Cooldown before nests can be used.

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Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Trench007 » 17 May 2017, 16:47

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Have a cooldown before a nest becomes usable.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
A builder caste will no longer be able to tackle and then quickly nest a marine. Meaning, they won't be able to tackle a marine and immediately nest them (rendering a marine completely helpless, who can be killed quickly). Which, I've noticed is especially easy and should not be a tactic available to xenos.

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This suggestion may seem like a complaint coming from an unrobust marine, but the whole tactic of one quick tackle and then nest seems a bit cheap. Tweaking when a nest can become usable, will promote combat rather than using nests as an automatic death sentence to stunned opponents.

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Just have a, "enter reasonable number here", cooldown for making nests usable.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by NoahKirchner » 17 May 2017, 16:48

+1, combat nesting is 4 nerds
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Kerek » 17 May 2017, 17:11

Nothing more aggrivating than a combat drone with nests.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by phil235 » 17 May 2017, 17:36

Probably easier to have building the nest take some time and require the xeno to stand still.

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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by TheDonkified » 17 May 2017, 17:56

phil235 wrote:Probably easier to have building the nest take some time and require the xeno to stand still.
+1 to this and doors / walls. Seeing building castes in the front lines immediately pooping out walls and doors to deny line of sight / a push during the heat of battle is just as annoying as combat nesting in my opinion.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Trench007 » 17 May 2017, 18:02

phil235 wrote:Probably easier to have building the nest take some time and require the xeno to stand still.
Yeah, as long as there is a delay I'm happy.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by TJ3003 » 17 May 2017, 18:16

Andkert wrote:+1 to this and doors / walls. Seeing building castes in the front lines immediately pooping out walls and doors to deny line of sight / a push during the heat of battle is just as annoying as combat nesting in my opinion.
While I completely +1 the CD of being able to nest people shortly after the creation of a Nest its self, I do not think that doors or walls should be any weaker from their creation on the front lines, pushing up defenses is something that helps Xenos move up in a steady manor, expanding their tactics and giving Drones something to do other then emit pheromones and build on the boring back lines. Not to mention doors/walls can be destroyed in a few bursts of a rifle anyway, and the drone isnt exactly the strongest caste health wise either..

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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by TheDonkified » 17 May 2017, 19:11

TJ3003 wrote:While I completely +1 the CD of being able to nest people shortly after the creation of a Nest its self, I do not think that doors or walls should be any weaker from their creation on the front lines, pushing up defenses is something that helps Xenos move up in a steady manor, expanding their tactics and giving Drones something to do other then emit pheromones and build on the boring back lines. Not to mention doors/walls can be destroyed in a few bursts of a rifle anyway, and the drone isnt exactly the strongest caste health wise either..
I'm not saying that walls should take 5 seconds or longer for construction. A 1 or 2 second delay won't make hive construction "unsteady," but it will just stop wall and door cheese in the middle of a battle.

Also, just the fact that it takes a few BURSTS of a rifle to take out a door / wall is completely why it shouldn't be a insta construction. That slows down the momentum of any push. Instead of pushing the xenos, marines have to stop and fire into walls / doors that take some time to take out, and in that span of time, a good amount of xenos could have already recovered or built even more walls / doors to give them even more time to recover.

Hive building shouldn't be slowed down or made more difficult, HOWEVER, xenos shouldn't have the ability to make an instant and slightly durable buffer from marines.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Crab_Spider » 17 May 2017, 20:46

Andkert wrote:I'm not saying that walls should take 5 seconds or longer for construction. A 1 or 2 second delay won't make hive construction "unsteady," but it will just stop wall and door cheese in the middle of a battle.

Also, just the fact that it takes a few BURSTS of a rifle to take out a door / wall is completely why it shouldn't be a insta construction. That slows down the momentum of any push. Instead of pushing the xenos, marines have to stop and fire into walls / doors that take some time to take out, and in that span of time, a good amount of xenos could have already recovered or built even more walls / doors to give them even more time to recover.

Hive building shouldn't be slowed down or made more difficult, HOWEVER, xenos shouldn't have the ability to make an instant and slightly durable buffer from marines.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by YungCuz » 18 May 2017, 02:04

Crab_Spider wrote:Buckshot makes quick work of walls and doors.
That doesnt matter this kind of thing shouldn't be done at all and should be impossible to do easily.
+1 to this and the other things about delays about walls and doors cause this is legit pain and agony to witness repeatidly.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Reuben Owen » 18 May 2017, 10:11

I'll +1 this but I want to point out tackling as a drone is hella risky.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Simo94 » 18 May 2017, 10:28

-1 how the fuck do you even lose to drones when you have ranged weapons.........
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Crab_Spider » 18 May 2017, 10:43

Simo94 wrote:-1 how the fuck do you even lose to drones when you have ranged weapons.........
I was running from a ravager once and saw a drone, it tackled me down and then made a nest. The ravager came in and finished me off. I would have had a fair fight, but then the drone just abused a system and used the loophole in the rules and then killed me while I wasn't able to move for 2 minutes.
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Trench007 » 18 May 2017, 12:23

Simo94 wrote:-1 how the fuck do you even lose to drones when you have ranged weapons.........
It is not necessarily lose, it just takes one successful tackle by the drone to take you out for two minutes. That, is much easier to pull off in tight corridors either on the planet or the Almayer. Often, drones use these tactics against isolated marines and only risk it when they are well upgraded (like elite or ancient).
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Simo94 » 18 May 2017, 13:05

Trench007 wrote:It is not necessarily lose, it just takes one successful tackle by the drone to take you out for two minutes. That, is much easier to pull off in tight corridors either on the planet or the Almayer. Often, drones use these tactics against isolated marines and only risk it when they are well upgraded (like elite or ancient).
elite or ancient drone taking out a lone marine in a tight corridor? sounds balanced as fuck if you ask me
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Re: Cooldown before nests can be used.

Post by Crab_Spider » 18 May 2017, 13:13

Simo94 wrote:elite or ancient drone taking out a lone marine in a tight corridor? sounds balanced as fuck if you ask me
Yes but when that drone just decides to tackle, and then nest and then slash to death, that's when the word balance loses its meaning.
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