So, Assault with Deadly for Reginald on minimum time as well as a Minor Weapons Violation warning. Minor Weapons Violation as he did discharge his weapon. Since Reginald had previously been given Minor Weapons Violation I didn't pursue it in my review of the case. Assault with Deadly was for the shooting of another person, albeit by accident. As MP law states Assault with Deadly as "To threaten or use physical force against someone with a lethal weapon, such as a sidearm, blade, or rifle" I found he broke this law. Nowhere in that does it mention INTENT. Only if it occurred. As a MP is obligated by server and Marine Law to uphold every law I was duty bound to prosecute Reginald for Assault with Deadly. The minimum time reflected the lack of intent he had. On the flip side, he must've had his gun out for a push to cause a gun to go off which means it was a Minor Weapon Violation. Since the Minor Weapons Violation was already given I dealt with Reginald's Assault with Deadly.

Horowitz, as she pushed him, did not conduct her job to her proper standards so I opted to give her Neglect of Duty as not performing up to par fits in the lines of that charge. She even admitted to that when asked.

Now, here is the problem. Everyone was communicating REALLY fast and I was taking lead while the other MPs watched or bickered. Including you Anders. Suddenly, one MP abruptly tased Reginald. This was uncalled for. However, he was still to be arrested and I myself was about to order Reginald on the ground so I corrected the issue of improper procedure by well giving proper procedure myself. MEANWHILE at the SAME time the Tank Driver got BACK in his tank and started running over a MP and trying to interrupt the arrest. At one point they even said, "Get in Reginald" or something to that effect. While I was unable to at that moment I later set the driver for arrest as well after fully determining if a MP was run over. The driver was set to arrest on charges of Assault with Deadly ( they ran over a MP with the tank) and Interfering with an Arrest.

No charge stacking every occurred. Charge stacking implies that Reginald or Horowitz got more time than deserved and was processed improperly multiple times. I'll tell you what charge stacking looks like.
If I, or others, were to charge stack it would've been for Horowitz a Neglect of Duty and Hooliganism charge and Reginald would've gotten Assault with Deadly, Conduct Unbecoming, and Minor Weapons Violation. That did not occur though. Reginald got off light. In retrospect he also could've gotten Conduct Unbecoming but...my bad. I didn't process him fully due to a brief SSD period, it wasn't his fault in the first place, the chaos of fixing to get rid of and deal with a bald CMP, and badly handled initial case. I fixed the issue best I could with all laws broken being addressed within marine law to the best of my ability.

Reginald was processed improperly by Anders first and later by I believe MP Walker when he was tased without proper procedure. He did shoot another person (albeit by accident) and Anders only gave him the penalty for a weapons discharge, but not the penalty for shooting another person. As such, I administered proper procedure by planning to have him arrested only for Walker to botch it with a improper arrest (or not...you could say Reginald was not being compliant). No matter the case, Reginald was arrested for 20 minutes on the charge of Assault with Deadly. Horowitz was processed INITIALLY properly by me and given Neglect of Duty on minimum time for the aforementioned reasons. Later, the CMP improperly gave her an additional assault charge which I was actually going to address by sending a report to HC regarding the CMP and requesting demotion of the CMP only for me to walk in and find the other MPs submitted a rushed report and got the reply back.
Mind you, while these events were occurring Walker was run over by the other TC who got back in his tank and blatantly ran over him. That escalated the scene immeasurably. Said TC later used the tank to block the brig and even threatened to not head down to the planet until TC Reginald was released (which he already was released at that point )

I also had to go SSD for around 10-15 minutes after I resolved the issue and Horowitz and Reginald were given times and put in the brig which didn't help my attempt at the solving of the MANY issues that were up and about including : Horowitz and Reginald issue, the interfering and assaulting TC in a tank, bald CMP, a annoyed rushing XO, a MP with commie named gear, improper procedure, and a divided MP force on the case.

I was told he didn't shoot anyone and nobody came to me with evidence proving he did indeed shoot someone, in fact nobody came forward as a victim, an MP was told, "someone got shot," by a random marine when a gun went off, that's nothing of evidence, that's why I couldn't really brig him for assault with a deadly weapon, I kept saying this too, plus excuse me it's the beginning of a round and it's highly unlikely that their bullet hit ANYONE cause then everyone would be shooting in that direction. Plus the inaccuracy of it, they were struggling, probably one handed and got a random round off in a general direction, all it takes is someone screaming in order for someone to say, "Someone got shot," randomly to an MP, and we don't even know if that round was the round that, "shot," someone. It just wasn't enough evidence to arrest in my opinion, in fact he admitted it went off, but even I doubted he shot someone, so I did what I do best, find a solution, a gun went off, minor weapon violation, confiscate the weapon. Basically a, "don't do it again," then you come up and act like you're a god of law and well. You start arresting everyone, the situation was already dealt with but you escalated it even more by trying to be the hero MP of the day. That all could've been avoided if you just let that, "improper processing," go cause there wasn't enough evidence to back it up, especially since you put him in for 20+ minutes, which is illegal saying you can legally only give 10 minutes without evidence so I've been told. So what did I do, I let Reginald go cause he got an appeal and the CMP was trying to delay. Let him write his complaint, then faxed it. Where they promoted me as CMP and we overthrew the CMP, the whole situation started cause you wanted to continually arrest someone and some random guy said to a random MP, "someone got shot," which could've been anything, for example sometimes MT's or just Emily in general would scream when a gunshot goes off. This can be mistaken as someone getting shot, so I highly doubt it was anything more than a minor weapon's violation. Which escalated beyond what it needed to be, to in the end where I got the USSR National Anthem playing for me

[Vispain]

I was told he didn't shoot anyone and nobody came to me with evidence proving he did indeed shoot someone, in fact nobody came forward as a victim, an MP was told, "someone got shot," by a random marine when a gun went off, that's nothing of evidence, that's why I couldn't really brig him for assault with a deadly weapon, I kept saying this too, plus excuse me it's the beginning of a round and it's highly unlikely that their bullet hit ANYONE cause then everyone would be shooting in that direction. Plus the inaccuracy of it, they were struggling, probably one handed and got a random round off in a general direction, all it takes is someone screaming in order for someone to say, "Someone got shot," randomly to an MP, and we don't even know if that round was the round that, "shot," someone. It just wasn't enough evidence to arrest in my opinion, in fact he admitted it went off, but even I doubted he shot someone, so I did what I do best, find a solution, a gun went off, minor weapon violation, confiscate the weapon. Basically a, "don't do it again," then you come up and act like you're a god of law and well. You start arresting everyone, the situation was already dealt with but you escalated it even more by trying to be the hero MP of the day. That all could've been avoided if you just let that, "improper processing," go cause there wasn't enough evidence to back it up, especially since you put him in for 20+ minutes, which is illegal saying you can legally only give 10 minutes without evidence so I've been told. So what did I do, I let Reginald go cause he got an appeal and the CMP was trying to delay. Let him write his complaint, then faxed it. Where they promoted me as CMP and we overthrew the CMP, the whole situation started cause you wanted to continually arrest someone and some random guy said to a random MP, "someone got shot," which could've been anything, for example sometimes MT's or just Emily in general would scream when a gunshot goes off. This can be mistaken as someone getting shot, so I highly doubt it was anything more than a minor weapon's violation. Which escalated beyond what it needed to be, to in the end where I got the USSR National Anthem playing for me

I solved the issue. You mentioned he shot someone on MP comms due to an accident and you only gave them minor weapons violation so I felt something was off with how you handled it. In fact, until you mentioned how you handled the situation I had no plans to involve myself in your case nor did I give a shit.
Upon realizing something didn't feel right and you didn't go after a crime he should've been prosecuted for I went to them I both got him to confirm and Horowitz confirmed this in civil discussion. Furthermore the TC who was shot confirmed it as well. IN short I got the full story for myself and realized you didn't prosecute a crime. You call me the "Hero MP" who escalated it to place blame on me but what I did was clear up a initial fuckup that shouldn't have happened under your watch.

Hell you even said in a earlier post you decided to not go after a crime as OOC you knew he'd die pretty soon. First of all, that is both OOC and not following marine law. IC and OOC I don't give a shit if they'll die 5 minutes or 1 hour from now. As a MP what I care about is: Did they commit a crime. The severity of the crime and details. If I arrest them and they are in custody are they secure, watched and protected should the need arise. I go after the case, figure it out, and arrest with proper procedure if need be. A MP shouldn't be Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to marine law because they understand someone is going to die later.
A MP is BOUND to go after every crime they know of. Instead of going in guns blazing per se I got the facts from the very people involved and realized...you didn't do the case complete.
If being the "Hero MP' is being the guy hated for doing his job and following server rules and marine law … well... so be it. I don't play MP to be loved. I play it to do my job. There was even a point I played it so hard I became a little more shit than I'd like. I stopped then as I realized that. Now I go MP to do what I wanted originally from it. What I did this round was absolutely what needed to be done.

Evidence wise, that's subjective and barely mentioned in Marine Law ...but if you really want to get into that... they confessed. I try to get as much evidence as possible and well...
Detaining is 10 minutes max for finding evidence in regards to Command Ordered arrests. This was not one. Even if I was detaining them that'd just be a search straight up. Anyways. I even had their confessions and evidence from them telling me what happened

Likely the midi was in reference to your commie stuff and the "overthrow" of the CMP not the arrest of Reginald and Horowitz.

Also, do you truly believe, "That all could've been avoided if you just let that, "improper processing," go cause there wasn't enough evidence to back it up, especially since you put him in for 20+ minutes, which is illegal saying you can legally only give 10 minutes without evidence so I've been told. So what did I do, I let Reginald go cause he got an appeal and the CMP was trying to delay." It was improper processing because of you. There was evidence after I heard multiple testimonies pointing to Reginald actually shooting his fellow TC due to Horowitz. Also, you are referencing Command Requested Arrests...now if I remember correctly a Command Requested Arrest has to be issued by an officer. Here is a direct quote below. Nowhere else does it mention detaining people for 10 minutes. MPs having to find evidence for crimes over ten minutes as according to what you have stated is absolute bollocks. Nowhere is that mentioned except Command Requested Arrests.

Command Requested Arrests
"If the Commander, Acting Commander, or a Staff Officer requests a marine to be arrested for a crime, you MUST arrest said marine. You may hold the marine for a maximum of 10 minutes while evidence is gathered. If the marine is proven innocent of all accused crimes in the end, the requesting officer may be held liable for a False Arrest charge. If there are crimes committed as a result of a false charge (i.e. resisting arrest) the time will be served, and the time will also be added to the False Arrest charge time. "

[Royal Griffon]

I solved the issue. You mentioned he shot someone on MP comms due to an accident and you only gave them minor weapons violation so I felt something was off. I went to them I both got him to confirm and Horowitz confirmed this. Furthermore the TC who was shot confirmed it as well. IN short I got the full story for myself and realized you didn't prosecute a crime. You call me the "Hero MP" who escalated it to place blame on me but what I did was clear up a initial fuckup that shouldn't have happened under your watch.
Hell you even said in a earlier post you decided to not go after a crime as OOC you knew he'd die pretty soon. IC and OOC I don't give a shit if they'll die 5 minutes or 1 hour from now. As a MP what I care about is: Did they commit a crime. The severity of the crime and details. If I arrest them and they are in custody are they secure, watched and protected should the need arise.
I go after the case, figure it out, and arrest with proper procedure if need be. A MP shouldn't be Mr. Nice Guy when it comes to marine law because they understand someone is going to die later.
Evidence wise, that's subjective and barely mentioned in Marine Law ...but if you really want to get into that... they confessed. I try to get as much evidence as possible and well...
Detaining is 10 minutes max for finding evidence in regards to Command Ordered arrests. This was not one. Even if I was detaining them that'd just be a search straight up. Anyways. I even had their confessions and evidence from them telling me what happened

Command Requested Arrests
"If the Commander, Acting Commander, or a Staff Officer requests a marine to be arrested for a crime, you MUST arrest said marine. You may hold the marine for a maximum of 10 minutes while evidence is gathered. If the marine is proven innocent of all accused crimes in the end, the requesting officer may be held liable for a False Arrest charge. If there are crimes committed as a result of a false charge (i.e. resisting arrest) the time will be served, and the time will also be added to the False Arrest charge time. "

Wait I didn't say he shot someone, I got told by another MP that he shot someone and I said I'd deal with it and then heard the story and found the whole situation based upon assumptions and coincidences which can't back up any lawful arrest, there was no bullet either, in fact they only started talking that they had shot a marine by accident after I brought up that they possibly did, which confused the hell out of me, I got some random new MP telling me a random marine told them that another random marine got shot, which could mean anything from someone getting shot to just screaming when a shot was fired. Now there's two ways of playing MP, you can do what I do and give out fair and equal punishments, Judge Dredd way or Robocop your way about. What I was told was that a random shot went out and someone randomly put the TC for arrest cause they were playing puzzle pieces and that's what they put together. Which is why I just shrugged it off, not cause of OOC, if you read what I said you'd see I said I gave them a warning and marked them for released due to them having broken a crime, there was nothing to arrest them for either. And I said that I knew OOC wise that they'd be dead soon so they definitely wouldn't be breaking anymore rules cause I was explaining where I was. The situation solved, nothing to worry about, a nice calm relaxing shift continues. Then you step up to the plate, saying I can't do my job right and Joe throws Marine Law at me repeatedly to which I throw it back after marking it, "Communist Manifesto V.2," then you all go to arrest them. The situation based off of ZERO evidence which had already been solved by a pretty harsh punishment saying he'd have to go all the way back to the squad preps just to get a new gun which is probably equal to 5 minutes of sentencing basically then made a lot worse by the fact that the entire MP force then went to tase him and then faltered the entire OP basically.
I don't play stupid as MP to where everyone hates the rest of the MPs I actually try to put in a good word for us and have people not shoot at us if they are under arrest. Like seriously, 25 minutes for a stray round and then what was it? 10+ minutes for neglect of duty for Horowitz for...hooliganism which could've been solved in 5 minutes? That's the type of thing that makes people hate MPs, we do stupid things like that and then everyone thinks we're the bad guys for it. It's not a bad thing to play the fair and equal cop once in a while, if they did it by accident, especially if the evidence is less than enough to get them arrested in the first place and is solely coincidence and guesswork then they shouldn't get max charges and stacked charges, which is what happened to Emily and Reginald

[Vispain]

Wait I didn't say he shot someone, I got told by another MP that he shot someone and I said I'd deal with it and then heard the story and found the whole situation based upon assumptions and coincidences which can't back up any lawful arrest, there was no bullet either, in fact they only started talking that they had shot a marine by accident after I brought up that they possibly did, which confused the hell out of me, I got some random new MP telling me a random marine told them that another random marine got shot, which could mean anything from someone getting shot to just screaming when a shot was fired. Now there's two ways of playing MP, you can do what I do and give out fair and equal punishments, Judge Dredd way or Robocop your way about. What I was told was that a random shot went out and someone randomly put the TC for arrest cause they were playing puzzle pieces and that's what they put together. Which is why I just shrugged it off, not cause of OOC, if you read what I said you'd see I said I gave them a warning and marked them for released due to them having broken a crime, there was nothing to arrest them for either. And I said that I knew OOC wise that they'd be dead soon so they definitely wouldn't be breaking anymore rules cause I was explaining where I was. The situation solved, nothing to worry about, a nice calm relaxing shift continues. Then you step up to the plate, saying I can't do my job right and Joe throws Marine Law at me repeatedly to which I throw it back after marking it, "Communist Manifesto V.2," then you all go to arrest them. The situation based off of ZERO evidence which had already been solved by a pretty harsh punishment saying he'd have to go all the way back to the squad preps just to get a new gun which is probably equal to 5 minutes of sentencing basically then made a lot worse by the fact that the entire MP force then went to tase him and then faltered the entire OP basically.
I don't play stupid as MP to where everyone hates the rest of the MPs I actually try to put in a good word for us and have people not shoot at us if they are under arrest. Like seriously, 25 minutes for a stray round and then what was it? 10+ minutes for neglect of duty for Horowitz for...hooliganism which could've been solved in 5 minutes? That's the type of thing that makes people hate MPs, we do stupid things like that and then everyone thinks we're the bad guys for it. It's not a bad thing to play the fair and equal cop once in a while, if they did it by accident, especially if the evidence is less than enough to get them arrested in the first place and is solely coincidence and guesswork then they shouldn't get max charges and stacked charges, which is what happened to Emily and Reginald

I heard the situation from you and another MP mainly. I went in with an open mind. Which is actually why I didn't just straight up arrest TC Reginald Dempsey as I said I would. I realized there was more to the story and I figured it out.

"The situation based off of ZERO evidence which had already been solved by a pretty harsh punishment saying he'd have to go all the way back to the squad preps just to get a new gun which is probably equal to 5 minutes of sentencing basically then made a lot worse by the fact that the entire MP force then went to tase him and then faltered the entire OP basically."

Ok. That's pretty shit and very wrong procedure as the way I'm reading this you took his gun and considered the time he runs back to get a new one equal to 5 minutes.

"I don't play stupid as MP to where everyone hates the rest of the MPs I actually try to put in a good word for us and have people not shoot at us if they are under arrest. Like seriously, 25 minutes for a stray round and then what was it? 10+ minutes for neglect of duty for Horowitz for...hooliganism which could've been solved in 5 minutes? That's the type of thing that makes people hate MPs, we do stupid things like that and then everyone thinks we're the bad guys for it. It's not a bad thing to play the fair and equal cop once in a while, if they did it by accident, especially if the evidence is less than enough to get them arrested in the first place and is solely coincidence and guesswork then they shouldn't get max charges and stacked charges, which is what happened to Emily and Reginald"

I play MP to do my job. Horowitz got Neglect of Duty as Neglect of Duty fulfills the clause of not performing her job up to standard seeing how she pushed the TC in the middle of it. If I was being a shitter I'd have given her both 10 for Neglect and 5+ for hooliganism. Unlike you I go after every crime, as I should. Like you, I seek to prosecute fairly only..I arrest them but give lower times or not stacking offenses to reflect that.

Real talk man.
The XO was pushy and wanted those TCs badly however...Marine Law comes first. You can't let the operation get in the way of Marine Law. It must always be done.

[Royal Griffon]

You go in fairly? You gave Reginald 25 minutes you call that fair? Then you have her over 10 minutes? You were being a shitter that round, and so were the other mad dog MPs who did all their craziness until I took the reigns and pulled it in, appealed Horowitz for a wrong crime, Hooliganism which she had spend 5 minutes already for instead of neglect or insubordination which is what she got and then gave the old CMP a fair 45 minutes so they couldn't end up in perma, and then you basically left the rest of the round. Luckily nothing else happened besides a few disturbances

[Vispain]

Bro. You fucked up the case originally. Take a good long hard look back at your reasoning for not pursuing a case against them.
" (OOC wise I knew he wasn't gonna live long enough to commit another crime so I was ready to shrug it off.) " - You

"The situation based off of ZERO evidence which had already been solved by a pretty harsh punishment saying he'd have to go all the way back to the squad preps just to get a new gun which is probably equal to 5 minutes of sentencing basically then made a lot worse by the fact that the entire MP force then went to tase him and then faltered the entire OP basically." - You again. This is NOT how you MP. Walking to get a new gun is not a punishment. Bro. Also, evidence is RARELY needed YET in this case I EVEN had their own testimony and admission of guilt so that was fine as well.

Joe throws Marine Law at me repeatedly to which I throw it back after marking it, "Communist Manifesto V.2,"... - Nice lowrp mention as a MP.

Shooting another marine, even by accident, is Assault with Deadly. You want to look into marine law and tell me where it says "marines pushed that accidentally fire into another marine are fine and only get minor weapons violation". I'll bet you it isn't in there.

I give 5, 10, 20 minute times all the time. You call that shittery? Really? Look at the times in the Marine Law. Assault with Deadly is Minimum 20 minutes. Nowhere does it mention Assault with Deadly (accidental) or Assault with Deadly (intentional). Assault is assault and Assault with Deadly is Assault with Deadly...

"...especially since you put him in for 20+ minutes, which is illegal saying you can legally only give 10 minutes without evidence so I've been told." - Here you clearly state a misconception. As mentioned that is for Command Issued Arrests. If you don't know something look it up on marine law.

You then say I left the rest of the round and did nothing. Now, if I recall I guarded the prisoners and even processed the CMP and demoted him. After that I went patrolling. Bro. I just went in, ask around what happened, learned what happened, realized SOMEONE DID get shot. Arrested 'em for that. Arrested Horowitz for causing it.

Now, that would've been the end of the story but things went out of my control with a rogue TC (WHICH YOU NEVER ADDRESSED OR ASKED ABOUT DESPITE BEING THERE. I had to do that.) who drove over Walker and blocked the brig at one point and a abrupt tase of Reginald.

"The situation based off of ZERO evidence which had already been solved by a pretty harsh punishment saying he'd have to go all the way back to the squad preps just to get a new gun which is probably equal to 5 minutes of sentencing basically then made a lot worse by the fact that the entire MP force then went to tase him and then faltered the entire OP basically." - You

You clearly were bowing to the whims of the XO and not interested in the full story or arresting the TC for a crime you failed to address. You also didn't have any evidence because you didn't even take the testimonies if I am reading correctly. I say that because if you listened you'd know 1. a TC was shot. 2. Reginald did it. 3. Horowitz caused it accidentally.
The above statement also tells me you thought 5 MINUTES OF SENTENCING IN THE FORM OF A WALK TO GET A NEW GUN WAS HARSH. To be frank, dafuq.

Just cause you MISSED a crime the first time doesn't mean you don't address it at the next most opportunity. A crime 1 hour ago you still end up addressing as though it occurred 5 minutes ago.
In short. You walked in, didn't really ask around, figured the TC fired off his gun, and decided the appropriate punishment was the walk it would take for him to get a new gun after you confiscated it and...hopefully... gave him a warning.

[Bulaven]

Are we in Skyrim? 'Cause if this debate was in Thu'um, we'd all be long dead.

[Cry of Wolves]

Are we in Skyrim? 'Cause if this debate was in Thu'um, we'd all be long dead.

[ghost120]

Aren't we in afterlife already?

[Bulaven]

Aren't we in afterlife already?

Nyope. This sure as ducks ain't Sovingard.

[Royal Griffon]

Aren't we in afterlife already?

You mean the warriors already flipped us to death? Yes

[waswar]

Tbh I think I'd side with Xenos over the UPP, at least they've a semi-hereditary monarchy and aren't commies

[ghost120]

Tbh I think I'd side with Xenos over the UPP, at least they've a semi-hereditary monarchy and aren't commies

But they have commie ravagers and runners. You can never run away to communism, it just needs to be purged.

[Royal Griffon]

Tbh I think I'd side with Xenos over the UPP, at least they've a semi-hereditary monarchy and aren't commies

I will still throw the communist manifesto at you and tell you to convert

[DasCorncakes]

I remember this, I was Steven Walker the MP and I spent most of the round trying to figure out why we've arrested the same person several times for charges they've already served, I actually arrested Reginald initially for a the minumum sentence cause I was aboard the Alamo when he shot his copilot, I know it was unintentional but intent is irrelevent when you could of just not shoot your copilot. so he served a minimum sentence and I let him free, I come back and he's still in there for some reason so I assume either he was re-arrested for a separate charge or somebody ignored the fact that I've set them to already served, CMP was so incredibly incompetent that round.