No more Crushers crushing through rock

[MrMafioso]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):
Don't allow Crushers to go through rock which they can do in Big Red.
Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):
No more Crushers avoiding the defence mainly on Big Red by just ramming through the rock.
Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):
It just works/No more defence skipping/removing 90% of the maps rocks.
Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Slavery.

[Jaketeaking]

-1. no. so marines can set up chokepoints and xenos have to run into them? nah.

[MrMafioso]

-1. no. so marines can set up chokepoints and xenos have to run into them? nah.

I suggested this because it was legit like 2 rounds ago that a few Crushers literally avoided the entire FOB and just went through the rocks not ganna lie it was funny but it was literally an hour or so long round, and had no major event or play value.

[Tidomann]

I thought hivelords were the ones to make tunnels to bypass defense. Do hivelords have the ability to dig through walls too?

[misto]

hivelords make those weird ladderlike teleport tunnels, i think, which people hardly ever use

if you mean the crushers are digging a way west, i have bad news, just ghost around and youll see theres a premade tunnel that leads straight behind the tcomms antenna room, so a crusher is not necessary at all to flank there, only a boiler

[Jory13]

-1 Marines can dig tunnels too, why can't xenos, it gives flexibility to an assault.

[Sailor Dave]

I don't think xenos should be punished for playing smart and going AROUND your defenses instead of slamming facefirst into them.

[Jroinc1]

-1 Marines can dig tunnels too, why can't xenos, it gives flexibility to an assault.

Marines are not allowed to dig tunnels. You can, but it's a ban.

[Mr.Smooooth]

+1 Aliens metarushed hard that round. Crushers somehow boring through rock makes no logical sense anyway. That's solid rock, even if you're smashing it, where are the pieces going?

[misto]

how fast is their tunnelling? maybe if it were more gradual, would it be considered more fair? i agree its strange that charging digs tunnels, it should be done by clawing at the rocks

[Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws]

Marines are not allowed to dig tunnels. You can, but it's a ban.

Source? Pickaxes can be found in-game, and I don't see that listed anywhere in the rules

[Jroinc1]

Source? Pickaxes can be found in-game, and I don't see that listed anywhere in the rules

You're right. It's not in the rules.

Ask any mod whether digging tunnels as a 'rine is allowed.

[WinterClould]

+1 For the whole "It's solid freaking rock my dude." A Crusher the xeno may be, but it aint crushing that shit.

[Dolth]

+1.

Marines can't pickaxe rocks anymore? (silent update btw thanks devs.

Well. Same for crushers. Equalize the shit and make both team unablz to mold rock/caves.

[MrJJJ]

You aren't allowed to dig as a marine, and Big Red possesses no pickaxes or jackhammers last i checked to let you dig out ALL the rock, and LV is the only map that you MIGHT find a way to dig rocks

I don't think xenos should be punished for playing smart and going AROUND your defenses instead of slamming facefirst into them.

Expect this suggestion doesn't punish xenos? they can still breach through walls on Big Red to tcomms, through barricades, etc and all that, really xenos don't need to destroy rocks to be smart, they already got ways and are developing some still.

-1. no. so marines can set up chokepoints and xenos have to run into them? nah.

Expect that will still happen on both LV and Ice maps, since there is no rocks for crushers to crush, and if you want to get to Almayer for that victory, you have to attack the FOB, Big Red is the only map so far where you can do this, no other map allows you to just SKIP through the ENTIRE marine defense this badly, and it doesn't help if the DS1 is also down at the same time and they suddenly steal it as 30 marines are left on the FOB while Aliens conquer everything up there.

how fast is their tunnelling? maybe if it were more gradual, would it be considered more fair? i agree its strange that charging digs tunnels, it should be done by clawing at the rocks

Takes about a minute or two, can take up to 3-5 minutes if they are in security, depending where they charging from to dig a tunnel into the LZ1.

[Dolth]

Still holding my point. You prevent one team from tunneling. Then for fairplay sake you do the same for the other.

[misto]

tunnelling or no theres still a perfectly good flank ppoint to melt thru at tcomms on bigred

[dylanstrategie]

If we remove digging as a Crusher, this means we'll remove digging completely for all sides AND doublecheck all our maps to make sure there aren't any extreme chokes that could be used to attrition Xenos. Like Big Red LZ1, it figures

As far as map design goes, we don't intend for people to just blast their way through rocks, especially on a massive scale. We'll see about it, but again, if we remove digging in any way, it will be for everyone AND we will ensure any campfests that were countered by digging are eliminated

[Jroinc1]

If we remove digging as a Crusher, this means we'll remove digging completely for all sides AND doublecheck all our maps to make sure there aren't any extreme chokes that could be used to attrition Xenos. Like Big Red LZ1, it figures

As far as map design goes, we don't intend for people to just blast their way through rocks, especially on a massive scale. We'll see about it, but again, if we remove digging in any way, it will be for everyone AND we will ensure any campfests that were countered by digging are eliminated

Fine by me, it's already removed for marines rules-wise.

[WinterClould]

Sounds good. No digging for anyone is just fine.

[misto]

the game is all about asymmetrical warfare though, so the fairness argument doesnt hold a lot of water. i just think rock digging should be accomplished by clawing at stone rather than ramming into it

if you want fairness you could invent a drill attachment for power loaders that will probably never get used because walking one of those things into the warzone would be near suicide

[Emeraldblood]

Crushers making tunnels to breach in a back way to flank the Marines seems fair in my eyes, but not really fair in the way we currently have it. The biggest problem we have is that a crusher can stealth-ops its way in the rear and Xeno will flood in from behind. If we had a way for the Marines to know where a crusher was breaking in from ahead of time I think it would be much more enjoyable. Something like walls being a lot more clear when they're being crushed and sound/visual feedback when a Crusher is breaking through walls when you can't see it would help out a lot.

[misto]

noise would be good. rocks clattering and scraping and such. and better sound effects for when crushers smash walls and stuff too