Lepus Synthetic Application

Helo · Post by **Helo** » 27 Nov 2018, 22:24

Byond ID: Lepus

Marine Name (so we know who you are; if you play alien mostly, state that here): Alger Palmer

Name/Designation of the Synth Character you’re requesting to use (Follows common naming rules, and requires a first name with no last name): Ulysses

Are you familiar with the Synthetic Programming and Guidelines (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... 57&t=14417)?

I've read over it more than once.

Synthetic Character Story (An ADEQUATE description and story of your Synthetics actions and involvement in a previous mission onboard the Almayer):

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How do you intend to play your Synth (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your Synth and what support roles you’ll mainly focus on, what is your synthetics quirk)?

Ulysses quirk is that he's an old school noir detective where he uses noir slang and acts as if he's in an old noir movie.

How familiar are you with support roles? (ie; Medical, MT, Science, SO)

Since I've first joined CM I was interested in Doctor and not gonna lie I ruined a lot of surgeries until Sal "Spaghetti" Spanelli. Then I moved into Squad Medic where I learned combat medicine and such when a marine acted like he was addicted to tramadol, shoved me and caused me to die to a runner. So I moved into MP and fell in love with it because of how much action and detective work there was to be done. Then I moved into MT did some shenanigans and started learning engineering and I can confidently say I can build and remove walls and make an autolathe off the top of my noggin. After that I recently moved into SO and SL where I have received complements on straightening out the squad and keep them from running off, straying away and acting like Rambo.

Why should we whitelist you?

I think y'all should whitelist me because this would expand my ability to become more all rounded and be more flexible to those around me (god knows everyone needs to be more flexible) and help others learn how to play the game by showing them how its meant to be done (everyone knows how hard it is to explain to someone what to do without physically showing them) And I love support roles.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)?

Not that I know of or can remember.

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why?

Not sure if the discord counts but I was banned for posting "NSFW" content (anyone who's interested in specifics it was boob drop meme where right before anything actually lewd is shown it cuts to a guy saying "YOU GOT CAUGHT LACKIN" then I called out a mod saying "ha I caught him lacking" after he told me to stop. Keep in mind that this was months ago and I have since apologized and regretted my actions)

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or the Synthetic Programming Guideline?

Of course

VortexGaming · Post by **VortexGaming** » 28 Nov 2018, 10:30

Alright Ill start with this:
The format is good, as well as the story. The quirk is pretty unique too an over all well rounded application.
Onto my concerns:
Yesterday I had a run in with you, You space lubed the CL's office as well as some area's by the APC's in CIC hallway IIRC, I also dont want you to just push to be an MP every round because your quirk is a Noir detective as to me that would be a waste of a synthetic slot if there are like 3 mp's and you go around asking the CMP to help him, where req could you your help more and such. If you could also get me a semi accurate date of the day of your discord ban, I would also like to know the server and if you ever tried to appeal it.
I'm also a bit worried by the low forum posts aswell.

For now ill be neutral.

Helo · Post by **Helo** » 28 Nov 2018, 12:18

VortexGaming wrote: ↑
28 Nov 2018, 10:30
Alright Ill start with this:
The format is good, as well as the story. The quirk is pretty unique too an over all well rounded application.
Onto my concerns:
Yesterday I had a run in with you, You space lubed the CL's office as well as some area's by the APC's in CIC hallway IIRC, I also dont want you to just push to be an MP every round because your quirk is a Noir detective as to me that would be a waste of a synthetic slot if there are like 3 mp's and you go around asking the CMP to help him, where req could you your help more and such. If you could also get me a semi accurate date of the day of your discord ban, I would also like to know the server and if you ever tried to appeal it.
I'm also a bit worried by the low forum posts aswell.

For now ill be neutral.

About the lube issue, I saw a couple other MTs use it and thought it would be funny to prank the CL as is tradition when you're MT So I lubed his office, which you or another staff member warned me not to use it. I explained I only thought it was against the rules to use it in combat for obvious reasons and I since said I wont do it again. About the discord it was the discord thats linked in the forums on the little tab. The date Im unsure it may have been a few months ago not too sure as Im incredibly bad with time. I haven't tried to appeal as I think its temporary (if you could check and make sure its not permanent then I'll apply)

Jakkkk · Post by **Jakkkk** » 28 Nov 2018, 21:56

Personally it's a -1 one from me, the quirk is way too human for my liking, you couldn't know Ulysses was a synthetic besides the CMP blatantly speaking it.

Synthetics are supposed to be awkward in a sense, they do not 100% fit in with the rest of humanity. While some have quirks that are more easily conformative like humor and bodily expressions, you can tell that something is off with them.

Lines to support my verdict of too human are: "Well its simple, look at how precise the cuts are and the single bullet from his head showing this man didn't know what "hit" him... HA get it!? Its a hit like a hitman." Synthetics don't find shit funny and this seems like he sincerely finds it funny.

"What did you take off of that poor soul you little thief?" Ulysses states getting closer to her face. A synthetic officer would most likely use the term victim instead of poor soul, because poor soul sort of implies that they feel pity for the person who was murdered. Also little thief is more of an insult, and synthetics do not insult people. Humans insult other humans because it's funny or they are frustrated, synthetics feel neither of those.

MattAtlas · Post by **MattAtlas** » 29 Nov 2018, 08:28

Jakkkk wrote: ↑
28 Nov 2018, 21:56
Personally it's a -1 one from me, the quirk is way too human for my liking, you couldn't know Ulysses was a synthetic besides the CMP blatantly speaking it.

Synthetics are supposed to be awkward in a sense, they do not 100% fit in with the rest of humanity. While some have quirks that are more easily conformative like humor and bodily expressions, you can tell that something is off with them.

Lines to support my verdict of too human are: "Well its simple, look at how precise the cuts are and the single bullet from his head showing this man didn't know what "hit" him... HA get it!? Its a hit like a hitman." Synthetics don't find shit funny and this seems like he sincerely finds it funny.

"What did you take off of that poor soul you little thief?" Ulysses states getting closer to her face. A synthetic officer would most likely use the term victim instead of poor soul, because poor soul sort of implies that they feel pity for the person who was murdered. Also little thief is more of an insult, and synthetics do not insult people. Humans insult other humans because it's funny or they are frustrated, synthetics feel neither of those.

Usually I don't mind quirks being too human, but I'm echoing Jakkkk here. This whole quirk just feels really... odd, inconsistent, and no matter how I think about it, it looks like something a human would do and not a synth.

Gonna be a -1 from me for now.

Helo · Post by **Helo** » 29 Nov 2018, 15:57

Jakkkk wrote: ↑
28 Nov 2018, 21:56
Personally it's a -1 one from me, the quirk is way too human for my liking, you couldn't know Ulysses was a synthetic besides the CMP blatantly speaking it.

Synthetics are supposed to be awkward in a sense, they do not 100% fit in with the rest of humanity. While some have quirks that are more easily conformative like humor and bodily expressions, you can tell that something is off with them.

Lines to support my verdict of too human are: "Well its simple, look at how precise the cuts are and the single bullet from his head showing this man didn't know what "hit" him... HA get it!? Its a hit like a hitman." Synthetics don't find shit funny and this seems like he sincerely finds it funny.

"What did you take off of that poor soul you little thief?" Ulysses states getting closer to her face. A synthetic officer would most likely use the term victim instead of poor soul, because poor soul sort of implies that they feel pity for the person who was murdered. Also little thief is more of an insult, and synthetics do not insult people. Humans insult other humans because it's funny or they are frustrated, synthetics feel neither of those.

I get that synths are supposed to be somewhat awkward but the synths, they're made to be more humanlike and based on my characters quirk he is supposed to crack jokes and be a bit condescending because if you've watched any Noir crime movies and such you'd see thats how they typically do things (something to do with pressure or something to get people to admit something) but I can see what you mean that I should tone it down a bit but there should be a more clear definition on how synths should act because on the guidelines and such it doesnt explain that they cant be hyper robotic or cant be overly condescending or anything or the boundaries for a quirk and whatnot because you cant rely on common sense because there really is no border for synths besides the movies and comics which also dont go really in depth.

Jakkkk · Post by **Jakkkk** » 29 Nov 2018, 16:45

Think of it this way, your synthetic is programmed to act like a noir film detective with their dialect and body language, but detectives in those films are driven by the need for justice and righteousness.

Where you fell was when you included the emotional drive for their actions in the synthetics dialogue, a synthetic doesn't give a shit about justice. They adhere to their programming and the success of the mission, they don't sincerely care for doing what's right and wrong.

Helo · Post by **Helo** » 29 Nov 2018, 17:11

Jakkkk wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2018, 16:45
Think of it this way, your synthetic is programmed to act like a noir film detective with their dialect and body language, but detectives in those films are driven by the need for justice and righteousness.

Where you fell was when you included the emotional drive for their actions in the synthetics dialogue, a synthetic doesn't give a shit about justice. They adhere to their programming and the success of the mission, they don't sincerely care for doing what's right and wrong.

Of course they dont care but it doesnt mean they cant recreate it. I mean of course he cant feel but that doesnt mean he cant recreate emotion like others. Like i said the point of synths is to be humanlike and to act like humans otherwise they'd just be called robits. Its not thinking outside of the box if they just recreate dialogue and emotion. There are accepted synth applications where the synth is timid, shy and whatnot I mean of course a synth cant be shy as they dont have emotion like you said but it doesnt mean its "unsynth like" I can see what you mean by not making your synth walk around saying "Hi chief I hate you" and genuinely feeling emotion but if they're just impersonating someone or something it doesnt mean they have emotions or whatnot.

Sidenote - why isnt there another guideline on this stuff? Because any app that gets denied from a miscommunication it causes the person to wait 2 months (which is odd because you have to wait 30 to apply as mod but 2 months as synth.)

VortexGaming · Post by **VortexGaming** » 29 Nov 2018, 20:08

Helo wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2018, 17:11
Of course they dont care but it doesnt mean they cant recreate it. I mean of course he cant feel but that doesnt mean he cant recreate emotion like others. Like i said the point of synths is to be humanlike and to act like humans otherwise they'd just be called robits. Its not thinking outside of the box if they just recreate dialogue and emotion. There are accepted synth applications where the synth is timid, shy and whatnot I mean of course a synth cant be shy as they dont have emotion like you said but it doesnt mean its "unsynth like" I can see what you mean by not making your synth walk around saying "Hi chief I hate you" and genuinely feeling emotion but if they're just impersonating someone or something it doesnt mean they have emotions or whatnot.

Sidenote - why isnt there another guideline on this stuff? Because any app that gets denied from a miscommunication it causes the person to wait 2 months (which is odd because you have to wait 30 to apply as mod but 2 months as synth.)

The point Jakkk here is trying to make is that if you are basically just acting straight up human with some sort of gimmick it doesnt really give you that uncanny valley effect. Which is sort of what you want as a synth that basically shows "Im not just a human that talks weird"
im going to Quote Solarmare and what he said in discord yesterday:
"An important part of can be synth showing that you aren't human directly because of your quirk
Like alicia saying "don't worry sweetie" to a marine being torn about by xenos and not interfering due to the risk to themselves You need to show similar things in your story aswell.

as for your side note? I do believe if you just get denied straight up its 2 months wait time but if you withdraw your app its one month.

I would say go into our white list help section on discord but you are currently banned, I would suggest appealing that ban as I believe you cant be a mod (if you attempt to apply) without getting it appealed. It would also put ease in people if you had it appealed as well for other white lists you apply for/

Helo · Post by **Helo** » 29 Nov 2018, 20:25

VortexGaming wrote: ↑
29 Nov 2018, 20:08
The point Jakkk here is trying to make is that if you are basically just acting straight up human with some sort of gimmick it doesnt really give you that uncanny valley effect. Which is sort of what you want as a synth that basically shows "Im not just a human that talks weird"
im going to Quote Solarmare and what he said in discord yesterday:
"An important part of can be synth showing that you aren't human directly because of your quirk
Like alicia saying "don't worry sweetie" to a marine being torn about by xenos and not interfering due to the risk to themselves You need to show similar things in your story aswell.

as for your side note? I do believe if you just get denied straight up its 2 months wait time but if you withdraw your app its one month.

I would say go into our white list help section on discord but you are currently banned, I would suggest appealing that ban as I believe you cant be a mod (if you attempt to apply) without getting it appealed. It would also put ease in people if you had it appealed as well for other white lists you apply for/

Got it chief thanks for the clarification

Solarmare · Post by **Solarmare** » 29 Nov 2018, 21:11

Synths just have one personality trait which is how they always act more or less, there isn't much variance and where there is it's very minor or just neutrality(synths do not feel emotions and are driven by logic) The issue as pointed out is you're displaying too many separate things which can be traits, which make them seem human when it's a good chance to explicitly show that you are not with an improper response to a situation. Overall the discord ban and lube show that you might also have other potential problems as well as a synth.

If you're going to do this again you need to hone the quirk to or choose one that's one specific aspect and little else, I'm going with a -1 for now. Getting the discord ban lifted and causing no other issues on the server would help you in the future.

Awesomesauce935 · Post by **Awesomesauce935** » 30 Nov 2018, 17:22

While i love the whole noir detective thing, i don't think it's right that a synth would be doing it. Now i am fully down for a Noir Detective CMP, so i guess make requests for a trenchcoat and hat to be added to the CMP's gear locker.

-1 mainly for the quirk, the rest of the application is decent.

Sleepy Retard · Post by **Sleepy Retard** » 05 Dec 2018, 00:27

-1 from me, read Jakkk's comments.

ThesoldierLLJK · Post by **ThesoldierLLJK** » 05 Dec 2018, 09:28

You want to play that quirk, play MP and do it that way instead.
-1

Emeraldblood · Post by **Emeraldblood** » 08 Dec 2018, 16:11

Quirk doesn't fit well for a Synth or a USCM Synth. If you ever appeal your discord ban and it unlifted, we have a whitelist app help channel there.

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