Le Survivor

[Loco52]

Hallo, I was playing survivor round today, just a few minutes ago, and many people will probably call this "salt" but I just wanna know the opinion of the rest because I can't be the only one to think this way. So this is what happens:

At roundstart I get survivor and cut my way into secure armory in LV. I fought alone and somehow survived and got rescued by the marines. When I saw the CL and knew who he was I immediately thought since I was a survivor scientist "Weyland will kill us if they find out we got out of here alive, I got to do something and this guy is my way out" so I acted all nice, went up and the CL got the idea of coming back down. I saw this as an opportunity. I hid my shotgun in a firelocker to avoid being checked by the MPs and sold the nuclear authorization device to the CL to make sure it'd come back to my hands down in the colony.. I spent the whole hour or so pretending to be a good boi.

When we go down the colony it's me, Ellie (another colonist), the CL (Alex Rossfield) and a bunch of MPs. I tell ellie and the CL to follow me to my hideout in secure armory down there because I knew it was the safest place to be and the farthest away from the marines as it could be, so the perfect place to hold the CL ransom. So we go in and everything is going smoothly except one thing: we're followed by an MP. I tried running fast to avoid him but couldn't, so he comes with us to the secure armory. I whisper to Ellie I will kidnap CL and since I didn't have any other way to subdue the MP (no taser or flash ability) and he was armed with his tazer, I decided I had to kill him and then hold the CL ransom. So I proceed, I exchange fires with the MP, he tazes and I shottie and at the end I get him, and just when I was about to tell the CL to stand down to get cuffed I got astunned. I explained this to the mods but I still got a 3 hour ban and a nasty note that makes me look like some kind of low rp griefer.

I know killing other people in game is a really, really, bannu trigger thing to do even if you have the reasons but come on, I think I did everything appropriately and there was no other way, literally. And this ransom would have ended with some fun both for me and the marine sides by the time they found out their CL is held hostage by a colonist who wants a ticket out of that planet, but not up the alamo or any military or Weyland facility.

So final question is, how far can a survivor go with the antagging? Why can't a survivor act hostile -after- being taken to the alamo? I mean i've seen that quite some times before.

What do you think?

[Heckenshutze]

You can be an antag without killing nobody. Just silly gimmicks, that way everyone has fun.

Remember, fun is winning

[Loco52]

You can be an antag without killing nobody. Just silly gimmicks, that way everyone has fun.

Remember, fun is winning

I didn't wanna kill him, he was the only thing standing between me and my plans:((

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Should of ahelped the jist of the plan to the admins to make sure you had the green light is probably the most important thing to mention.I dont ahelp as often as i should either and have been caught out by this myself, only reason why its the first thing im saying to you, not because im a "saint" ingame or anything, far from it.

I get the whole "this plan should result in fun for both sides", but what about the MP's side? Hes trying to have fun too, poor MP.

Killing is easy, trying to complete your own objectives without harming anyone is the real challenge, and sadly thats where you failed.

What you needed was some sort of cunning distraction concocted in your head once you realized you couldnt shake the MP off your tail, not just "bang bang", problem solved.Even ingame the chances of that outright murder fucking your entire plan up were quite high i would say once the other MP/CMP's realized the groundside MP wasnt reporting in anymore.

[Zartam]

When survivors are banned for not following marine law.

[Dothal]

From what I've seen admins post, survivors aren't generally allowed to go antag after reaching the Almayer, they have to either start off as crazy survivor or play as a normal guy who wouldn't gun down a civilian.

[carlarc]

you can antag if forcibly taken to the almayer, going up intentionally and antagging will get you banned

[Loco52]

Should of ahelped the jist of the plan to the admins to make sure you had the green light is probably the most important thing to mention.I dont ahelp as often as i should either and have been caught out by this myself, only reason why its the first thing im saying to you, not because im a "saint" ingame or anything, far from it.

I get the whole "this plan should result in fun for both sides", but what about the MP's side? Hes trying to have fun too, poor MP.

Killing is easy, trying to complete your own objectives without harming anyone is the real challenge, and sadly thats where you failed.

What you needed was some sort of cunning distraction concocted in your head once you realized you couldnt shake the MP off your tail, not just "bang bang", problem solved.Even ingame the chances of that outright murder fucking your entire plan up were quite high i would say once the other MP/CMP's realized the groundside MP wasnt reporting in anymore.

You're right, I was thinking yesterday "why didn't I just let the MP out, then barbed wired the cade? and subdued the CL after the MP was out of range?" but well, I guess I didn't think about it at the heat of the moment. Still sad I lost that RP opportunity.

[ThePiachu]

Either you go antag before you get rescued, or you ahelp. Once you comply and come peacefully, don't self-antag.

[Zartam]

Rule 1.3, Roleplay as Survivor : "You are given a short story each round to help guide what you know. Use this at your discretion."
Rule 3, No griefing : "one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or to the server without any roleplay reason"
Rule 16, Lethal Force : "Do not attack another player without a legitimate, explainable roleplay reason"

And that's about it. Maybe we should just chill and let survivors do their things. Plus there's nothing written about that "no self-antagging once you're on the Almayer" rule.

[FGRSentinel]

There's a lot of unwritten "this should be common sense so we don't think we'd ever need to say it" rules, like how the CO can't actually ban standard-issue weapons as it;s both highly likely to cause a mutiny and apparently a form of soft-griefing. All I can say is if you think you'll wanna self-antag on the Almayer, try ahelping before you're rescued and see if the staff will let you be a CLF/UPP spy. If they don't or you decide you want to self-antag later, just remember you can't and behave yourself.

[x31stOverlord]

Half of the time we don't like writing -every single rule- down somewhere,

Because it causes pages of rules that are miles long, and then you have the people that try and rule lawyer everything: "Oh but you didn't say I couldn't -knife- a monkey, just that I couldnt shoot one, so its fine." etc.

[FGRSentinel]

That's why you make them ironclad. With the example you gave, make it that they can't deliberately kill monkeys with the exception of throwing grenades into rooms with a lot of aliens or something for instance. Like I said, there's three unspoken rules I've encountered and all three are really common sense things.

[x31stOverlord]

Well, you may have seen our previous rules incarnation, people complained that it was too long, we trimmed it down.

As this is being discussed in another thread as well answers are all over the place.

A survivors job is to -survive-, if you were stuck on a planet with limited ammo and resources, would you spend the time going around killing monkeys? No, the survivors of the servers past on LV before fog used to exist would storm the hive with the weapons that spawned.

I'll certainly raise the point to the head staff and see if we can't get a few ammendments made to the survivor specific section of rules, but this isn't an issue every round, why is that?

[Loco52]

Rule 1.3, Roleplay as Survivor : "You are given a short story each round to help guide what you know. Use this at your discretion."
Rule 3, No griefing : "one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or to the server without any roleplay reason"
Rule 16, Lethal Force : "Do not attack another player without a legitimate, explainable roleplay reason"

And that's about it. Maybe we should just chill and let survivors do their things. Plus there's nothing written about that "no self-antagging once you're on the Almayer" rule.

Problem here also is that I was banned for rule 3, but I cite the ban reason as the following:

He -had his roleplay reasons- but weren't enough to let this slide.

Edit: answering to overlod, this is not an issue every round because most survivors don't do crazy shit, they just go up the alamo and play it nice. Except some well known people that everyone really expects them to do something because that's just how they've always played.

[FGRSentinel]

Well, you may have seen our previous rules incarnation, people complained that it was too long, we trimmed it down.

As this is being discussed in another thread as well answers are all over the place.

A survivors job is to -survive-, if you were stuck on a planet with limited ammo and resources, would you spend the time going around killing monkeys? No, the survivors of the servers past on LV before fog used to exist would storm the hive with the weapons that spawned.

I'll certainly raise the point to the head staff and see if we can't get a few ammendments made to the survivor specific section of rules, but this isn't an issue every round, why is that?

I actually started playing after the rules were trimmed, so I've never actually seen what the old rules looked like. I just know that they were long. The stuff in the OP doesn't happen every round because most people have the common sense not to attack people on a warship or when there's an MP around. I swear, this stuff needs to be pinned with a message saying "don't do this" added to the subject.

[Herac]

Well, you may have seen our previous rules incarnation, people complained that it was too long, we trimmed it down.

I'll certainly raise the point to the head staff and see if we can't get a few ammendments made to the survivor specific section of rules, but this isn't an issue every round, why is that?

I was going to make this point in the other thread but you touched on it here and this thread is slightly clearer.

When Rahl rewrote the server rules and got rid of many rules that weren't needed (like PL combat) it was definetly a good thing since it simplified everything. But I would really love to see another rewrite where actual rules that are needed (such as kiling monkies) are added onto the list, even if it complicates the list it will clarify stuff.