2016-10-17 2 AM (+1 GMT) match mutineers

[Jeroen]

This mutineer was not approved by an Admin as far as the staff member that responded to me stated.

Here is the footage of the habbening for those who need it for their own complaints.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQPpAtBKFo&t=1h34m56s

The gooey part starts at about 1h34m56s, before that is just my normal shift.

I'm thinking about making a complaint against the following.

• The person who shot first
• Those who harmed me on purpose
• Those who broke other CM rules during the mutiny/insubordinance.

[Warnipple]

Alright so I remember this round.

I see that you arrested the Charlie SL for threatening to kill the Commander after the crisis was over, I thought that was hilarious and completely within the bounds of marine law.

No one ahelp'd to mutiny that I know of or I wasn't paying attention because I'm sometimes in and out, I took time off to shower during this round so that may have been when. I wasn't even aware a mutiny occured either but I did get complaints that the Command staff was being mostly useless that round. I investigated it a bit and I saw the Commander doing his duties but the rest of his staff being mostly useless.

Anyway, it was definitely NOT admin approved on my end. I'm about to go to bed, I'll investigate further tomorrow.

[Jeroen]

Alright so I remember this round.

I see that you arrested the Charlie SL for threatening to kill the Commander after the crisis was over, I thought that was hilarious and completely within the bounds of marine law.

No one ahelp'd to mutiny that I know of or I wasn't paying attention because I'm sometimes in and out, I took time off to shower during this round so that may have been when. I wasn't even aware a mutiny occured either but I did get complaints that the Command staff was being mostly useless that round. I investigated it a bit and I saw the Commander doing his duties but the rest of his staff being mostly useless.

Anyway, it was definitely NOT admin approved on my end. I'm about to go to bed, I'll investigate further tomorrow.

I am thinking of reporting those meeting the criteria mentioned in the original post due to them getting me killed and removed from the rest of the round.

I am not sure if they were insubordinating+assault with a deadly weapon+murder+trespassing or doing all of the above and appoint their previous SL as a "genuine" authority and thus committing mutiny. Either way in my opinion they stepped way out of their boundaries.

I do not know what the SL said over their squad freq, without that perspective their SL looks like a saint and the squad members like rabid hounds.

I was kind of tip-toe'ing the brigging procedures, but I did attempt to keep the detained SL in a safe location as I knew that even if I stayed in the brig to defend the prisoner I wouldn't be able to fend off attacking aliens on my own, so I moved the detainee to the bridge as it is somewhat better to defend and it would be more likely to have trustworthy crewmembers to fend off attacks.

Edit: After reading my entire post I have noticed that each paragraph starts with an "I", I hate myself.

[Tristan63]

Well uh, this looks like a case of who shot who.
Judging by your video the LT was not calm with the marines there, and even showed up in armor.
The marines were also not calm because they didn't have a local leader who was probably more
competent.
You charged at armed marines with a taser, which is a bad idea because you will loose, even if you get
them down. What you should've done is stayed on the ground and Ahelped because you wouldn't be
considered involved at that point, that what I would do atleast.

[Warnipple]

Investigation starting now. I'll be editing this post with my findings.

So I've jumped to the point where the mutineers start doing their stuff. At this point, Sulaco's been boarded, lower decks been lost. I was NOT AFK during this event. Rather, there was a big fight in Cargo and I was watching it which is probably why the FF logs were ignored because I was watching the fight and assumed it to be during that fight. During this time I remember me, SnypeHunter and Monkey (who was not in the game) were talking about whether or not to send an XRT because a quarter of the Xeno forces got caught in Cargo while the rest were trying to go through engineering.

I can confirm that no one ahelp'd the mutiny. Checked all PMs at least 20 minutes prior to the mutiny.

I see your ahelp after the mutiny occured. Going to check on the why it occured now.

According to the video and logs, John Clark was the one who fired first. Joseph Christopher was the one who shot you first. Their reason for mutiny was because their Squad Leader was arrested during a time of crisis which was arrested because the I remember the Squad Leader saying something about killing the Commander. They requested that Charlie Squad Leader Alex Noble be released according to the logs which I'll post below.

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Before this happened, Charlie Squad Leader punched the CO and the CO returned fire. He was questioned by GameAdmin West Hybrid for doing it and West concluded that it was IC. He accepts his punishment.

Some minor excerpts a 10 minutes before the mutiny (mutiny happens at around 20:38:00 in the logs).

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[20:26:31]SAY: Alex Noble/#######: Uncuff me, I know what I did and I'm happy to serve for it
[20:28:12]SAY: Alex Noble/#######: So anyways, I shot and punched Lieutenant Ehret
[20:29:06]SAY: Alex Noble/#######: I'm taking the whole command staff to court
[20:29:22]SAY: Alex Noble/#######: I'll willingly submit to brigging post-op as well, but I'd like to fight with my squad

Here he's telling his squad that he's stuck at the bridge.

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[20:35:07]SAY: Alex Noble/#######: I'm sorry guys, don't expect me to be there fighting with you. I'm very unfortunately strapped into a chair on the bridge

One of the Charlie Marines requesting that Noble be released.

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[20:35:41]SAY: Joseph Christopher/#######: Let Noble out.

Anyway, theres a bunch of stuff in the logs to sift through but after taking a good look at it. I've concluded that arresting the Charlie Squad Leader, while hilarious and also rightly arrested, during a time of crisis was not the best idea. His Marines were loyal to him and he wanted to fight. Overall, I would attribute this to poor Command staff that handled the situation poorly. He should've released their Squad Leader.

While the mutiny was not admin approved, it was done with a reason. I'm not sure there were 5 marines total there but they were all part of Charlie Squad so there were 'involved' in the reason why the minor mutiny event occurred. I would say that these events happened very well ICly and if I questioned them in the situation, I most likely would've allowed the mutiny.

Despite the minor mutiny event, the Marines still managed to win the round so it wasn't damaging to their team but the main reason why Xenos lost was because of very poor tactical decisions and organization from the Xeno Queen.

tl;dr command staff bad. arresting a squad leader during times of crisis is a very bad idea, especially if it was one that was respected by his men.

If you have any other complaints or would like to discuss this further, feel free to post them here.

[Desolane900]

I'm pretty sure this is the round where I may or may not have purposfully nor accidentally pegged an MP to death because I was permabrigged. If I'm on that list it wouldn't surprise me.

[Jeroen]

I'm pretty sure this is the round where I may or may not have purposfully nor accidentally pegged an MP to death because I was permabrigged. If I'm on that list it wouldn't surprise me.

I am fairly certain that it wasn't the round where you got perma'd as the only person to get perma'd this round was the SL, who was transfered from the brig to the bridge.

@Warnipple
The ship was not about-to-be lost to the boarders, if that was the case I would've released the prisoners due to keeping him where it could mean his death is forbidden by the brigging protocols.
His squadmembers purposefully shot at those guarding the bridge and killed me, that means that I could no longer defend the Sulaco as I was dead and it removed me for the rest of the round.
In the end multiple crewmembers including Marines died due to the Marine's forced attempt to free their SL, I don't believe that their SL was that good that it warrants multiple crewmembers dead for his freedom, especially when I and the other MP were just doing our jobs.

And regarding Command being shit, I have heard from someone that the CO was okay but the rest of Command being bad.

Edit: I'd like to point out that Joseph Christopher has taken my ID from my dead body (as he is the one that critted me) and beyond a reasonable doubt used it to access areas which he does not have access to.

[Warnipple]

Alright, regarding the ID theft, I don't want to justify more rule breaks but that would've been the only way he could've gotten into the bridge. As a standard marine doesn't have access.

I understand your pain that you were removed from the round because of an improper mutiny but it was because you chose a side and that side lost that engagement. Could you write this off as an experience? Or IC incident. A minor mutineer occured but I believe it was legitimate. You had a hand in arresting the SL after all.

[Jeroen]

Alright, regarding the ID theft, I don't want to justify more rule breaks but that would've been the only way he could've gotten into the bridge. As a standard marine doesn't have access.

I understand your pain that you were removed from the round because of an improper mutiny but it was because you chose a side and that side lost that engagement. Could you write this off as an experience? Or IC incident. A minor mutineer occured but I believe it was legitimate. You had a hand in arresting the SL after all.

I am still of the opinion that taking the ID is not allowed, for the following reasons.

• John Clark was planning to hack his way into the bridge.
• The mutiny was not admin-approved during the match.
• According to the rules, taking an ID is only allowed to save your own life or someone else's that is in need of medical attention to stay alive or is going to die. Neither of those applied as the detainee was safe in the bridge.

[Warnipple]

Alright, I'll speak with him the next time I see him about ID theft.

[Jeroen]

Alright, I'll speak with him the next time I see him about ID theft.

Damn, I forgot to add a screencap of Da Rules to my previous post.

[Shadow]

I just noticed this, and, as the player behind the SL Alex Noble, I'd like to say that I'm willing to respond to any questions about what happened, and to accept any due punishment.

EDIT: Now that I'm at my home computer, I'd like to elaborate before I'm asked to, if I'm asked to. During that round, command had been having a pizza party, and had, from my character's standpoint, ignored the marines on the ground, leading to a few deaths and issues with the evacuation. Once we'd evacuated and gotten aboard the Sulaco, I, playing as Charlie Lead, Alex Noble, slipped onto the bridge while the door was open, and began to yell at command, indeed threatening to kill you. It may sound like I'm just excusing, but I had no intent to kill them at all. After arguing with the bridge staff, and then leaving to regear for a boarding party, I saw Ehret, and punched him, because, ICly, Alex was mad. Ehret pulled out his gun and started shooting me, so I shot back, and was arrested by the OP, playing as Hope Steele. I informed my squad after being moved to the bridge that I was detained, and they, of their own volition, stormed the bridge. I don't have logs because it didn't occur to me at the time, but I had told my squad to disregard me and fight the aliens. Regardless, they stormed the bridge, and killed I believe ~3 MP and possibly a bridge officer trying to get me. That's my side of it, and I can go into more detail if needed.

[ChickenShizNit8]

Right...

Veteran MP as I am, this seems either all IC or a mutiny that was called for...

From what I've been told, personally, Command was having a pizza party instead of commanding, leaving Marines without Command. Noble went in, shouted the shite command out, made some threats, and pushed one because of his anger with Command. One of the Commanding crew, Shaun Ehret, then went and shot at Noble, whiiiich I'm almost positive is improper escalation of force...
Simply my own opinion, which I can give seeing as this isn't a proper report.

Yet.