Retrieving tech and fun for the other side

[ThePiachu]

So, retrieving Predator tech. As I understand, once a Predator dies and their gear gets stolen, that's when the Predator gloves come off and it becomes the priority for the remaining Preds to retrieve everything, using any means necessary, right? However, you often may find yourself facing off against a larger group of Marines or xenos between you and your objective. How do you balance having to possibly merc 5-10 Marines with the goal of the Predators to make the round more interesting and more fun? I know none of the Marines IC would know why they're suddenly getting merc'ed, and some of the players behind them would also have no context to what's going on the first few times.

So what's your approach when you can't retrieve some gear through stealth alone?

[MattAtlas]

If the marines want to merc you you merc them.

Keep in mind they're the ones with the gear that can kill you in one hit.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Its common knowledge that if you have pred gear you're a walking target.
Just find a random marine and issue a translation warning telling them to give it back or suffer the consequences.

If they refuse, they sealed their own fate.

[Renomaki]

I myself often try to find peaceful alternatives in the event predator gear is stolen. But marines are more often than not willing to DIE to protect their ill-gotten loot, even if it is something as simple as a plasma pistol they can't even USE.

If you go ham on them, they get salty and call you a murderboner. If you try to use less messy means to recover gear, they call you unrobust or stupid. You can't win with marines....

[420MYK]

If its a crowd. HPC to the middle after a warning/request to give the gear back (assuming i get a chance). If its only a few marines then ill usually just run in rip off a leg or knock them down with the whip and drag them off. I also have no qualms with stealing a marine from a medics grasp if theyre wearing a mask/armor etc

[coroneljones]

The marines brought it upon themselves.
When they take pred gear they know OOCly what they're getting into, especially since the guys that keep the gear are usually the same, be it dedicated pred hunters or popular marines.

[RobBrown4PM]

Do stupid things (steal pred tech), win stupid prizes (plasma bolt to the face)

[Sleepy Retard]

Just hunt down marines with pred gear, don't think about how they feel.

This is how I get more pred kills, and is the optimal experience for me....and you.

[Sora9567]

I usually and up playing Extreme Marco Polo to try and juke marines into either FFing or getting separated.

[Steelpoint]

Its easy to blame the Marines for bringing it on themselves for taking Pred tech.

But it's moronic and stupid to expect Marines to ignore advance Predator technology, leaving it to rot in the field, because they know there are OOC consequences for taking it.

Logically there is no reason in hell Marines would abandon such advance technology, in fact I'd support some kind of mechanic that lets marines convert Pred weapons into something more usable (M41A Plasma Rifle variant) but I digress.

I'm not suggesting to ignore Marines looting Predator tech, but try and keep things a bit fair.

[MattAtlas]

But it's moronic and stupid to expect Marines to ignore advance Predator technology, leaving it to rot in the field, because they know there are OOC consequences for taking it.

how is it moronic bro, it's literally as easy as "if you don't want to die, let someone else take it"

[Steelpoint]

Its stupid because its a clear act of OOC knowledge driving IC actions.

Marines have no IC way of knowing that Predators are going to aggressively attack and do whatever is needed to retrieve Predator technology, even so far as to boarding the Almayer.

[solidfury7]

Its stupid because its a clear act of OOC knowledge driving IC actions.

Marines have no IC way of knowing that Predators are going to aggressively attack and do whatever is needed to retrieve Predator technology, even so far as to boarding the Almayer.

In fairness, stealing advanced technology from an advanced species isn't ever going to end well and it'd be be a huge benefit if it gets reverse engineered by humanity.

It's why sometimes as CO, I'll divert some major assets to protecting the predator technology, even at the cost at risking the operation.

[MattAtlas]

Its stupid because its a clear act of OOC knowledge driving IC actions.

Marines have no IC way of knowing that Predators are going to aggressively attack and do whatever is needed to retrieve Predator technology, even so far as to boarding the Almayer.

You talk about all this IC shit but it's a laughable reason really, OOC reasons to not do IC things drive this game, marines don't step into eggs on first contact to "make sure the eggs aren't hostile", xenos do much the same in regards to claymores, CAS and OBs. So why should marines and preds be different? Nobody will blame anyone for not taking pred gear to stay alive.

[Steelpoint]

A giant, pulsating, egg is not something you'd normally approach, especially when the xenoforms guarding it are giant lovecraftian monsters.

Xenomorphs are reasonable intelligent in knowledge of Humans and their conduct of warfare.

Gear found off of a dead Alien, one that seemingly attacked your squad for no reason, does not raise the same alarm bells if you return this advance tech to the FoB or the Almayer.

At the end of the day, all I'm advocating is to minimize casualties and not use this as a excuse to gun down excessive Marines. Marines taking some Combistick won't give birth to a marine equilivant of a Predalien so proportional response is preferred.

[MattAtlas]

A giant, pulsating, egg is not something you'd normally approach, especially when the xenoforms guarding it are giant lovecraftian monsters.

Xenomorphs are reasonable intelligent in knowledge of Humans and their conduct of warfare.

Gear found off of a dead Alien, one that seemingly attacked your squad for no reason, does not raise the same alarm bells if you return this advance tech to the FoB or the Almayer.

At the end of the day, all I'm advocating is to minimize casualties and not use this as a excuse to gun down excessive Marines. Marines taking some Combistick won't give birth to a marine equilivant of a Predalien so proportional response is preferred.

When's the last time you played predator?

[Vampmare]

A giant, pulsating, egg is not something you'd normally approach, especially when the xenoforms guarding it are giant lovecraftian monsters.

Xenomorphs are reasonable intelligent in knowledge of Humans and their conduct of warfare.

Gear found off of a dead Alien, one that seemingly attacked your squad for no reason, does not raise the same alarm bells if you return this advance tech to the FoB or the Almayer.

At the end of the day, all I'm advocating is to minimize casualties and not use this as a excuse to gun down excessive Marines. Marines taking some Combistick won't give birth to a marine equilivant of a Predalien so proportional response is preferred.

You're saying it like these marines just happened to stumble upon the tech and returned it to the FOB. That is not the case in 99/100 times.

I don't think you've played much lately, but what happens is that some players hunt the preds for their gear and kill them. These players then run around with the gear or try to bait more preds to them. Nobody is HPC'ing in the FOB cause there happens to be a combistick on the ground.

[Steelpoint]

I think I've played Predator more than you two combined, but this isn't a 'measuring' contest.

I am fully aware there are cunt players who go out of their way to shit on Predators via exploiting mechanics such as the ole RNG KO mechanic and similar.

Nonetheless I am of the opinion that Predators should be to enhance the round in some form. Which is something I feel Predators have a very hard time doing naturally.

[MattAtlas]

I think I've played Predator more than you two combined, but this isn't a 'measuring' contest.

I am fully aware there are cunt players who go out of their way to shit on Predators via exploiting mechanics such as the ole RNG KO mechanic and similar.

Nonetheless I am of the opinion that Predators should be to enhance the round in some form. Which is something I feel Predators have a very hard time doing naturally.

You may have played Predator more but if you haven't played it recently then it means nothing.

You perfectly know of the gangs that go kill preds with KOs and shit, then take the gear to bait preds to kill, they're fully aware of the risk of what they're doing and they know what preds can do. Again, if people want to murk you, you should murk them. If they want to meme you with shit like RNG KOs then I don't really see why you should hold back.

Good luck fighting and winning against a group with BC AP + pred gear using only melee however.

[Vispain]

Well, considering most Commanders and Captains, including me, will seek to protect predator gear recovered, It stand to reason we know stealing technology from a species that has advanced technology may not be the best of ideas.

Furthermore, despite the fact we call predators (as marines) tribals...it is quite obvious to any intelligent observer that just isn't so. Typically, Command gets the idea predators are an elusive species with advanced tech but archaic weaponry and are attacking marines.


Oh and yeah... after playing Predator a bit, I've personally experienced just what this RNG knockout is and how big it is... and how you get groups who will chase and attempt to murk you. They know the risks. They don't care. I've been apart of those groups before. Only way to get 'em to stop is either you don't even encounter them (not possible) or you get them to fuck off after taking casualties...or being wiped.

[Sora9567]

I actually have an effective (on paper) plan for non-lethally (read: not spamming spike launcher/HPC) retrieving shit from roving bands of marines looking to brawl. Initial testing yielded some success, but I still need to check it against marines who didn't shred their own group with (I'm dead serious, by the way) HEFA and setting the shotty marine on fire with blue flame.

So yeah, I need to test it against a group of 4 or more marines who weren't braindead, you get it.