Predators - how do you feel about your gear?

[ThePiachu]

So, I've been meaning to brainstorm this for a bit, and now that I can actually look into tweaking some things it might be worthwhile to actually make this topic.

Predators - how do you feel about your gear, comparatively? Do you feel any of the options could be improved? Do any of them feel less useful than others?

I'm admittedly pretty bad at combat, so feedback from more experienced / robust people than myself would be useful here .

[x31stOverlord]

Scims are amazing.

The Glaive feels a bit too much RNG.

Sword is pretty good.

Combistick is a pretty meh option, it needs a sprite for when it's 2 handed

Scythe is just... Eh.

Chainwhip is alrightish, don't use it all that often though.

Smart Discs need a lot of work done on them if they are to be any good. Increased speed maybe a good starting point.

[MattAtlas]

Scims way too good for 1v1s, pretty much just CC.

Glaive is too RNG and luck based. Not hitting an alien means having to wait 2 more seconds to click again and so on. Hitting marines has a ridicolously high chance to not even work.

Sword is the best primary.

Combi is... ok. Perhaps lacking in dmg but ok overall.

Chainwhip is alright.

Smartdiscs are the big gay, you need like 5 of them to do anything.

Pred traps are way too fucking good and need a rework ASAP. Just make them not be an instant kill, please. Maybe make the mob unable to go past 5ish tiles of the trap - and make humans unable to use them.

[oprayx73]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xIi ... Z-0PA/edit



i hold this very close to my heart. skillbased, honorable, and interesting ranged gameplay & roleplay opportunities
may be abundant if this is pulled off properly.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Buff harpoon damage and make it that they have a chance to stun.

Keep scimitars the way they are

Make it the glavie doesn’t miss as much

Buff the combistick damage

I think traps are fine

[z a n e b o t]

nerf schimitars so these trash preds stop crutching on them killing everything in their path

[Ghostdex]

nerf schimitars so these trash preds stop crutching on them killing everything in their path

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Also smartdisc could be a bit faster

Bring back old traps thx

[TheMaskedMan2]

Scimitars - Extremely Overpowered, they do more damage than the sword at a speed as fast as Wrist Blades and you can't drop them, nerf hard.

Combi-Stick - Needs a two-handed sprite, please give it more damage, it is not viable as a primary because it does barely any more damage than wrist blades, but wristblades are faster and out dps it. A primary weapon should not be weaker than your backup weapon.

Sword - It's alright.

Glaive - Pretty alright as well, though a weird thing with all Pred weapons in general is that Marine armor has a chance to fully block hits, which can be very punishing for the few hits you actually get with this one.

Plasma Pistol - I see no reason to use this over just your plasma caster.

Spike Launcher - OP against humans but weak against Xenos

Hunting Traps - Legitimately just remove these, they aren't fun for anyone and are overpowered as hell. Way too much abuse from Predator players, and Marines that manage to steal them.

Smartdisc - It's actually not terrible but it suffers from SS13 AI being braindead.

Harpoons - More chance to imbed or stun could be useful.

Chainwhip - Niche but it's basically just a weaker sword. I say change it's trip function to something else, like... grabbing people? I don't know.

Scythe - Damage is actually kinda meh but it's a meme for its chance to instantly decapitate people.

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Unrelated Predator Complaint: I'm all for Predator nerfs in general but they should not be able to be knocked unconscious for 40+ seconds by being hit on the head with a knife.

[Survivor]

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Unrelated Predator Complaint: I'm all for Predator nerfs in general but they should not be able to be knocked unconscious for 40+ seconds by being hit on the head with a knife.

I'm a new predator so I haven't made my opinions on the weapons, but even before I was a predator I knew this was an issue.

[Exodus]

Combi-stick - Needs to hit a little harder for two-handing it. It really doesn't do much damage.

Hunting Traps - Really strong, but new honor rules basically make it so that you're only ever going to be using them to fight off hunting squads and things of that like, so I don't see much issue with it.

Smartdisc - Kind of wish this did a little more damage, or was a little faster. As it stands, stuff only gets hit by these when it stands still as far as I can tell.

Harpoons - Totally garbage. I don't even remotely see the use of these.

[Karmac]

Harpoons - The point is to have it embed in a marine after you throw it, making their life suck.

Combi-stick - It's gimmick is the deflecf chance its two handed form has

Smart-disc - If you're using the active form, you should be using a multitude of them for best effect, and they're more intended as a distraction for groups of hostiles anyways.

Hunting Traps - The new rule regarding them is a bandaid fix while we wait for devs to nerf them mechanically

[420MYK]

Primary's

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Combi: feels really meh imo. deflect chance is nice but low damage just makes it feel more like a shield/defensive secondary than anything. (speaking of when we getting more defensive options other than just heavy plate armor?)

Glaive: Big, 'eavy and misses or gets absorbed WAY too much for 50kg of sandstone and steel. That being said though woe is the poor marine that actually gets hit by this and dosent instantly die, coz theyre about to.

Double war scythe: Very nice, my second favorite primary if only for how cool basically ALL the sprites look. It works well, has nice attack rate and medium damage with a chance to inst-delimb without having it happen every 5 seconds.

Chainwhip: My personal favorite though itd be nice if its utility effect of knocking down when aiming for the leg worked more often (Ive ripped a leg off before without knocking them down once even after losing the leg). That and it needs actually spriting because you cant tell if the preds wielding or not.

Sword: Issa sword. Does sword things. Bland, unoriginal but reliable.

Secondary's:

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Spike launcher:OP to marines, Tickles benos. Maybe balance it out, Give it 20 round mag but take away EITHER the IB or broken bone chance. Have it do one or the other and not both with maybe some kinda damage bonus against benos so it evens out against them and isn't completely useless.

Smart discs(Not technically a secondary anymore but i use them like one): I personally like 'em. It would be nice if the bracer macro called them more reliably but eh its still nice to watch them go. Maybe a slight increase to EITHER damage or move speed. Not both. And only very slightly and personally IMO id prefer some more speed to more damage.

Plasma pistol/Rifle: Never used them but the rifle seems like it would be useful for long range sight other than that were barely allowed to shoot someone from 2 screens away so dont really see much point in it aside from binocs and quicker bracer charge.

Heavy armor:Its nice that 1 PB dosent instantly fuck you but you move so slow that that 1 PB turns into 5 anyway so balances out. Decrease the move speed effect it has and give us slightly more speed back and this would be nice.

Bracer upgrades: Personally i think bracer upgrades should only effect speech and energy pool/regen. Scims should be a separate upgrade OR a primary and returned to how they were with quick attacking etc. But even as a primary scims would be VERY stronk. (@devteam The new wrist scims feel just abit TOO slow for what they are, Would it be possible to make them attack twice at once then have almost like a cool down. Wrist blades get the fury dance while wrist scims get two punishing attacks that you gotta wait to use? Just an idea)

Traps: Meh theyre ok now marines cant use them and abuse them. I dont personally use them in combat and only for lodge defense or for if i needa make a quick get away. Shouldnt be being used offensively anyways Give us the High tension hunting net if you want offensive trapping.

And please please please make preds stop getting knocked out by a spindly little space man with a piece of metal smaller than his anabolic steroid shrunk dick.

[Frans_Feiffer]

It’s Combi or nothing.

[Steelpoint]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the main utilities of the Plasma Pistol is that it can very rapidly destroy most walls, even R-Walls? Unless that was nerfed. Otherwise it's a decent self defence weapon against Humans and Xenos that lets you save your plasmacaster energy for more bigger situations.

Hunting Traps should be reworked. Constantly seeing Predators meming Marines by stunning them then cuffing them and dragging them off to the middle of nowhere is stupid to see.

Finally, combi stick really needs a buff. Its one of the more iconic Predator weapons yet it is functionally mediocre

[Sleepy Retard]

Plasma pistol is the greatest breach and clear weapon.

Hm, today I will pain crit everyone in a 5 mile radius.

[simonset55]

Combi is pretty trash and should be buffed in damage, it ain't fun using it either since it's got no sprite.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

FIX THE RNG FOR KNOCKOUTS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD