"MPs need to fucking chill" #2

[FGRSentinel]

Some MPs are shifty in what they decide to do. I remember one round where a PFC got trapped on the wrong side of the checkpoint before briefing by an MP that let literally everyone else through when the CO made it clear that everyone had to be present for briefing, meaning if he failed to arrive on time it was insub. The only reason the MP let them through was because I wandered by as PO and saw this shit go down. I had to outright order the MP to let him through after accusing him of trying to make a Marine violate Marine Law.

I've also heard a story while prepping one of the dropships of an MP arresting a Squad Leader in their squad's prep area for being out of uniform, but the MP claimed it was because the SL threw their boots at them, so I'm not entirely sure.

[RuAlastor]

Every MP has their own tolerance levels, the fact that most or some choose not to enforce it is because both them and the staff understand that situation or done for the sake of gameplay, does not mean that it's fine as per law and that they can't do anything about it.

Besides, FF is not a good thing, sometimes it's even grief-tier and while maybe accidental, it's not an excuse for it to be fine, not only not fine when shipside but it's not fine planetside either. Otherwise we could each shoot one another once or twice with buckshot "by accident" and be fine with it under the excuse of accidental friendly fire.

There has been cases of LTs reporting marines for shooting other marines in the field, FF or intentional, especially back when they had access to an MP channel. Most of the FF in game is not reported to the MPs anyways so therefore it cannot be enforced if we are not aware of these cases to enforce them.

And if you're directing those questions to me personally, I don't like bothering with little shenanigans unless it's something excessive, in terms of hooliganism or whatever. In that case of insubordination that you mentioned I always put importance on SL to squad orders as it is more important to success more than the inside the squad orders, due to the way squads are composed and for the sake of gameplay. But for what it's worth you're expected to respect the rank structure as a whole.

And while I can understand something accidental and have an understanding over it and perhaps let it slip, others may not for as long as there are provisions in the marine law for it. So don't be surprised if an arrest for such happens.

My Advice? Avoid giving anyone any reason to arrest you and you'll be fine.

Rather than being guilty and complaining about how MPs may be bad or whatever, try to prevent being guilty in the first place.

So seems like you don't really RP "military institution" and should be brigged for supporting insubordination and assault...
Avoid being a bore and try to play a game like a normal person. Try to have fun without ruining fun for everyone else

[Arbs]

So seems like you don't really RP "military institution" and should be brigged for supporting insubordination and assault...
Avoid being a bore and try to play a game like a normal person. Try to have fun without ruining fun for everyone else

Well thank you very much but I do very well play like a normal person and fit in with the military RP expected of you on this server. Unlike some half a retard packing eggs on the drop, that's what's not normal and why you can't complain about getting shit on for. Can't you sperglords come up with any shittier answers for once?

[Sleepy Retard]

Well thank you very much but I do very well play like a normal person and fit in with the military RP expected of you on this server. Unlike some half a retard packing eggs on the drop, that's what's not normal and why you can't complain about getting shit on for. Can't you sperglords come up with any shittier answers for once?

Military RP isn't expected.

[RuAlastor]

Well thank you very much but I do very well play like a normal person and fit in with the military RP expected of you on this server. Unlike some half a retard packing eggs on the drop, that's what's not normal and why you can't complain about getting shit on for. Can't you sperglords come up with any shittier answers for once?

You fit only in your own expectation of "military RP", which has nothing to do neither with real army, nor with adequate implementation in a game. You should chill together with shitty MPs.
I don't think you can play like a normal person, if you even can't speak like one.

[Avalanchee]

I don't think you can play like a normal person, if you even can't speak like one.

that's where you're wrong

[RuAlastor]

that's where you're wrong

Well, I dunno. I heard, starting a conversation with insults isn't a trait of a good person. Fortunatelly, I don't see him often on the server.

[JennerH]

Well, I dunno. I heard, starting a conversation with insults isn't a trait of a good person. Fortunatelly, I don't see him often on the server.

Arbs is one of the better players on the server. I'm not saying you have to roleplay or anything but like he said, if you do stupid things that break marine law the MPs can punish you for it, and you should expect them to. So in the future, avoid getting caught when you decide to pull some shenanigans

[RuAlastor]

Arbs is one of the better players on the server. I'm not saying you have to roleplay or anything but like he said, if you do stupid things that break marine law the MPs can punish you for it, and you should expect them to. So in the future, avoid getting caught when you decide to pull some shenanigans

Eh, just see my first post. My point isn't about punishing funny stupid things is absolutely disgusting, but that MP role is not rewarding in any way and every MP ends up either doing some shitty power RP, like mentioned above or just straight LRP, which somehow isn't punished by other MPs.
Well, I suppose, he's good player, but it doesn't permit him to talk with such arrogance with everyone he disagrees with

[Arbs]

This whole thing is getting more complicated than it has to be. I'm not here to do philosophy with you or deal with your smartassing questions or to be liked.

It's very simple. If you don't want to get arrested, don't break the law.

And if you do break the law, expect an arrest or a punishment. So be conscious, take that responsibility over your action and don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass and then start complaining about how MPs are bad for keeping you out of the round for however long your timer is.

[RuAlastor]

This whole thing is getting more complicated than it has to be. I'm not here to do philosophy with you or deal with your smartassing questions or to be liked.

It's very simple. If you don't want to get arrested, don't break the law.

And if you do break the law, expect an arrest or a punishment. So be conscious, take that responsibility over your action and don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass and then start complaining about how MPs are bad for keeping you out of the round for however long your timer is.

Can't you read or what? For sure, it's easier to answer the questions that i'm not even asking.
Also, call every other opinion "complaining". That's how you argue.
Also, stop complaining about people accidentally shooting at the briefing, that's your fucking problem, just use rest macro

[Pulse Demon]

Well thank you very much but I do very well play like a normal person and fit in with the military RP expected of you on this server. Unlike some half a retard packing eggs on the drop, that's what's not normal and why you can't complain about getting shit on for. Can't you sperglords come up with any shittier answers for once?

It would be nice if you could stop insulting other players, nobody likes being called an idiot, a "half-retard" or stupid. You might be a good player and a veteran but you are a rude and mean person to those who disagree with you. It just makes you sound like a jerk who is trying to keep up a tough guy persona (inb4 IDGAF BOUT WATCHU THINK BOUT ME KID). You can express yourself in a polite way and still get your point across (In fact I half-agree with you.)

Regarding the thread, those are crimes and need to be punished, yes. I still think most times MPs do not use their common sense and just try to prolong your brig time as much as they can, but I would do the same given how boring and low rewarding the role is. Security on the Almayer is in need of (a not urgent) rework.
I do in fact enjoy being a self-antag MT on lowpop (nothing serious, just shit like stealing booze) because I am under the assumption of MPs having moderate fun trying to taze me.

[ExothermicPotato]

An environment full of people doing dumb shit is a cradle for unruly marines...

This is just plain sad to read. You just come off as an arrogant and egoistic snob who thinks he knows what and how everyone needs to play his game. And of course you only play on officer roles if not solely CO or MP, so "dumb little kids" don't spoil your precious online marine corps and break your fucking heart. Your response literally reeks of that.

don't give a damn about what you play it for...

Who are you even to say that? Well, according to your logic your opinion on how this game should be played melds with the rest and thus shouldn't be given a damn about too.



Somehow you manage to see only things you want to see.
1. CJ only formally commented on the parts he was comfortable with answering. He didn't touch any parts where I had a decent point. Nor do you, indulging your extensive monologues on how people don't treat your favourite computer game as a military camp and dismissing the rest of my OP post as bullshit apriori.
2. Adding to that: you point out how "strict military institution RP" is important, but you decided to omit everything I mentioned about the stupid eggs-situation! Is that a reasonable military RP for you?
3. And no one was throwing eggs! Which could potentially be treated as hooliganism. But a player just took eggs with him. And I don't know what has to be wrong with you to earnestly disparge a player for his ingame inventory not agreeing with IRL marine loadout...
4. It's also interesting how I meant FMJ scene where Pyle was eating a donut while others were doing push-ups. Which could be fun (which is not allowed here, we're online marine corps, damnit!) But you, thinking everyone is malicious but you, thought I implied beating the shit out of someone.

packing eggs on the drop...

I really don't feel like adding anything more except that you are clearly confusing real life and a computer game.

half a retard... sperglords...

Now we are down to insults... Because someone has a different view on things.

Arbs is one of the better players

Stiff strict roleplay != good immersive roleplay. Yelling and shouting like he does as CO when things go wrong doesn't instantly make you look like a real officer, an enjoyable character to play with (actually he doesn't give a damn, so that's a solid and fair argument against this point), an interesting personality or whatever he imagines himself as. And to be fair, it's only your opinion not an argument and doesn't anyhow diminish anything I mentioned in this thread.


Also, both of you keep on talking about some "stupid things" thar you think I'm justifying.Can you please read again what I wrote in OP? How is a misclick and pack of eggs in your backpack a stupid thing that brakes RP? And what's more, how the reaction to the latter was adequate?

[CABAL]

Truth is on both sides. Some MP are shitty on purpose, some are bored with their boring job. Some marines are unresponsible becouse misclick are infact player's guilt. I remember when I shoot my weapon in briefing. It was becouse I was "playing" by taking magazine off and reloading it in a loop. My fault. Now I remember to use safety, especially since marines like to disarm when you have gun unholstered, instead of "taking it off" like a hat, or boots.

In situation where I would like to give MP's some fun with commiting minor crimes, if I will get caught shipside, I will be "punished" with brig time at every occasion. Nearly no point.

There are situations where you nearly can't avoid being arrested without acting like a Yes-man and brainless grunt. What is even the point of avoiding being arrested? In extreme situation where no marine would commit a crime, MP's wouldn't have anything to do. When they don't have anything to do, they start to scrap the bottom of the barrel and stretch Marine Law to finally brig someone. That probably was the reason with previous issue with MP (Rex Texas case if I remember correctly). Rules were so strict that you couldn't break a marine law without breaking server rules, or just acting low-RP.

Example: I asked MP at checkpoint to lend me hand labeler that without walls would be visible on screen. He said "NO!" and told me (it didn't sound like order) to go to prep room. I said that he "Is not my mother" and bam!: Insub and Insult.

Another: I tried to give Jones to MP's hand. He "thought" that I was pickpocketing him, so he decided to stun me on harm intent. I wanted from him atleast apologies for this unrightfull act. He decided to run away from me, with all his gear with my blood. He ran away becouse he was faster in his armor and I was in slight pain. I decided to go to CMP. CMP ignored that. After constantly asking CMP to do something about it, finnaly, MP that bashed me came. But he cleaned his gear from my blood. Said I was chasing him over whole Almayer and denied bashing. After another "burst" of complains from my side CMP decided to get rid of me by giving "warning" to MP, becouse he finally admitted that he lied. WARNING for bashing a marine and then lying. Justice had to be served. I punched him few times and got brigged (no suprise). Punching reinforced window with boots does no damage, but that and assault on MP was enough to put me in Perma, straight-jacketed and muzzled. Ahelp later admin said it's "IC" issue.

I could stop, I could act like a coward, I could take that I'm powerless as a marine against MP's abuse.

After that I decided to play an MP. Guess what? I never arrested any marine. Not becouse I didn't wanted, but becouse I wasn't bored enough to just bait someone to commit crime and then brig them.

[ExothermicPotato]

but I would do the same given how boring and low rewarding the role is

Didn't quite get you here, to be honest. Yes, MP roles are not very rewarding but it shouldn't come at cost of other players' fun (yes, yes, I'm still assuming even MRP should be fun, not a military camp). And the fact that you admit that pretty much reinforces your own point that MP need rework.
Say, today I had MP wandering into medbay asking how my research was going and how it would make him look good for patronizing researchers in the eyes of his superiors. These situations and quirks are what makes up good RP.

[FGRSentinel]

Truth is on both sides. Some MP are shitty on purpose, some are bored with their boring job. Some marines are unresponsible becouse misclick are infact player's guilt. I remember when I shoot my weapon in briefing. It was becouse I was "playing" by taking magazine off and reloading it in a loop. My fault. Now I remember to use safety, especially since marines like to disarm when you have gun unholstered, instead of "taking it off" like a hat, or boots.

In situation where I would like to give MP's some fun with commiting minor crimes, if I will get caught shipside, I will be "punished" with brig time at every occasion. Nearly no point.

There are situations where you nearly can't avoid being arrested without acting like a Yes-man and brainless grunt. What is even the point of avoiding being arrested? In extreme situation where no marine would commit a crime, MP's wouldn't have anything to do. When they don't have anything to do, they start to scrap the bottom of the barrel and stretch Marine Law to finally brig someone....

...After that I decided to play an MP. Guess what? I never arrested any marine. Not becouse I didn't wanted, but becouse I wasn't bored enough to just bait someone to commit crime and then brig them.

The secret is that all MPs eventually get bored with their jobs, but it's what they do after that makes it clear if they're shitters or decent people. Like in the story I mentioned about an MP trying to make a Marine break Marine Law, some try to twist the rules/law and the situation to produce an arrest where one isn't necessary or even valid. These are ones that end up like Rex Texas, always stalking the ship looking for an excuse to brig someone, basically becoming soft griefers at best.

On the other hand, you have others that, instead, try to find stuff to do on the ship when there's no crimes. Some chill by Alamo to help unload injured. Others go out of their way to help Req unload and move crates to Req. I've even seen a CMP go out of their way to pick up all the crap Marines leave laying around briefing to hand in to Req. They keep themselves busy until they're needed in an official capacity or simply patrol the ship for actually brig-worthy crimes that don't require them to be shitters to justify.

[Blade2000Br]

The secret is that all MPs eventually get bored with their jobs, but it's what they do after that makes it clear if they're shitters or decent people. Like in the story I mentioned about an MP trying to make a Marine break Marine Law, some try to twist the rules/law and the situation to produce an arrest where one isn't necessary or even valid. These are ones that end up like Rex Texas, always stalking the ship looking for an excuse to brig someone, basically becoming soft griefers at best.

On the other hand, you have others that, instead, try to find stuff to do on the ship when there's no crimes. Some chill by Alamo to help unload injured. Others go out of their way to help Req unload and move crates to Req. I've even seen a CMP go out of their way to pick up all the crap Marines leave laying around briefing to hand in to Req. They keep themselves busy until they're needed in an official capacity or simply patrol the ship for actually brig-worthy crimes that don't require them to be shitters to justify.

I have brigged a guy that literally broke all laws from marine law in one round. Probably wanted do some speedrun or something.

He got perma pending execution and he still called me a shittler that was after his fun.

[CABAL]

I have brigged a guy that literally broke all laws from marine law in one round. Probably wanted do some speedrun or something.

He got perma pending execution and he still called me a shittler that was after his fun.

If he in fact broke all laws then it sure was fun. Let's count:

There was a guy who resisted arrest, aid and abett someone in commiting crime, failed to follow SOP, damaged goverment property, intentionally ordered the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or applyied an improper or abusive NJP, was a hooligan, tresspased, Insub, was drunk/drugs, brought contraband, have stolen something, Disorderly Conduct, Neglect of duty, assaulted someone, Disrespecting a superior Officer, killed someone without malicious intent and then killed someone with that intent, assaulted with deadly weapon, kidnapped someone, interfered with arrest, escaped from brig, raped someone, started mutiny and deserted.

If it wasn't fun, then I don't know what is.

[Enigmachine]

If he in fact broke all laws then it sure was fun. Let's count:

There was a guy who resisted arrest, aid and abett someone in commiting crime, failed to follow SOP, damaged goverment property, intentionally ordered the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or applyied an improper or abusive NJP, was a hooligan, tresspased, Insub, was drunk/drugs, brought contraband, have stolen something, Disorderly Conduct, Neglect of duty, assaulted someone, Disrespecting a superior Officer, killed someone without malicious intent and then killed someone with that intent, assaulted with deadly weapon, kidnapped someone, interfered with arrest, escaped from brig, raped someone, started mutiny and deserted.

If it wasn't fun, then I don't know what is.

Your retarded ass just said raping someone is 'fun.'

What the fuck?

[CABAL]

Your retarded ass just said raping someone is 'fun.'

What the fuck?

Oh no! Out of context word!
*rest
Phew... That shrapnel missed me this time.

Assault with weapon? Fine, I sleep.
Manslaughter? Fine, I sleep.
Murder? Fine, I sleep.
Sexual Assault? REAL SHIT!

If I will say that I enjoy killing CLF in this game and I think it's fun to fight humans, does that means I'm saying that killing other people is good and a funny thing to do? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[FGRSentinel]

I have brigged a guy that literally broke all laws from marine law in one round. Probably wanted do some speedrun or something.

He got perma pending execution and he still called me a shittler that was after his fun.

Yeah, that's someone who deserves their punishment. TBH I feel like that should just be considered griefing on their part and just bump it up to the staff since it sounds more like a rule break than a simple breach of Marine Law.

[Solarmare]

Probably was, executions after a marine is banned for griefing do happen.

[Enigmachine]

I can confirm that like half my executions are on PC's with the "not waking up anytime soon" tag.

[Griffith78]

As having played mp before I can understand having a hard stance against someone who is taking eggs, they cause a mess and can create conflict . Both things an MP should try to prevent.

[Build_R_]

As having played mp before I can understand having a hard stance against someone who is taking eggs, they cause a mess and can create conflict . Both things an MP should try to prevent.

Generally, I would think that if an issue is based solely around a carton of eggs, an MP shouldn't be aiming for a hard stance at all.