Crushers get slowed or stopped by flame.

[Sneakyr]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):
Crushers should be slowed or stopped by flamer blasts, depending on how many tiles are in their path.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
Better counter to crushers, less memeing past flames (their main counter, since a SADAR has a huge checklist of things for it to work, not limited to actually having one, having him in the area, him having the right type of ammo loaded, etc).

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):
If there is one tile of flame, the crusher charges right past it with no problem.
If there are two tiles of flame that the crusher would be charging through, it gets slowed down and loses a lot of momentum, but is still in charge mode.
If there are three tiles of flame, the crusher is stopped at the third tile and has to hoof it back through the flames. Ideally, a crusher will never charge through flames once this is implemented, so this should rarely happen.
Makes crushers have to think and be careful when they play and improves their counter a bit.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):

I may edit this to read a bit more fluid, I typed this up in the intermissions of 3 rounds.

[Jaketeaking]

+1. the crusher is supposed to be in massive pain from the flames, so this makes sense

[Crab_Spider]

Having fire actually slow it down would imply it cares about its individually. Crushers are Praetorians, they exist to defend the Hive and the Queen, meaning they would not pull back if they feel pain.

[Sneakyr]

Having fire actually slow it down would imply it cares about its individually. Crushers are Praetorians, they exist to defend the Hive and the Queen, meaning they would not pull back if they feel pain.

Not to be dismissive of lore, but this is something that should be done for gameplay reasons. Lore is great for RP, but I can't see anybody having a huge RP disaster because a crusher got slowed down in fire.

[Butterrobber202]

-1

Aliens don't care about dying, if it benefits the hive They'll charge through hell if the Queen wills it.

[MrJJJ]

You guys do realise we play in a game where we have runners that suicide charge like idiots and aliens that abandon their queen after she has been downed, right?

Using lore as a excuse to let a crusher go through 5 tiles of flames safely is preety dumb. (i am not even joking when i say that me and other crushers have went through the flames with our charge and then still escaped by doing the same easily.)

[TheDonkified]

+1. Crushers can easily negate the effectiveness of a flamer by continuing to charge straight down the path it was going and then charging back through the flames again back to safety.

[Monoo]

Having fire actually slow it down would imply it cares about its individually. Crushers are Praetorians, they exist to defend the Hive and the Queen, meaning they would not pull back if they feel pain.

Negative soldier, the movies state pretty clearly that xenos hate fire.

[Crab_Spider]

Negative soldier, the movies state pretty clearly that xenos hate fire.

Which movies?

[Jroinc1]

+1.
I just saw a mature crusher charge in, then out again through 3 tiles of fire, and was lightly injured. The hard counter don't do shit. That's a balance issue.

[Monoo]

Which movies?

Alien, Aliens, Alien 3

[Renomaki]

Aliens may be mindless troopers, but they still know pain.

Considering how strong Crushers have been as of late, I think it would be fair to give them some kind of weakness. They already have good protection against bullets, so why make it so fire has little effect on them? Should make a logical trade off, just as how the ravager is a speedy glass cannon.

[TheMaskedMan2]

+1 Make fire better against crushers basically.

[Edgelord]

Aliens may be mindless troopers, but they still know pain.

Considering how strong Crushers have been as of late, I think it would be fair to give them some kind of weakness. They already have good protection against bullets, so why make it so fire has little effect on them? Should make a logical trade off, just as how the ravager is a speedy glass cannon.

This. Xenomorphs do exhibit strong self-preservation behavior when the hive's safety does not require their sacrifice. Plus I imagine the napalm would seep into the cracks of the Crusher's armor and literally cook it alive inside its own skin. I 100% support a crusher nerf in the form of notable weakness to fire.

+1

[Araulius]

+1. Currently crushers just walk through flame tiles like it's nothing. Hard counter currently non-existent. Please make crushers not invincible. Thanks.

[Ikmalmn]

We must spirit bomb this suggestion with +1 so that we don't get memed.

[TheDonkified]

I'll keep bumping this until crushers get nerfed or a more viable counter for them happens.

[Araulius]

+1, crushers are nigh invincible atm. It would be cool to have flamers be a bit more viable.

[Sneakyr]

With the new specialist update, getting a spec weapon loaded against a crusher is even harder than before.

[misto]

flames do not sound like they would stop such a large charging beast, but perhaps other qualities could be applied? we know that aliens hate flame and feel pain from it, despite their selfless nature.

perhaps the great pain could cloud their senses and make it harder for the player to see briefly?

[Sneakyr]

flames do not sound like they would stop such a large charging beast, but perhaps other qualities could be applied? we know that aliens hate flame and feel pain from it, despite their selfless nature.

perhaps the great pain could cloud their senses and make it harder for the player to see briefly?

The flamer, as a crusher counter (one of its biggest jobs), is pretty terrible. Since this change is relatively small but still gets the desired result (a plausible crusher counter), making sense doesn't really matter in my opinion.

[misto]

i am just saying, it is possible to think up other debuffs the flamer could cause that would debilitate the enemy, if everyone is responding negatively to it slowing or stopping them

[doodeeda]

+1, flamer should be feared.

[Jeser]

Agree on this thopic, fire should be more dangerous for Crushers, also we need at least some viable way of area denial against crushers.

[Sneakyr]

Bumping to see if we can get any more support or a dev response before the suggestion purge hits this thread, too.