Gas Masks

Dirt · Post by **Dirt** » 29 Jul 2018, 22:47

What's the point of them? Do they protect from gas artillery and neurotoxin or are they really only useful for human v human type events?

Slduggy · Post by **Slduggy** » 29 Jul 2018, 22:56

Yeah, especially if you are on an M56D, It doesn't completely block burn damage from acid spit but it dulls the effects.

Combine · Post by **Combine** » 30 Jul 2018, 01:43

The limited / reduced odd view is the biggest "turnoff" for me and I rarely see them used, but they should come in handy when I have to scream "Gas gas gas!" in the radio again.

Miranda · Post by **Miranda** » 30 Jul 2018, 02:20

Slduggy wrote: ↑
29 Jul 2018, 22:56
Yeah, especially if you are on an M56D, It doesn't completely block burn damage from acid spit but it dulls the effects.

How is it usefull for gunner? He will only see like one tile in front of mg!

Slduggy · Post by **Slduggy** » 30 Jul 2018, 05:03

Miranda wrote: ↑
30 Jul 2018, 02:20
How is it usefull for gunner? He will only see like one tile in front of mg!

What you do is carry the gas mask in one hand while you fire the M56D with your free hand. When you see the gas you equip it and keep firing. Than when the gas dissipates you take the mask back off, rinse, repeat

Miranda · Post by **Miranda** » 30 Jul 2018, 08:47

Slduggy wrote: ↑
30 Jul 2018, 05:03
What you do is carry the gas mask in one hand while you fire the M56D with your free hand. When you see the gas you equip it and keep firing. Than when the gas dissipates you take the mask back off, rinse, repeat

But if you swap hands you will lose wielding of mg, no? Also as i observed gas is blocked by mg itself in most cases and main threat to mg is queens screeches.

Wesmas · Post by **Wesmas** » 30 Jul 2018, 09:01

Would be good if the gas mask could be on the neck slot, then pushed up and down when wanted. Like how masks work on a lot of other servers. Cause having it hanging round your neck doesnt seem to unreal, and it means everyone can put it on when they need it.

Grubstank · Post by **Grubstank** » 30 Jul 2018, 09:58

They're too useless for me personally -- by the time I've put one on and waded into the gas cloud, the gas is almost over... at which point I still feel like I've taken way too much damage

Slduggy · Post by **Slduggy** » 30 Jul 2018, 16:31

Miranda wrote: ↑
30 Jul 2018, 08:47
But if you swap hands you will lose wielding of mg, no? Also as i observed gas is blocked by mg itself in most cases and main threat to mg is queens screeches.

No, as long as you have one hand open you can fire the MG, I don't think you active hand even has to be the empty one. Yes gas is blocked by the MG, but with the barricade nerfs you have to put the M56D right beside the cades now which means gas seeps in even more than ever.

Miranda · Post by **Miranda** » 31 Jul 2018, 02:02

Slduggy wrote: ↑
30 Jul 2018, 16:31
No, as long as you have one hand open you can fire the MG, I don't think you active hand even has to be the empty one. Yes gas is blocked by the MG, but with the barricade nerfs you have to put the M56D right beside the cades now which means gas seeps in even more than ever.

Hmm did they changet it? Im sure when we used binos with mg before, every swap of hands disabled mg. Also as i can remember mg was always put on same tile as cades. Mostly because marines tend to run in front of it.

Gnorse · Post by **Gnorse** » 31 Jul 2018, 03:14

Only reason I don't use gasmasks more often is because they only fit in backpacks/satchels, and I don't use those.

Pedr007 · Post by **Pedr007** » 31 Jul 2018, 03:21

Gnorse wrote: ↑
31 Jul 2018, 03:14
Only reason I don't use gasmasks more often is because they only fit in backpacks/satchels, and I don't use those.

SUBTLE HINT: GAS MASK POUCHES ARE MISSING! *WINK WINK*

Davidchan · Post by **Davidchan** » 31 Jul 2018, 04:12

They should fit on webbing and belts but god forbid we have something realistic

Slduggy · Post by **Slduggy** » 31 Jul 2018, 04:42

Miranda wrote: ↑
31 Jul 2018, 02:02
Hmm did they changet it? Im sure when we used binos with mg before, every swap of hands disabled mg. Also as i can remember mg was always put on same tile as cades. Mostly because marines tend to run in front of it.

Yeah its been changed. Swapping hands with Binos in hand only cancels the Bino view. You should put the on the same tile as cades now because you can FF your own cades.

Drover · Post by **Drover** » 31 Jul 2018, 05:05

I feel that gas masks can be tweaked to be more useful. While I have no understanding of the coding that would go into it, or if it's possible, but this is what I'd propose.

Realistically (for a modern one) Gas masks don't really affect your peripherals. Wearing one is a lot like wearing snowboarding goggles, just hotter and generally un-comfortable. Of course, for balancing in mind, perhaps the peripheral vision can be reduced by a tile or two. The vision of directly in-front of the character should be unaffected. Back to realism, when wearing one in a full setup, you wouldn't be able to slide it up or down due to your helmet being in the way of it going up, and because your chest rig will be in the way going down. For the game, that'd mean you'd have to straight up take it off and put it somewhere.

I feel that it can be more useful too. It should completely, or at least mostly, curtail the boiler's neurotoxin, seeing as it's inhaled and effects sight and hearing. Because you wouldn't have those effects, you wouldn't be slowed down. It should only slightly reduce the acid, due to the fact that you're really just preventing it from entering your lungs.

TLDR; the gas-mask can be tweaked to be legitimately useful. Sorry, I am passionate about gas-masks.

Dolth · Post by **Dolth** » 31 Jul 2018, 05:37

Woah woah there, gas mask won't protect you from being blind/knocked down from neurotoxic gas. And will NOT completely protect you from acid gas as it's a burning gas not something you necessarily need to breath to hurt.

So, no. Currently those are useless.

Also you can shoot with a ripped off limb AKA hold wrench with your only valid hand while shooting with the virtual freshly cutted hand.

CaptainYankee · Post by **CaptainYankee** » 31 Jul 2018, 05:50

They aren't useless, wear one and run into a boiler cloud at full health. Then try without it later. You can only try the second time because you weren't husked the first.

FGRSentinel · Post by **FGRSentinel** » 31 Jul 2018, 06:10

Dolth wrote: ↑
31 Jul 2018, 05:37
Woah woah there, gas mask won't protect you from being blind/knocked down from neurotoxic gas. And will NOT completely protect you from acid gas as it's a burning gas not something you necessarily need to breath to hurt.

The Neurotoxic gas, presumably, needs to be inhaled to work. If so, the only way a gas mask wouldn't protect you from it is if it didn't have a filtration system, which would honestly make it a shit-tier gas mask anyways. If it can be absorbed through the skin, maybe making it so a marine in full gear with the gas mask is immune but one that's missing, say, their gloves will still be affected.

As for the acid gas cloud, it fits in with the above "absorbed through the skin" thing functionally, at least it should: if your body's completely covered and the gas mask is an actual gas mask, all the acid cloud can do is slightly damage your gear. If you don't have a complete set of gear, the gas affects whatever part of your body's exposed; no gloves means your hands will just melt off, no mask means it'll mess up your face and lungs (head and chest damage), and no helmet would just cause head damage.

Dolth · Post by **Dolth** » 31 Jul 2018, 07:14

FGRSentinel wrote: ↑
31 Jul 2018, 06:10
The Neurotoxic gas, presumably, needs to be inhaled to work. If so, the only way a gas mask wouldn't protect you from it is if it didn't have a filtration system, which would honestly make it a shit-tier gas mask anyways. If it can be absorbed through the skin, maybe making it so a marine in full gear with the gas mask is immune but one that's missing, say, their gloves will still be affected.

As for the acid gas cloud, it fits in with the above "absorbed through the skin" thing functionally, at least it should: if your body's completely covered and the gas mask is an actual gas mask, all the acid cloud can do is slightly damage your gear. If you don't have a complete set of gear, the gas affects whatever part of your body's exposed; no gloves means your hands will just melt off, no mask means it'll mess up your face and lungs (head and chest damage), and no helmet would just cause head damage.

I am telling you currently wearing a gasmask barely protect more than carrying none. You just save yourself 2 or 4 seconds at most. But in it current state it will not allow you to cross a neuro gas or stay in an acid gas to gun down M56D just like people pretended.

Regarding RP explainations, I couldn't care less. Bluespace explains whatever you can't.

FGRSentinel · Post by **FGRSentinel** » 31 Jul 2018, 09:56

I'm saying that if we wanted to be realistic that's how the Gas Mask would end up having to work if it was an actual gas mask, Dolth...

Dolth · Post by **Dolth** » 31 Jul 2018, 10:19

Yes despite my baguetteness I figured out chap, tho they won't change it. But then why would your equipment protects you from melting when they melt walls. Lol.

Anyway I insist. Gas masks are currently useless.

FGRSentinel · Post by **FGRSentinel** » 31 Jul 2018, 11:05

Have you ever seen a Boiler's acid cloud melt through a cade? If it does, it takes constant bombardment to have any hope of working. The fact is, the gas clouds don't seem to be as potent at destroying structures and equipment as the rest of their acid is and a gas mask on top of full body protection should realistically protect you against most damage the gas cloud does. It just doesn't for balance reasons or something and I can't help but picture it as just a gas mask with the filters replaced with a bundle of napkins or something.

Lorem123 · Post by **Lorem123** » 01 Aug 2018, 02:03

Gas masks, like 90% of the marine gear, are pretty worthless. They remove too much vision to reliably hit anything, and the damage resist is negligible.

Aztec · Post by **Aztec** » 01 Aug 2018, 04:42

Maybe they could make your gasmasks strap on to your helmet for quick use and easy transport?

Jaketeaking · Post by **Jaketeaking** » 07 Aug 2018, 23:50

they help. rarely, but they do.

Gas Masks

Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks

Re: Gas Masks