Skysoldier's Commander Whitelist Application

[Skysoldier]

Byond ID: Skysoldier

Player name you use the most: Musica Hamlio

Make a list of links to all of your applications and (job)ban appeals, including whitelist and staff apps, within the last year. Also, provide "Ban reason; Verdict" beside each (job)ban link:

• No applications or appeals thus far.

Do you understand that any player - even donors or staff members - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our Server Rules or Roleplay Guidelines?
I understand, and will try my best to no violate anything as much as possible.

Why should you be whitelisted?

Well, I have couple of reasons that I, myself want to be commander for, firstly I think I've played SS13 since... 2010-2011? Ignoring the fact I came back like, a month ago and didn't play for like 2-3 straight years, my favorite server that I was always on was dead. (If anyone cares, its LLA, it was the most popular one when I still played) So then I tried to go on other servers such as /tg/ and Goon, and they changed far too much from SS13 I remember that I didn't quite like it. I mean, it felt really fast paced and people were flying everywhere not really talking, people just doing their thing most of the time.

Well... then I went on to the CM server, and well, it's not same as what the whole space station feel of the 'actual' game, but I liked the game play and and whole aesthetics of how these large amount of people can /mostly/ keep to the objective and have somewhat decent RP while there is plenty of action going on, so I got somewhat hooked, and progressively tried the roles. Then well, I believe I got hooked into the CM server, and I'd like to be able to do more and give more if I can.

Since I am bound to be in low pop time for majority of the rounds, I filled in as command role or RO, and actively be acting commander as much as I can with any role if possible to keep everything flowing if needed, and by being able to be commander when no one is here, or there is small amount of commanding officer would allow me and others more immersion in most cases.

Although particularly speaking, I believe I am new and probably have a lot to learn about the game and the community, but few people urged me to try for the commander whitelist so I would give it a try and learn more things along the way, whether this gets approved or not.

[Feweh]

Salted up a bit last night because you died.
But you were good before that.

[Symbiosis]

You RP, you've played XO often and do a great job. Hope you get more +1's.

[Skysoldier]

You RP, you've played XO often and do a great job. Hope you get more +1's.

Hey thanks, now I can feel better about myself, also I do want more people to at least comment on this...

Salted up a bit last night because you died.
But you were good before that.

Yeah sorry, I'll try not to add to the dead chat salt when I get somewhat frustrated...

[Thucydides]

What is your time zone? I can't say I've ever seen your name before.

[Skysoldier]

What is your time zone? I can't say I've ever seen your name before.

My time zone is GMT/UTC +10 (ayy Australia) and for recently I usually play from afternoon... usually as RO or if latejoin, whatever I feel is needed.

[driecg36]

Always a good player, plays a lot of command roles and is always trying to improve/learn. I've had the pleasure of dealing with them OOCly before, and I know they'd make a good CO.

+1

They've had a few command incidents recently which makes me think they aren't quite yet ready for CO, but overall they aren't a bad player, so I will just rescind my +1.

[Cairath]

-1 Because, as it turned out from a Report a Player, you claimed that a Warrant Officer is higher than an Ensign, soon stating that Staff Sergeants are up there with Ensigns. Through this action, you allowed an Ensign to be falsely arrested. If the log in the report proves fake, I'll switch my -1 around, else, learn the ranks first. Report in question: viewtopic.php?p=157536#p157536

[Challenger]

ENS Steve 'Steve' Stevenson asks, "Whats higher ranked?"
WO Isaac Rocheforte says, "I was planning on doing so Sir"
ENS Steve 'Steve' Stevenson says, "A warrant or an ensign"
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Warrant officer actually"
ENS Steve 'Steve' Stevenson asks, "When did that change?"
WO Isaac Rocheforte says, "It never did"
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Mhm."
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Besides, the MPs are staff sergeants"
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Right next to ensign"
ENS Steve 'Steve' Stevenson says, "And im an officer"
LCDR Musica Hamlio asks, "Why would warrant officer be under ensign?"
ENS Steve 'Steve' Stevenson says, "Because a warrant officer isnt a real officer"
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Haaah"
LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Keep up the work WO"

It's funny when ensigns try to order the MPs/CMPs around during an arrest, but sad when the opposite happens during a non-arrest.

I've mixed up ranks before a bit, for example thinking TSGT > SSGT, or that SSGT is E7 not E6. But it looks like there's the two problems here that need to be addressed, which is believing that the WO outranks ENS, and that SSGT ~= ENS?

There could be a reasonable explanation for the confusion so I'm all ears. This did still cause a lot of damage to a person's round.

[Thucydides]

But it looks like there's the two problems here that need to be addressed, which is believing that the WO outranks ENS, and that SSGT ~= ENS?

Yeah, it was the "Besides, the MPs are staff sergeants... Right next to ensign" and "LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Haaah,"which really got to me.

1. The whole concept of "being right next to" in rank having any baring on this interaction just shows a complete misunderstanding of how ranks work. But to be fair, I think a lot of the playerbase probably has misconceptions about how ranks actually work - just because their only experience is with the power dynamics on this server (i.e. "MP arrests anyone + CMP big badass with red eyes = higher rank than usless pilot lol" ).

2. The fact that he was so confident in being wrong that he laughed in the Pilot's face is worrying. I feel like the least we can want from a CO is to consider the possibility of being wrong before making a decision.

[Skysoldier]

Alright I know I fucked up on this and I think I need to explain some parts of it.

-1 Because, as it turned out from a Report a Player, you claimed that a Warrant Officer is higher than an Ensign, soon stating that Staff Sergeants are up there with Ensigns. Through this action, you allowed an Ensign to be falsely arrested. If the log in the report proves fake, I'll switch my -1 around, else, learn the ranks first. Report in question: viewtopic.php?p=157536#p157536

I... actually thought warrant officers were higher then ensigns, and this is a fair point, and seeing what I did, it is definitely true and I am reflecting on it.
The worst thing out of this however is that I genuinely feel bad for messing up one person's round based on this...

It's funny when ensigns try to order the MPs/CMPs around during an arrest, but sad when the opposite happens during a non-arrest.

I've mixed up ranks before a bit, for example thinking TSGT > SSGT, or that SSGT is E7 not E6. But it looks like there's the two problems here that need to be addressed, which is believing that the WO outranks ENS, and that SSGT ~= ENS?

There could be a reasonable explanation for the confusion so I'm all ears. This did still cause a lot of damage to a person's round.

My thought process was actually like this, the RO who is a ensign and his underlings are sergeants, which is lower then Warrant officer and his underlings which are staff sergeants which is higher then sergeants, then since warrant officer controls, well essentially people higher in rank so I thought warrant officers would naturally be higher then ensigns.
... because if I remember correctly, this happened in cargo I believe...

Yeah, it was the "Besides, the MPs are staff sergeants... Right next to ensign" and "LCDR Musica Hamlio says, "Haaah,"which really got to me.

1. The whole concept of "being right next to" in rank having any baring on this interaction just shows a complete misunderstanding of how ranks work. But to be fair, I think a lot of the playerbase probably has misconceptions about how ranks actually work - just because their only experience is with the power dynamics on this server (i.e. "MP arrests anyone + CMP big badass with red eyes = higher rank than usless pilot lol" ).

2. The fact that he was so confident in being wrong that he laughed in the Pilot's face is worrying. I feel like the least we can want from a CO is to consider the possibility of being wrong before making a decision.

Firstly with is that when I say 'haaah', it isn't laughing as any form of mocking or anything, but it's just supposed to be sighing, which is just generally a phrase I currently throw out.

So for the points as I explained above I wasn't comparing staff sergeants to ensigns in my thought process rather, but it came out as such when I said it.
For second point I wasn't exactly laughing at him but rather I thought this discussion was over so it was more in form of leaving it to the WO thinking they will take over this matter.
Seeing as it was a low pop round which didn't have lacked people in most departments like engineering, so I had to go set up engines and other matters, so I wanted to quickly move on to other things and leave the warrant officer to his duties.

[Challenger]

So basically with really shitty math, and the assumption that department heads are X higher rank than their underlings:

WO = SSGT + X
ENS = SGT + X
SSGT = SGT + 1
WO = SGT + 1 + X
WO = ENS + 1

... I just gave myself cancer writing that. The assumption doesn't even hold, the CE's way higher rank relative to his tech sergeants, CO's relatively lower to LTs, etc...

Still, I'm willing to forgive you on it just because the Warrant """"""Officer"""""" is in his own snowflake category. I hope I don't misplace my trust in you that you'll properly refresh yourself on ranks and lore, because otherwise you've done a fairly good job showing you can be a good CO.

[apophis775]

Denied. Requires 70% positive votes.