XO Report - Ed 'Waffles' Martin

[Severely Artistic]

Your Byond Key: SeverelyArtistic

Your Character Name: Jimmy "Jimbo" Freeman

Accused Byond Key(if known): N/A

Character Name: Ed 'Waffles' Martin

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Around 3:00 AM CST

What rule(s) were broken: Meta game

Description of the incident:


I was playing as a Medical Researcher and had obtained two eggs. I had some knowledge of the aliens at the time and knew about face hugging and such. So I brought the eggs into containment and threw a monkey at the eggs and proceeded to record the results with a camera.

Afterwards an MP and Synth came in and looked at it and walked off. I continued to record my results on paper to make a nice little lab report for RP purposes for when I give it to the CL. Then the XO, Ed Martin, walked in and took a look for himself. I yelled at him for running in without knocking, and proceeded to try and open the containment chamber while holding a flamethrower. I yelled at him and told him to get out. He initially said he had no intentions of burning it (something along that line).

Later, he comes back with an MP, Brian Scott, who he orders to tase and cuff both me and the CL (I think just the CL but I was tased, he was cuffed, also for reference the CL was Dirk Rylan). He then proceeds to pick back up the flamethrower and burn down the fucking monkeys and eggs inside of the containment cells.

Initially, I didn't know why he did it, but later he revealed it himself that he was meta gaming the entire time when he says "Did it involve me and an MP stopping them from breeding lizards in the research lab?"

I didn't even get past the face hugging stage for the monkeys, so there was literally NO WAY he would be able to make assumptions that we were breeding lizards, considering he didn't even look at the photos of the process I had taken (they were on me the entire time).

Ed stepped well over his boundaries into medical by not even choosing to consult with me or the CMO on the matter, but rather choose to skip to detaining the CL, tasing me, and burning research that he has no clue what could've been done with.


Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

How you would punish the accused: Job ban / remove his whitelist. There was no CO in place, so he essentially took the role of acting commander, and burned down research based off of OOC information he took IC. There was absolutely no reason for him to assume that lizards were being bred when all I had were hatched eggs and healthy looking monkeys inside of containment cells. He ruined perfectly good RP I would've had with the CL and anyone else who would've gotten involved later on.

[TheMusician321]

Hi there, I'm the XO in question. I actually saw someone burst, four larva (or three) came out of it, so I absolutely did know what would happen as I saw that exact same marine get hugged by a facehugger through their helmet cams. So no, I did not meta game. I literally watched someone get hugged, and then burst about 10 or 20 minutes later and out came three larva. I was talking with Alpha ASL at the time (Jackson Dee) and he can corroborate my story.

[Severely Artistic]

Hi there, I'm the XO in question. I actually saw someone burst, four larva (or three) came out of it, so I absolutely did know what would happen as I saw that exact same marine get hugged by a facehugger through their helmet cams. So no, I did not meta game. I literally watched someone get hugged, and then burst about 10 or 20 minutes later and out came three larva. I was talking with Alpha ASL at the time (Jackson Dee) and he can corroborate my story.

So you saw a few larva. We already knew about the embryos and shit though, and this was in secure containment. We still didn't know what comes after, which was what I was researching. All you did was mindlessly run in, burn the shit to the ground, and say "oh it's cuz they were breeding lizards". They were in containment. If it had posed a threat and I chose not to let you take it down, that's understandable. However, there was still 0 threat coming from what I was conducting, and I was recording the results for the CL to fax to Weyland Yutani about.

Witnessing larva burst out of someone's chest is not justification for having the CL cuffed either and bringing an MP along. You as an XO could've easily handled this through talking to me or at the least the CMO.

[TheMusician321]

Actually, My intention was not to have either of you cuffed or tazed at all, but the MP immediately tazed you two and cuffed the CL. (even though I quite clearly told him to only do so if you two would interfere) I had zero intention of having either of you cuffed or arrested at all, the MP was for assurance and in the event that you two did interfere. I don't blame the MP at all, he probably didn't see me say it as he did not nod or say anything after I had said it. ICly, I did not want to take any chances at all with having alien life forms on board, when I already knew that the aliens on the planet were wiping marines out left and right.

[Severely Artistic]

Actually, My intention was not to have either of you cuffed or tazed at all, but the MP immediately tazed you two and cuffed the CL. (even though I quite clearly told him to only do so if you two would interfere) I had zero intention of having either of you cuffed or arrested at all, the MP was for assurance and in the event that you two did interfere. I don't blame the MP at all, he probably didn't see me say it as he did not nod or say anything after I had said it. ICly, I did not want to take any chances at all with having alien life forms on board, when I already knew that the aliens on the planet were wiping marines out left and right.

"I did not want to any chances at all with having alien life forms on board"

I, a medical researcher, am supposed to do research. I have an ENTIRE AREA FOR CONTAINMENT CELLS for containing DANGEROUS THINGS. I proceed to conduct research, which is of course, a danger, BUT IS CONTAINED. Keep in mind, researching a dangerous species like the xenos, like trying to understand their tiers and what their abilities are, would be beneficial to understand a counter attack, what to look out for, and of course, Weyland Yutani knowledge, since all they probably know right now is about some big ass bugs running around and nothing specific.


But then the XO walks in and sees an alien egg and BURNS IT TO THE GROUND.

It's fucking containment. What threat would there be? Unless they're big enough to escape, which you would obviously then have a reason to terminate the test, but there wasn't even any larva to begin with.

You had no reason to interfere in a subject you have no knowledge of. We still didn't know if the chestbursters worked on monkeys, if they even evolve, how quick they do evolve if we did know, what they can evolve into, and if they could be domesticated or tamed (as shown in the past with dangerous animals, this should not be foreign knowledge considering the time we live in ICly). This would've all helped your marines that you're in charge in and should've had no fear of it breaking out since this was in containment after all, especially since you all witnessed were weak tiny larva coming out of a host.

EDIT: Keep in mind, you are not skilled in the sciences involved with this whereas a Medical Researcher and possibly a CMO would be. So for you to make assumptions they would get big and wild is well out of reach for someone not in the same department.

[Severely Artistic]

The Executive Officer while acting Captain is in charge of the ship, no questions asked. He does not require the CMOs permission to do anything, even when not acting Captain. Furthermore you aren't capable of any means to order him to leave.

Putting that aside, some people RP trust in the containment cells, some people don't. Technically speaking by marine law standards you would require the XOs permission to have the aliens on the ship else it would be deemed contraband. And highly dangerous at that. He remains within his rights to kill them. Reasonable presumptions and conclusions would permit the XO to resolve that the alien eggs on the ship, in your lab, pose a threat. He removed the threat.

It's not the matter of issuing orders. Obviously the CMO and I don't outrank you. But you don't have enough knowledge in this field ICly and not enough research was conducted to prove that the containment wasn't going to be a viable option and would pose a threat. You don't want a threat to your ship, yet you still proceeded to execute a non-existent one.

The eggs had already hatched and had proven the threat was contained. If it is contained, there is no threat. There is no argument to be made there. That's like saying we should say fuck it to any and all forms of research regarding dangerous viruses because we're worried about it being a biohazard to the other personnel in the building, say a Virology Center. It's triggerhappy logic and leaves no room for actual RP.

Re-iterating my point made about the chain of command, you should've at least spoken to the Researcher (me) and the CMO on the matter of whether or not it was a threat. You had no reason IC to believe that the containment cells couldn't contain a big fucking worm.

It belittles the entire purpose of Researcher in regards to doing dangerous research in the containment cells if all you're gonna think is that everything in there is a threat to the ship and should be terminated.

[freemysoul]

From the sounds of this you are reporting the XO for killing a xeno in containment, I don't understad how you see this as "metagaming" as I presume until I can get logs that the XO knows from groundside that A. The Xenomorphs are dangerous to the crew and marines, and B. It's a fucking huge giant monster with claws.

Either way I'll be investigating this soon.

[freemysoul]

Amendment: What day did this happen?

[freemysoul]

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[02:59:26]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : We're getting rid of the research subjects.
[02:59:31]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : That's an order.
[02:59:56]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : If they interfere.
[02:59:59]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Taze and cuff them.
[03:00:19]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Are they locked down?
[03:00:28]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : GET THE FUCK OUT!
[03:00:33]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : MP. Taze him.
[03:01:17]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (375) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=173;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:20]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (375) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=173;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:20]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (375) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=173;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:23]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (375) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=173;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:24]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (375) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=172;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:29]EMOTE: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : <B>Dr. Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman</B> screams!
[03:01:32]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (291) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=175;Y=148;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:35]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (291) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=177;Y=147;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:37]ATTACK: Ed 'Waffles' Martin (Reported) shot the monkey (291) () with an armor-piercing pistol bullet in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=177;Y=147;Z=3'>JMP</a>)
[03:01:37]EMOTE: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : <B>Dr. Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman</B> cries out in pain!
[03:01:48]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : There we go.
[03:02:03]ATTACK: Player C/(Brian Scott) stunned Reporter/(Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman) with the the stunbaton.
[03:02:09]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Open the door.
[03:02:13]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Right, pass me cuffs.
[03:02:16]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : The CL can go free.
[03:02:26]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Let the CL go.
[03:02:44]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Right.
[03:02:52]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : No more of this infection research.
[03:02:56]EMOTE: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : <B>Dr. Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman</B> screams!
[03:03:00]ATTACK: Brian Scott (Player C) shot Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman (Reporter) with a taser bolt in the Medical Research laboratories (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=173;Y=150;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x5000016]'>PM</a>)
[03:03:00]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : YOU F-FUCKER
[03:03:05]ATTACK: Player C/(Brian Scott) grabbed Reporter/(Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman)
[03:03:06]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : Y-Y-YOU B-BURNED I-I-IT
[03:03:08]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Let him go MP.
[03:03:16]EMOTE: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : <B>Dr. Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman</B> screams!
[03:03:20]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Let him go.
[03:03:21]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : THIS IS NOT YOUR AREA EO
[03:03:22]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Job's done.
[03:03:25]SAY: Ed 'Waffles' Martin/Reported : Back to work MP.
[03:03:34]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : I'm killing him
[03:03:36]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : HE RUINE DIT!
[03:03:39]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : HE CAME IN HERE
[03:03:42]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : STUNNED ME
[03:03:45]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : AND DESTROYED ALL OF IT!
[03:03:46]SAY: Evgeny 'Aist' Storkin/RuAlastor : What happened?
[03:03:53]SAY: Jimmy 'Jimbo' Freeman/Reporter : SEE FOR YOURSELF!

Ok.

1. This was at least an hour into the round when Musician took out the research experiments, Which you didn't get permission for by the Commanding Officer.
2. The XO doesn't require the CMO's permission to terminate a threat to the ship, Even if they were "contained" they are known to be able to melt through walls, so I believe Musician had reason to believe they couldn't be contained.
3. You didn't even attempt to resolve this via an ahelp in-game when there was staff online (The only ahelp I see is you wanting to mutiny against the XO)

[x31stOverlord]

I would like to add that the Researcher in question then killed the XO and almost killed an MP later on when the MP came into Research to arrest the Researcher for attempting to incite a mutiny.

[Sir Lordington]

For the record, there isn't an exact Research SOP (yet), so the closest thing is medical, which does allow for the XO to override the CMO's decisions.

The main issue here is whether or not it was metagaming. Given that the experiment was conducted without his knowledge or approval and that the XO was fully aware of not only the threat that the Xenos posed but of their reproduction cycle itself, it's not far-fetched at all for him to consider the contained xeno a threat and want to terminate him. ICly questioning the security of the containment cells is perfectly valid especially if you know how xenos can open doors or spit acid, and indeed quite the opposite of metagaming, as you OOCly know they cannot be breached by the xenos and (reasonable) conflict derived from the security of breeding xenos in captivity is IC. What isn't IC is you going ballistic, killing the XO and almost the MP over it. You only got noted but mutinying without permission is a serious offence and you are lucky you didn't receive a ban over it.

TheMusician didn't break any rules and all his actions were justifiable from an IC standpoint. Therefore I'm resolving this without action.