Official Removal and Goodbye.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Jonesome » 06 Mar 2018, 17:40

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WHY was this only an issue when it was a girl was offended, when in the past Feweh had been a far larger asshole to other players. It just seems odd to remove him over something so insignificant when he had done far worse many times in the past.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Recounted » 06 Mar 2018, 17:49

What the fuck?

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Tornadium » 06 Mar 2018, 18:37

Jonesome wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 17:40
Worse than ˢᵉˣᵘᵃˡ ʰᵃʳᵃˢˢᵐᵉⁿᵗ?
I mean, I wouldn't consider that sexual harassment. Yeah it was a dick thing to say not harassment though.

"Harassment covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behavior that disturbs or upsets, and it is characteristically repetitive."

Being a dick to someone for 10 minutes and saying a word twice does not constitute harassment, It's just that. Being a dick.

The mute button is also a thing.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by forwardslashN » 06 Mar 2018, 18:46

What a ride. I know the server won't be the same without you, for better or worse, but now you can focus on other things.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Jonesome » 06 Mar 2018, 19:05

Tornadium wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 18:37
I mean, I wouldn't consider that sexual harassment. Yeah it was a dick thing to say not harassment though.
The definition of sexual harassment includes making obscene remarks about someone based upon their sex.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Helgraf » 06 Mar 2018, 19:23

Before I begin, I'm going to state that I haven't read the report yet, so I don't know exactly what happened besides some stuff said about it here.

Let me begin by saying that I didn't really know Feweh that well, even though I was staff here for close to a year. Did I like him that much? I'll be blunt and say no. Did I hate him? No. I don't really like him or hate him. I'm sort of on the fence, although I may lean a bit towards disliking him. Did I find him to be an asshole many times? I did. However, I won't deny the things that he did for this server, whether they for the better or the worse.

I don't really have much else to say about him. As mentioned previously, I didn't really know him that well or talk with him much, even when I was staff here. While I may not like him, I believe that he deserves some respect, even if many of the things he's done makes him seem like an asshole. All in all, RIP Feweh.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Tornadium » 06 Mar 2018, 19:37

Jonesome wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 19:05
The definition of sexual harassment includes making obscene remarks about someone based upon their sex.
It really doesn't nor is it enforceable in the case of something so mild as this. I guarantee you not a single human being would be prosecuted for sexual harassment for calling someone a slut, That's not how the world works. We're not here to debate that however and this isn't the place for it. I would also argue that the term has become very gender neutral as of late also.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by KingPhilipIII » 06 Mar 2018, 20:10

Jonesome wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 19:05
The definition of sexual harassment includes making obscene remarks about someone based upon their sex.
sex·u·al ha·rass·ment
noun
harassment (typically of a woman) in a workplace, or other professional or social situation, involving the making of unwanted sexual advances or obscene remarks.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by edda » 06 Mar 2018, 20:25

Feweh absolutely deserved removal on account of his actions w.r.t. Corazon. The debate over harassment is just semantics, the behavior in itself is absolutely inappropriate in CM staff, although I'd certainly compliment the staff in general for being able to maturely handle this matter. If the same thing happened over at Paradise? Yeah, good luck getting any staff member removed.

THAT SAID, Feweh was a great admin (outside of certain conversations), and his events reflect his dedication to the server as well as his ability to make fun custom games. I will indeed miss him and his removal of dabbers' limbs.

And I hope Corazon is still with us. Fisher is a great character and I hope to see her deploy again.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by JennerH » 06 Mar 2018, 20:47

edda wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 20:25
Feweh absolutely deserved removal on account of his actions w.r.t. Corazon. The debate over harassment is just semantics, the behavior in itself is absolutely inappropriate in CM staff, although I'd certainly compliment the staff in general for being able to maturely handle this matter. If the same thing happened over at Paradise? Yeah, good luck getting any staff member removed.

THAT SAID, Feweh was a great admin (outside of certain conversations), and his events reflect his dedication to the server as well as his ability to make fun custom games. I will indeed miss him and his removal of dabbers' limbs.

And I hope Corazon is still with us. Fisher is a great character and I hope to see her deploy again.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Casany » 06 Mar 2018, 20:50

I think it’s sexism. Feweh is a dick to everyone. He makes obscene remarks to everyone. But the second a woman is offended he’s removed. If a man had made the same report on something like this nothing woulda been done.

Feweh was a cool guy. Dunno what else to say honestly. But his reason for removal was just stupid. But that’s my opinion.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Jonesome » 06 Mar 2018, 20:51

Tornadium wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 19:37
It really doesn't nor is it enforceable in the case of something so mild as this. I guarantee you not a single human being would be prosecuted for sexual harassment for calling someone a slut, That's not how the world works. We're not here to debate that however and this isn't the place for it. I would also argue that the term has become very gender neutral as of late also.
No one mentioned anything about being prosecuted. But guaranteed you'd never be able to say stuff like this in your workplace. Just because someone wouldn't press charges doesn't mean you can't be punished.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Tornadium » 06 Mar 2018, 20:55

Jonesome wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 20:51
No one mentioned anything about being prosecuted. But guaranteed you'd never be able to say stuff like this in your workplace. Just because someone wouldn't press charges doesn't mean you can't be punished.
Depends entirely on your workplace and on the people involved.

Most people have enough common sense to realize when someone isn't being malicious.

As I said, not the place. Come to shitposting for a debate.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Jonesome » 06 Mar 2018, 21:00

Tornadium wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 20:55
As I said, not the place. Come to shitposting for a debate.
What, acid goop? Also there's a fine line between joking and bullying.

EDIT: I just emailed my coworker calling her a slut and I got fired, I should never have taken your advice Tornadium.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by RobBrown4PM » 06 Mar 2018, 21:10

This is a game at the end of the day, and we all have real lives to worry about. None of us come on here to get spoken down to, issued derogatory remarks, insulted, et cetera. Leave the crap aside and have some fun playing a stupid 2D spessman game that we all for some reason love and enjoy.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Swagile » 06 Mar 2018, 21:12

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by edda » 06 Mar 2018, 21:47

Jenner wrote:
06 Mar 2018, 20:47
Wait, we can dab in relative safety now?!
Yeah, you can thank observers and LOOC chatters for informing the Fewhrer about dabbers, so the appropriate steps may be taken to punish them.

Now with him gone, I can't imagine who would fill the void...
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by manezinho » 07 Mar 2018, 00:20

Never knew you but you seemed like a swell dude. I've seen many of your events and I enjoyed a good amount of them. Reading appeals won't be the same without seeing your pink name plastered over every single one.

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Sebro » 07 Mar 2018, 00:55

RIP

I get "why" you got removed, I just don't understand WHY you got removed.
You've been pretty cool though, so it's upsetting to see such a longtime member removed from staff.
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by QuackingFlack » 07 Mar 2018, 14:59

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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by BiohazardZERO » 07 Mar 2018, 20:30

Who is going to remove my arms now?
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Re: Official Removal and Goodbye.

Post by Youbar » 13 Mar 2018, 21:16

See you later, leaf. Looks like the rake finally got you.
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