the line between field execution and griefing.

[Blade2000Br]

Ok so, I will be direct to the point here:

I am not accusing any Commander of griefing. even though because I forgot who was the CO who did that anyway

If I am not mistaken, two days ago or so, probably 3 days, I had rolled for RO and was having some fun in the round. And one of the higher up of the round was @Recounted with his snowflake marine asking for brown webbings. It was a funny shit since Me and the CTs didn't want to waste points for his brown webbing, but he kept yelling at Comms for the funsies.

It was all well and good, till the CO came from gods know why and asked him to stop. Literally, the CO came from the CIC to ask a marine to stop yelling. I just *shrug and let them have their conversation. a few seconds later, the moment I open the Line, the CO literally planted a bullet in Ray Dubi's head like it was nothing. Not sure if it was 1 or 2 shots, but he killed him right there and then. He muttered something and left? can't remember. The next thing was that we told the MPs the CO *might* have gone rogue.

The MPs arrested him and took him to the brig. he stood there for several minutes till the XO that was Reno gave direct orders to leave him alone. And only then he announced over the Comms, Not the Console mind I tell you, He field executed Ray because he was "annoying". After other minutes he left the brig and the round proceeded as per usual.

Now, I don't get it, but can you field execute someone because he's being annoying? Dunno. Is this griefing? Just an IC thing? Is this just the CO being a dick?

I would like a clarification from anyone that could give me one.

[Roland410]

Battlefield Execution

The Commander & Admiral of the Almayer holds the authority to perform a Battlefield Execution. They may kill anyone under their command or on their ship without any warning or procedure if they feel they are a threat to the mission. The CO/Admiral must state why the individual was executed and should the MPs have concerns, they may contact USCM High Command VIA FAX to inquire if the execution was reasonable afterwards. (This is similar to the "Rule 0" rule which applies to admins - you're able to do this, but it's much better not to, since you are subject to the consequences of your actions and may be removed from the whitelist if your reasons aren't acceptable.).
This power can only be used on captured prisoners when it is not possible to perform standard execution procedures.
(This is similar to the "Rule 0" rule which applies to admins - you're able to do this, but it's much better not to, since you are subject to the consequences of your actions and may be removed from the whitelist if your reasons aren't acceptable.)

[Steelpoint]

Battlefield Executions are Commanders exercising their privilege, as given by them being a whitelisted role of extreme important and rank, to remove a player from a round. However, in bypassing all procedure and legal standing the actual player takes full OOC responsibility for the execution, and if the Commander executed someone in poor form they risk losing their whitelist status.

I would imagine it is up to the admins at the time to determine if the Commander had any justification for carrying out an execution.

[Swagile]

If your talking about CO that round, I was never brigged, and the field execution had more depth to it than that. Also, CO's are dealt with by player reports, but ill post my justification anyway since you seem to be wrong on many accounts.

That round, we had almost NO competent MP's. Literally, the WO was breaking Marine Law and was later arrested by a WO adminbussed in by Feweh, so there was 1 competent WO at the time. The reason, however, that I removed Ray Dubi from the round was because he was screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE constantly on general comms, and when asked how to deal with him in a ahelp (IC or OOC), feweh told me to handle it IC.

So I decided to go to brig and intiate some roleplay with Ray. I told him, due to his possible mental illness, he was to get a psych eval. He completely ignored me until a MP opened the doors for him to be lead out (said MP did not talk to me and just let him out despite me attempting to strike up some RP with Ray).

Then later on he was shitting on General comms once more with his REEEEEE spam, so I tell him on radio to directly shut up. He ignored me, so I went /myself/ to the RO, and gave him one last chance by telling him IN HIS FACE, "shut up, Ray".

He decided to roleplay "squating down", "taking a deep breath", then spammed "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" on general comms.

So I field executed him for severe insubordination, disturbing the mission, and mental illness. He did not attempt to roleplay at all throughout the time I tried to initiate roleplay with him, and was roleplay what was essentially a mental case within the USCM.

The USCM does not hire people with mental illnesses from my understanding, nor does it hire people who continually ignore their Commander's direct orders, hence my character felt they were a marine that slipped through the cracks.

[Blade2000Br]

If your talking about CO that round, I was never brigged, and the field execution had more depth to it than that. Also, CO's are dealt with by player reports, but ill post my justification anyway since you seem to be wrong on many accounts.

That round, we had almost NO competent MP's. Literally, the WO was breaking Marine Law and was later arrested by a WO adminbussed in by Feweh, so there was 1 competent WO at the time. The reason, however, that I removed Ray Dubi from the round was because he was screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE constantly on general comms, and when asked how to deal with him in a ahelp (IC or OOC), feweh told me to handle it IC.

So I decided to go to brig and intiate some roleplay with Ray. I told him, due to his possible mental illness, he was to get a psych eval. He completely ignored me until a MP opened the doors for him to be lead out (said MP did not talk to me and just let him out despite me attempting to strike up some RP with Ray).

Then later on he was shitting on General comms once more with his REEEEEE spam, so I tell him on radio to directly shut up. He ignored me, so I went /myself/ to the RO, and gave him one last chance by telling him IN HIS FACE, "shut up, Ray".

He decided to roleplay "squating down", "taking a deep breath", then spammed "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" on general comms.

So I field executed him for severe insubordination, disturbing the mission, and mental illness. He did not attempt to roleplay at all throughout the time I tried to initiate roleplay with him, and was roleplay what was essentially a mental case within the USCM.

The USCM does not hire people with mental illnesses from my understanding, nor does it hire people who continually ignore their Commander's direct orders, hence my character felt they were a marine that slipped through the cracks.

Oh Ok, this makes thing much better. Since I only saw you shooting him in my line with the great Mateba. I mgiht have not seen the "Re's" Spam because I normally don't pay attention for general comms.

Sorry for saying it was griefing, even if it was unintentially. Didn't knew what was going on till that very moment.
Still, you didn't got brigged? Because in the chat the CMP said you were being "detained" or something.

[Roland410]

If what Swagile said is true, it's 100% justified then, I'm surprised it wasn't handled by admins but ICly.
Edit: Being detained is not the same as being brigged usually.

[Swagile]

Negative, I dropped with my troops (it was Ice Colony at the time) in order to bolster their morale since "the great Commander himself is dropping with us!", which worked because marines who were too scared to go down went down when they were told the Commander themselves was also down there with them.

Considering I had a head splint at the time, I believe it also influenced a lot more people to follow my orders and to go down and help secure the LZ-1 we lost when retreating early in the round. After securing LZ-1 and sending down reinforcements, we won the round so I was never brigged. Its assumed a court martial was done later when the ship went back for my actions, but I was never brigged.

[Blade2000Br]

I see, then it's all clarified to me.

Thanks, SWagile.

[Swagile]

Next time I suggest you write a player report to get things cleared up. This is a good thread topic in of itself, but could have easily been handled in a player report instead.

Cheers.

[Renomaki]

Honestly, I myself tend to view field executions in an iffy light.

On the one hand, hearing about a commander blowing out some random marine's brains because he was displeased with him tends to put a dent in marine morale, causing a lot of players to view you as a dick and treat you with disrespect, and in one case it resulted in a round being UTTERLY RUINED because a very public field execution resulted in a full-blown riot that had blood running all throughout the ship.

On the other hand, though, sometimes you have not much choice in the matter. Sometimes you have to make an example of someone for doing something horribly wrong (such as an SL deserting his men or an RO that wastes all of cargo's money on garbage). When you walk up to a player, force him to his knees and plant a bullet right between his horrified eyes, it sends a message to that person in particular, the kind that quite clearly says "You fucked up".

Field executions are the same as predator gameplay in a nutshell: You have the freedom to put anyone to death for almost any reason, but you really have to think your actions through very carefully. Get too eager to punish players, and people will be quick to turn on you. It should be saved for the ULTIMATE FUCK-UPS, such as the example with Ray acting horribly immature and disrespecting his CO simply because he believed he could get away with it.

[Telegnats]

I hesitate to say that giving the CO smug insults is grounds for a battlefield execution. But if you're going to consider insults/being a retard an ultimate fuckup then you're effectively saying that deserting your station in times of dire need is basically the same as telling someone they're an asshole or shouting stupid bullshit over the radio.

[Pat Sajak]

In my opinion, field execution should be saved for only the most serious of crimes like murder, attempted murder, mutiny and sabotage of a mission to the point where several marines die.

[Symbiosis]

My take on field executions: I've probably been Commander for 15+ rounds and I've had one singular execution I've had conducted. It wasn't a field execution, but rather a culmination of brig time for someone that I truly thought was avoiding deployment/guilty of desertion. I later found out the player was tied up with some real life things and had been AFK. Granted, he resisted arrest and was non-compliant, but I regret pushing for the execution.

Times when I've been involved personally with mutinies are when Command has executed Marines for reasons that, from a RP perspective, are unreasonable. The "insulting the CO" meme leading to execution I find a bit... lacking. You're a Commander. Of a Naval Vessel.

You're going to get insulted. Marines and other Officers will question your Command and disagree with you. It's a fact of military life. Now, from a RP perspective, most "characters" won't murder a Marine for insults or poorly made jokes. The only player that can is the CO, and it's unfortunate it's been used so much. I'd personally like to see executions limited to crimes of desertion/mutiny/murder.

From a mutiny standpoint: it's completely valid to mutiny if your Commander blows a fellow Marines brains out for being a douche. We RP as the USCM, not the UPP. We are not Imperial Guardsmen following Commisars. I'd discourage any Marines mutinying over Marines executed for high crimes or Command being incompetent.

[kooarbiter]

My take on field executions: I've probably been Commander for 15+ rounds and I've had one singular execution I've had conducted. It wasn't a field execution, but rather a culmination of brig time for someone that I truly thought was avoiding deployment/guilty of desertion. I later found out the player was tied up with some real life things and had been AFK. Granted, he resisted arrest and was non-compliant, but I regret pushing for the execution.

Times when I've been involved personally with mutinies are when Command has executed Marines for reasons that, from a RP perspective, are unreasonable. The "insulting the CO" meme leading to execution I find a bit... lacking. You're a Commander. Of a Naval Vessel.

You're going to get insulted. Marines and other Officers will question your Command and disagree with you. It's a fact of military life. Now, from a RP perspective, most "characters" won't murder a Marine for insults or poorly made jokes. The only player that can is the CO, and it's unfortunate it's been used so much. I'd personally like to see executions limited to crimes of desertion/mutiny/murder.

From a mutiny standpoint: it's completely valid to mutiny if your Commander blows a fellow Marines brains out for being a douche. We RP as the USCM, not the UPP. We are not Imperial Guardsmen following Commisars. I'd discourage any Marines mutinying over Marines executed for high crimes or Command being incompetent.

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