Katashi Juro vs. The state of CM

[solidfury7]

More people need to learn the bigger picture of the lore and universe. It's to awesome to just ignore.

I bet there's few people who play that know we're just years away from, well, I'll not spoil it, but the Comic series is known as the Earth Wars, so, take that as you will and go read the comics they're pretty amazing and have a lot of Earth Gov/Marine characters that show you how people act in the late 22nd century.

Shit speaking of Marine info, the Colonial Marines Technical Manual is basically a must read of all of us who want to know more about the equipment and shit we're using. Give that bitch a run down.



I'd really like if we made our own official lore cobbled from all the different movies, games, books and comics so we could actually post it on the wiki where people could find is easier all in one place without needing to know already about each and every novel or comic that ever had something significant to our game in anyway.
We'd need to change names cuz muh copyrights but still. It would be worth the effort if we did it.

There are even telepaths in the Alien Universe.

One of Ripley descendants is one, but it has pretty heavy drawbacks.

If we even make custom lore, I'll probably write up something on the Three World Empire, maybe even have a wider range of Erts.

[BruceJuice69]

I watched a series on the earth war comics by a guy called alien theory on youtube. I haven’t really read any of the books but I agree the alien lore is really good and interesting. The lore is also pretty open ended so I feel that the players have some creative license.

[sappysalamander]

You don't understand mate.

It doesn't matter how much you think it's low fruit RP, or how unoriginal it is. You are preventing a player to play because of your private liking/opinions and ONLY rules should be able to do that.

At this point Juro is bullied by everyone whining in this thread.

Let the man have his fun ffs.

Well said my man

[solidfury7]

You don't understand mate.

It doesn't matter how much you think it's low fruit RP, or how unoriginal it is. You are preventing a player to play because of your private liking/opinions and ONLY rules should be able to do that.

At this point Juro is bullied by everyone whining in this thread.

Let the man have his fun ffs.

People are simply discussing the character. Dismissing it as whining discredit your argument.

The administration does have rules regarding stuff like this. Hence why the chap has been told to tone it down multiple times, it's why people doing similar stuff have been dealt with (Remember the guy who said Ta? During every sentence)

However its always good for the community to discuss greyarea stuff like this. It changes things behind the scenes, even if you don't notice em.

Anyway, my two cents.

When your whole character is a stereotype, you're nothing but a shallow husk of a character.

For example

I originally disliked Heinz after the novelty of the meme wore off, because at first it was just a Nazi as a character. However he honed the character to have more personality, more substance, more depth and quite simply the Nazi thing just became an IC and OOC joke. Hell, he's a great CO to roleplay with.

Less is more.

I wish Juro all the best with his character development though, he does seem like a good lad beyond the meme.

[TopHatPenguin]

I'd really like if we made our own official lore cobbled from all the different movies, games, books and comics so we could actually post it on the wiki.

That's what the current lore is which already has it's own page, timeline, hidden tidbits in-game etc.


It sounds more like you just want a rewrite of it.

[Mikotoba]

There are even telepaths in the Alien Universe.

One of Ripley descendants is one, but it has pretty heavy drawbacks.

Wow that sounds really stupid.

[solidfury7]

Wow that sounds really stupid.

It's pretty cool.

Without too many spoilers, it only really comes in to play when the telepathy has seizures.

He can kinda pick up on the hiveminds thoughts during the seizures through dreams, where he sees through the eyes per day of a drone.

When he's awake. Doesn't really do anything other than give him a headache when the aliens get close.

The audiobook is actually one of my favorites simply because it expands on the Colonial Marines a little too.


Regarding the current lore, I think it plays waaaay too safe. Hell, the stuff when you join as an ERT is amazing, I want more of that type of info.

[Mikotoba]

It's pretty cool.

Without too many spoilers, it only really comes in to play when the telepathy has seizures.

He can kinda pick up on the hiveminds thoughts during the seizures through dreams, where he sees through the eyes per day of a drone.

When he's awake. Doesn't really do anything other than give him a headache when the aliens get close.

The audiobook is actually one of my favorites simply because it expands on the Colonial Marines a little too.


Regarding the current lore, I think it plays waaaay too safe. Hell, the stuff when you join as an ERT is amazing, I want more of that type of info.

It sounds like shlock, all of it. The best thing about an Alien and Aliens is that they're both about normal people thrown into terrifying situations. Keep superhero nonsense out of it.

[solidfury7]

It sounds like shlock, all of it. The best thing about an Alien and Aliens is that they're both about normal people thrown into terrifying situations. Keep superhero nonsense out of it.

I'd argue its not the best thing to be dismissive of something you haven't read. Its always good to have an open mind.

I'd also argue that Marines aren't exactly normal people, and Ripley is basically a classic Mary sue.

Having seizures and being detectable by aliens aren't really super powers lmao.

So uh... Yeah,

[Mikotoba]

Ripley is basically a classic Mary sue.

Also I don't need to read the ten comics about telepathic people talking to aliens to know how stupid and out of place it is.

[biscuitsakimbo]

Ripley is basically a classic Mary sue.

Ah yes, the classic Mary Sue- a working woman whose coworkers all die to a sinister android, then misses the entire life and death of her daughter, then risks her life for a child who lost her family, then kills herself after the death of that child. Very typical Mary Sue arc, these are all common tropes which are rehashed time and time again.

[Dolth]

People are simply discussing the character. Dismissing it as whining discredit your argument.

The administration does have rules regarding stuff like this. Hence why the chap has been told to tone it down multiple times, it's why people doing similar stuff have been dealt with (Remember the guy who said Ta? During every sentence)

However its always good for the community to discuss greyarea stuff like this. It changes things behind the scenes, even if you don't notice em.

Alright. I know I can tend to be a bit aggresive when discussing with a different POV so I'll attempt to be respectful and kind.

*Deep breath*

Dear cunt,
Please, understand that I indeed dismiss arguments as whining but please. Do notice the tremendous amount of facts and statements I use with logic, based with past events and facts AND ON THE LACK OF RULING. I beg you, do quote the rule forcing our poor sob to -tone down-, it will greatly help me advancing through this tide of whine and thus, help us all to acknowledge and understand the issue as so far; there is no reason to enforce anything on anyone without the support of a rule. (This include rule 0, good sir.)

Until we meet again,
I wish you a pleasant day and an happy 'character discussion' while the said one barely can not fully play.

Sincerly,
Dolth.

[solidfury7]

Alright. I know I can tend to be a bit aggresive when discussing with a different POV so I'll attempt to be respectful and kind.

*Deep breath*

Dear cunt,
Please, understand that I indeed dismiss arguments as whining but please. Do notice the tremendous amount of facts and statements I use with logic, based with past events and facts AND ON THE LACK OF RULING. I beg you, do quote the rule forcing our poor sob to -tone down-, it will greatly help me advancing through this tide of whine and thus, help us all to acknowledge and understand the issue as so far; there is no reason to enforce anything on anyone without the support of a rule. (This include rule 0, good sir.)

Until we meet again,
I wish you a pleasant day and an happy 'character discussion' while the said one barely can not fully play.

Sincerly,
Dolth.

I find the argument saying "You don't have a 1000 rules covering every situation ever, therefore if it's outside that even a bit, it's fair game" ridiculous.

We have had rulings on the past, as previously stated. We even have a thread regarding clarification on grey areas or non stated rules. They are still enforced.

The rules not listed are rarely punishable, mods just inform the players that x shouldn't be done or something along those lines and that's it.

And he's been playing exactly the same as he always done, he committed seppuku the other round after a poor round of banzai charges and barely understandable orders due to the accent, as an XO (or CO) that's unacceptable.

As previously stated, people are welcome to discuss characters, positive or negatively as long as its constructive. Just because you find it "whiney" doesn't mean you can dismiss other people's concerns, if you don't see the hypocrisy in your arguments, I don't know how you can point at others.

Regardless, I must admit I'm extremely dissapointed with your attitude. I expected better.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

And he's been playing exactly the same as he always done, he committed seppuku the other round after a poor round of banzai charges and barely understandable orders due to the accent, as an XO (or CO) that's unacceptable.

And I can confirm this because I was watching as a mod and could read all the channels and dead chat.
Constant "I can't understand what he said" chatter and it wasn't the typical RP we can't understand him, people could not legit understand his orders

I don't think you're a bad person Jiro, but like I said in your CO application you went a step backwards.

[Dolth]

And I can confirm this because I was watching as a mod and could read all the channels and dead chat.
Constant "I can't understand what he said" chatter and it wasn't the typical RP we can't understand him, people could not legit understand his orders

I don't think you're a bad person Jiro, but like I said in your CO application you went a step backwards.

Now that's a new thing and it makes sense, I'll give you that. But so far the only reasons I heard were "It's not RP", while we play a low to med RP server, which makes the argument invalid. And "It's dumb/not funny", which falls under personnal beliefs and I doubt I have to point out why it's invalid.

The reason I am asking for a specific rule is obviously because you cannot expect players to guess or to understand what and what not to do if you do NOT use a rule.

So as Solidfury is incapable of telling me why Juro is not allowed to talk with his accent and slang, I am asking you.

Speaking of attitudes, Solidfury, check your inbox.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Now that's a new thing and it makes sense, I'll give you that.

So as Solidfury is incapable of telling me why Juro is not allowed to talk with his accent and slang, I am asking you.

Well I think I've given everyone the answer why, players complained at one point some of the orders were confusing or they didn't understand the "aru" quirk/gimmick causing them to question and get clarification on orders both IC/OOC

I'm a supporter of immigrant RP as I do it myself, but I know the fine balance/line, and unfortunately there is now a legtimate case why he needs to tone it down a bit because it caused legtimate problems for other players.

If hes gonna XO or CO, I don't have any issue with you referring to Bushido, using "Hai" as a way of saying yes, "arigato" "banzai" or even if things go bad he roleplays doing the hari-kari thing. But you have to stop the -aru stuff or use it very sparingly.

edit: For the record when I did Julio I was bwoinked and told to tone it down, which I did, and since then I've never been bwoinked for the spanish/mexican gimmick. Most people in IC tell me "stop speaking Beaner"

[Dolth]

Well I think I've given you the answer why, players complained at one point some of your orders were confusing or they didn't understand the "aru" quirk/gimmick causing them to question and get clarification on orders both IC/OOC

I'm a supporter of immigrant RP as I do it myself, but I know the fine balance/line, and unfortunately there is now a legtimate case why you need to tone it down a bit because it caused legtimate problems for other players.

If you're gonna XO or CO, I don't have any issue with you referring to Bushido, using "Hai" as a way of saying yes, "arigato" "banzai" or even if things go bad you roleplay doing the hari-kari thing. But you have to stop the -aru stuff or use it very sparingly.

Alright, that's fair enough. Thanks for the answer.
That makes sense unlike the rest of the reasons I saw yet.
Toodles! *flies away from the topic*

[WinterClould]

That's what the current lore is which already has it's own page, timeline, hidden tidbits in-game etc.


It sounds more like you just want a rewrite of it.

Not simply a rewrite. An expansion and a big one at that! I want more background and details for events and factions. I want more significant events in the timeline. I want things that haven't happened yet to be in it. Simply put. I want it all.

[GoliathTheDespoiler]

what bothers me is everyone's bothered by the "Immersion breaking" that Katashi's accent has, but then you have marines literally saying words like yeet.

150 years in the future.

I don't think that's much better

[Dolth]

"Paperu"

Wow, not RP, immersion breaking. Woah woah.






Skree it's fun it's ok .

That's what I call hypocrisis matey.

[GoliathTheDespoiler]

"Paperu"

Wow, not RP, immersion breaking. Woah woah.




Skree it's fun it's ok .

That's what I call hypocrisis matey.

Okay that first one was after a round, and the second one... I got no idea that wasn't me *shrug

[ThesoldierLLJK]

what bothers me is everyone's bothered by the "Immersion breaking" that Katashi's accent has, but then you have marines literally saying words like yeet.

The only thing that really bothered me was some of his antics have lead to failure and confusion among the ranks.
But at the same time, he got one of the most well known squad of shenanigans to actually line up at attention and salute.

He either gets a big win or a bad failure at times, it's the pure definition of chaos and order.

[Dolth]

Do I really have to screenshot all those retarded low RP sentences/announcments I see to make a point or can I just blattantly speak without any proofs nor anything backing my argumenents? Like, most of the posts above?

Regardless yeah, I think TheSolider made a solid point earlier. Some people get confused by it and I fully understand staff want to prevent one commanding character from playing AND confusing other players. No, that wasn't proper english.

[Kesserline]

This is MedRP, not HRP at all.

If you want HRP, you have to go all the way up. Not selecting a few things and keeping the ultra meme.

You want HRP? Ban Carson, ban Heinz fun rounds, ban every single marine going "REEEE", going "CLAYMORE", going "U BIG GAY" (yeah, ban me mostly in those cases). Ban every bald fuck that ruin the immersion because they are not RPing their role currently because they are too bald for it. You don't send an untrained dipshit in cryo. Even the LT in the movie got ultra training, even if no proper combat experience.

You want to whine about that lad for "your immersion"? You have other fishes to fry.

Let's begin with shitty RP marine not engaging preds that are attacking marines in front of them. Let's continue with shitty RP command asking for bayonet charge while we are a hundred year in the future where conventional warfare is based on tactical drops of units from the atmosphere.

You still want to whine about a dude adding "U" at the end of words?

Rework you priorities. He is having fun. He is just having fun, this is a MedRP video-game on 2d. Nothing more, nothing less.
If you're butthurt because of that, you will be butthurt for the rest of your life about everything, like me wearing shoes made from baby seal leather.

Like my grandma would have said before she passed away : calm the tiddies, let's PB some Xenus.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Regardless yeah, I think TheSolider made a solid point earlier. Some people get confused by it and I fully understand staff want to prevent one commanding character from playing AND confusing other players. No, that wasn't proper english.

Like I posted in his CO application, if he's a PFC I don't really care if he acts like a dirty immigrant because I do the same thing, but the moment he's XO/CO he's gotta use it very very rarely.

Like I try to RP my character as Tony Montana from scarface which people seem to get a kick out of.