Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

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Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 28 Sep 2018, 20:03

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Marine Name (so we know who you are; if you play alien mostly, state that here): Andres Addison

Name/Designation of the Synth Character you’re requesting to use (Follows common naming rules, and requires a first name with no last name): Duncan

Are you familiar with the Synthetic Programming and Guidelines (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... 57&t=14417)? Yes

Synthetic Character Story (An ADEQUATE description and story of your Synthetics actions and involvement in a previous mission onboard the Almayer):
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How do you intend to play your Synth (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your Synth and what support roles you’ll mainly focus on, what is your synthetics quirk)?
My character has two quirks;
1) He is capable of simulating the effects of psychoactive drugs (explained in the backstory; he was a pharmaceutical/addictions testing model, which became financially unviable). As a result of this past, he is somewhat unconventional in his speech and outward actions. His speech is somewhat uncouth and informal, and his mannerisms include smoking.
2) His deed/title is still in the possession of Weyland-Yutani, and is currently under lend-lease to the USMC. Because of this, he affords the corporate liaison the same authority as an ensign, and will forward the liaison's ambitions where it does not compromise the mission.

How familiar are you with support roles? (ie; Medical, MT, Science, SO)
Very familiar. I spend a lot of time in medbay, and I've done numerous rounds in req, engineering, and command. When I'm a marine, I often play engineer/medic over combat-focused roles.

Why should we whitelist you?

I love playing shipside logistics roles, but often find that each one has its drawbacks; doctors wait for an hour before they get swamped with surgeries, requisitions can be dead quiet after the first hour, and maintenance technician is hit and miss based on who else is in your department. If I am awarded this whitelist, I'll strive to improve everyone's enjoyment of the round. It just plain sucks when you're a marine waiting and spamming the radio for something that might never happen; if one department sucks, it can potential ruin other people's game. This whitelist will help me accomplish that, and it will improve my own enjoyment of the server.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)? No

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why? No

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or the Synthetic Programming Guideline? Yes
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Sulaboy » 28 Sep 2018, 20:30

Your story is a good length, and is well written, and your answers are pretty good. I have a big problem with your synthetic. First off a synthetic wouldn't feel anything from using a substance, in this case nicotine. The only reason they would ever smoke would be to better assimilate into a crew. Second off, in the USCM guidelines currently you need to follow all orders of command, giving the Liaison authority over your actions isn't something that should be happening. You can assist the liaison, but anyone on the ship's orders would have more merit to a synthetic if we're following the guidelines. So this mostly worries me because of the past history of your synthetic, a synthetic that can "get high" doesn't seem right, and not being owned by the USCM doesn't seem right.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 28 Sep 2018, 20:49

Sulaboy wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 20:30
Your story is a good length, and is well written, and your answers are pretty good. I have a big problem with your synthetic. First off a synthetic wouldn't feel anything from using a substance, in this case nicotine. The only reason they would ever smoke would be to better assimilate into a crew. Second off, in the USCM guidelines currently you need to follow all orders of command, giving the Liaison authority over your actions isn't something that should be happening. You can assist the liaison, but anyone on the ship's orders would have more merit to a synthetic if we're following the guidelines. So this mostly worries me because of the past history of your synthetic, a synthetic that can "get high" doesn't seem right, and not being owned by the USCM doesn't seem right.
Thank you for your feedback. I definitely appreciate your concerns, and understand this is a little outside the norm. I have justified Duncan's ability to use drugs due to sophisticated biomimicry -- chemoreceptors, faux lungs, and so on. I didn't want to go into great depth in the backstory, as I have enough exposition in there as it is.

I really don't intend to use this to get high. I can't even imagine a situation where that can come up in RP.

As for the CL -- They're ranked at ensign. I plan to keep it subtle. This cannot interfere with the operation, as even a lieutenant can override any of the CL's orders.

I realize these quirks are unorthodox, but I really only intend to use them for non-memey RP.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Jakkkk » 28 Sep 2018, 20:50

I'm going to have to give this a -1.

In the story, there is no way I can tell your synthetic isn't a human without you explicately stating it. Plus, your synthetic shouldn't value the Liasion over other ranks. A synth only cares about the Liasion because they are aware of the funding that the Company can provide the USCM, they aren't like "oh I was created by Yutani so that guy is like my creator."

Also, synthetics don't gain any pleasure or high from consuming any drugs like Sulaboy said. There is no point in smoking.
Olaf's dossier: viewtopic.php?f=91&t=16128
Mortimer: viewtopic.php?f=149&t=16195
Xarvis Ut'ur-era: viewtopic.php?f=124&t=17817

Synthetic Council Term One, along with Sleepy Retard and MattAtlas.

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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 28 Sep 2018, 21:05

Jakkkk wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 20:50
I'm going to have to give this a -1.

In the story, there is no way I can tell your synthetic isn't a human without you explicately stating it. Plus, your synthetic shouldn't value the Liasion over other ranks. A synth only cares about the Liasion because they are aware of the funding that the Company can provide the USCM, they aren't like "oh I was created by Yutani so that guy is like my creator."

Also, synthetics don't gain any pleasure or high from consuming any drugs like Sulaboy said. There is no point in smoking.
Thank you for voicing your concerns. I did intend for that to reflect in my story; the character is not a factory-fresh synthetic, nor are they a standard model. I would have to write a novel to do it justice, but I intentionally wrote beyond the level of simple machine owing to Duncan's extensive experience with addiction. I feel that these characteristics would create something which more closely resembles humanity.

I feel that your concerns are deonotological, and don't factor in this particular character's history.

If I had wanted to, I could easily have written some dry, vanilla story about calculating odds, and screaming that the character is synthetic. I went the extra mile to create something unique. I feel that going the extra mile shouldn't preclude me from an opportunity I am more than capable of satisfying.

I understand that something unorthodox might not be to the server's taste right now. If I am denied owing to my character's unique flavor, then I ask that the two month waiting period for reapplication be waived.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by ThesoldierLLJK » 28 Sep 2018, 21:15

This is one of those things in my opinion where I think your heart is in the right place, but I don't see this as being a viable synth or quirk. I know you can RP, but unfortunately my friend, it just won't work with the LORE.
I won't crush your dreams with a -1, but I can't give you a positive vote on this one.

Good luck if you get another shot.

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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Jakkkk » 28 Sep 2018, 21:17

It's not that we don't accept uniqueness, but the way you'd like to play this character doesn't conform to the programming and how a synthetic would act.

Synthetics are supposed to be eerily intelligent, calculated, and subservient. They lack social graces, as they have no need to learn them. Synthetics that are programmed to make facial expressions or act cheery all the time don't apply to this, but you can tell something is off in their performance. Something not human.

Your synthetic however isn't synthetic at all, he speaks and acts just like some MT.
Olaf's dossier: viewtopic.php?f=91&t=16128
Mortimer: viewtopic.php?f=149&t=16195
Xarvis Ut'ur-era: viewtopic.php?f=124&t=17817

Synthetic Council Term One, along with Sleepy Retard and MattAtlas.

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee."

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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 28 Sep 2018, 21:26

Jakkkk wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 21:17
It's not that we don't accept uniqueness, but the way you'd like to play this character doesn't conform to the programming and how a synthetic would act.

Synthetics are supposed to be eerily intelligent, calculated, and subservient. They lack social graces, as they have no need to learn them. Synthetics that are programmed to make facial expressions or act cheery all the time don't apply to this, but you can tell something is off in their performance. Something not human.

Your synthetic however isn't synthetic at all, he speaks and acts just like some MT.
I believe I've addressed these concerns in my explanation -- this not being a standard factory-model synthetic, and possessing faculties singularly unique to this particular model of synthetic. I feel that your opinion is justified in the case of standard models which have not been subjected to this particular character's experiences.

I think the wording you're looking for is that you *are* opposed to this character's uniqueness, because it doesn't conform to the lore-standard. Which is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Sulaboy » 28 Sep 2018, 21:33

Grubstank wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 21:26
I believe I've addressed these concerns in my explanation -- this not being a standard factory-model synthetic, and possessing faculties singularly unique to this particular model of synthetic. I feel that your opinion is justified in the case of standard models which have not been subjected to this particular character's experiences.

I think the wording you're looking for is that you *are* opposed to this character's uniqueness, because it doesn't conform to the lore-standard. Which is a perfectly acceptable opinion to have.
While it's not explicitly stated on the programming guidelines and rules I believe that synthetics should all have some similarity. Following the liaisons orders over that of a PO or any of the SSGTs (Which are the MP's ranks) breaks marine law which synthetic's must follow 100%. The idea of not being owned by the USCM causes some confusion in this. You're by exempt from certain parts of the guidelines because of your synthetic's backstory.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 28 Sep 2018, 23:52

Seeing the abject resistance to this, I'd like permission from the staff to withdraw this application and immediately reapply with a bog-standard synthetic character.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by ThesoldierLLJK » 28 Sep 2018, 23:57

Grubstank wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 23:52
Seeing the abject resistance to this, I'd like permission from the staff to withdraw this application and immediately reapply with a bog-standard synthetic character.
More than likely when EB gets to it, she will allow you to withdraw and repost in 30 days

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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Grubstank » 29 Sep 2018, 00:10

ThesoldierLLJK wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 23:57
More than likely when EB gets to it, she will allow you to withdraw and repost in 30 days
Well, I appreciate your insight. That being said, the objections are to the character, not the player -- had I applied with a typical character, there likely wouldn't be any issues. I don't believe a waiting period would hold any merit in this instance.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Sleepy Retard » 30 Sep 2018, 11:22

I'm up for him to be able to reapply as soon as possible, but that's just me.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by MattAtlas » 30 Sep 2018, 14:11

Gonna have to give this a -1 for reasons already explained.

I think your heart was in the right place though. Wouldn't mind if you were able to reapply sooner.
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Re: Duncan - Grubstank's Synthetic Application

Post by Emeraldblood » 09 Oct 2018, 12:04

Resolved - Withdrawn; Your wait time starts from Sep 28th, 2018.
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