Opinion about Chaz (Dicussion)

[MrJJJ]

Unless Apop or Unknown wants me to delete this…i shall post this



As much of you know, Chaz has been demoted for Admin Abuse, However, that does not stop us from discussing him expect Apop or Unknown

What do you think about him when he was still a mod?

What do you think about his actions?

What do you think about him now?

Do you think it was ok for him to do like that? (clearly no)

And Any other things you want to say, this is a discussion about him, it will last until Apop Or Unknown feel like deleting this or etc


I personally did not like Chaz much, so i can't say much about when he was still a mod

I think he took it too far pretty much

I think he will try to secretly try to get people against Apop

Nope

I want to say that, Don't do something Chaz did.

[InvasivePlant]

I personally did not Chaz much, so i can't say much about when he was still a mod

I myself chaz frequently, often with friends and family. Can't stand people that chaz in public though, I mean come on guys.
Not chazzing is so last round.

[MrJJJ]

DARN IT I MISSPELLED

[Felkvir]

He made the same mistake as me basically, turned to the dark side of the force adminship.

[AncientV25]

I think he will try to secretly try to get people against Apop

wat

[TopHatPenguin]

Seemed nice from when i did speak to him but you don't really know what goes on behind the scenes sadly.

[UnknownMurder]

He has what you would call silver tongue.

I'm not deleting the thread or throwing it away.

[Chaznoodles]

I've stated the things which I apparently did in the Removal thread, as well as explaining them in detail.

He has what you would call silver tongue.

No, it's just what you might call being nice to the players. Anyways, I'm a nice guy, kept players having fun instead of limiting them, helped with suggestions which might make the server a more fun place.

[Infernus]

I'll have to agree with Chaz on this one. You did break the no event thing with that monkey, but I honestly don't think that that first offense should result in deadmining. (It was your first, rite?)

[UnknownMurder]

Well, It was more than just unknown that had come to me about this.

And also, you weren't just talking about it in deadchat, you were also posting about it in OOC, and you were going about it wrong. If you had an issue, there were SEVERAL other avenues to bring it up, besides calling us out in OOC.

That alone, had been enough, that you were not going to be pushed from trialmin to gameadmin, but your abuse actions, are what resulted in your removal.

As I have said, I do NOT tolerate abuse. I only even found out about the monkey, because i got a TON of messages about it, while several staff were pushing towards your removal (which, I was going to let them say their stuff, and leave you at moderator, until the monkey incident).

But not only did you turn someone into a monkey, you did it, and left not long ago. That is UNACCEPTABLE. You don't just make changes to the game like that. It's abuse, and frankly, I take that MUCH more seriously that the supposed rebellion, and your complaints and "standing up" against other staff.

Bottom line from this:

You went about calling out staff the wrong way, then abused your powers as a trialmin. I would have removed anyone else who did the same thing, the same way, and I have in the past.

I will re-iterate this:

I DO NOT TOLERATE ADMIN ABUSE.

[Chaznoodles]

I'll have to agree with Chaz on this one. You did break the no event thing with that monkey, but I honestly don't think that that first offense should result in deadmining. (It was your first, rite?)

It was indeed the first. However, at no point was I warned about this, instead receiving a Skype message from Apophis saying;

"Your being removed for admin abuse, turning players into monkeys. THis is BLATANT abuse."

At no pioint did I or the player involved regard this as an event. It was just something fun for the player to do, that he had asked for.

That's great, because what happened, wasn't admin abuse.

[Aliton]

I fail to see how turning someone who asked to be turned into a monkey, who can't wear protective armor/helmet, or adequately protect themselves, is admin abuse. Sure, it could be considered bad form to some, but it didn't negatively impact anyone in the game. Sue, I was handicapped due to it, but I asked for it. It was just a bit of fun. A monkey that was hunting Aliens for the sake of monkey rights, that (in the end) was shot at by the Marines anyways.

I've seen sillier roleplay on the server than that. And not to mention, I was severely handicapped due to it, which I did not mind at all.

[apophis775]

I'd like to point out, that when he did it, there was a BIG FACT GIANT MEMO for the staff that said no only were Events off limits, but that doing one, would result in immediate removal, with no warning.

Also, as I said, there were other reasons, and an entire topic, explaining those reasons. SEVERAL staff came to me at once, with issues about Chaz.

Some of them, stemming from his recent attitude change and his blatant disrespecting and talking shit about admins when they were offline (which, I only cared about because it was in OOC and Dsay, which is unprofessional). Originally, all that meant, was he wasn't going to get promoted to full admin, and when promotions came around, he was going to get dropped back to moderator.

But, he was BLATANTLY abusive, by turning a player into a monkey, shattering the RP (I know we aren't heavy, but fucking seriously?). The circumstances, do NOT matter. Like I said, I received several messages about it, all at once (which is how I knew, cause I wasn't even on the server at the time). I do NOT tolerate stuff like that, especially from trialmins, and especially from people who had been recently publicly undermining me, even when I was online (such as, right after the FOB rule was added, creating an OOC shitstorm and several votes in the same round). That is No Bueno, and by itself, it would have been fine, but with the other things all combined together, over a period of a few days, it culminated in his dismissal.

It's bad timing, that he decided to start acting the fool all around the same time, because if these situations happened individually, he wouldn't have been removed.

If people came to me with complaints about him, I would have gone to him to discuss them and tried to figure out a solution.

If he was being disrespectful in OOC/Dsay about admins, I would have gone to him, explained why this was not the thing to do, and he might have been demoted him.

If he turned a player into a monkey, I probably would have warned him, and he would have been demoted.

But all of those together, in the span of a few days, shows me, he can no longer be trusted, and no longer cares, combined with the fact, that he's active server staff on other servers, (A recurring complaint I received, but typically ignored) made it not worth the time, or the headache he was causing.

I try to spend my time developing the server, and making changes for the better, but that's difficult to do when:
1. My own staff is publically undermining me
2. I am getting complaints from other staff, about said staff.
3. I have to deal with drama bullshit.

So perhaps this will be a lesson to other staff. I have NO PROBLEM if you object to decisions or rules that are made, but do it on the Skype chat, or in Msay/Asay, or in a suggestion on the forum. don't go around publically dissing those of us who spend TREMENDOUS amounts of time working on the server.

[Chaznoodles]

I'd like to point out, that when he did it, there was a BIG FACT GIANT MEMO for the staff that said no only were Events off limits, but that doing one, would result in immediate removal, with no warning.

As I stated, this was not an event, in the slightest.

Also, as I said, there were other reasons, and an entire topic, explaining those reasons. SEVERAL staff came to me at once, with issues about Chaz.

Instead of keeping these issues to yourself and doing this, why did you not bring the issues to me, so we could work them out and resolve them?

But, he was BLATANTLY abusive, by turning a player into a monkey, shattering the RP (I know we aren't heavy, but fucking seriously?). The circumstances, do NOT matter.

Again, there was no abuse involved. The player asked, and there was no reaosn not to. It would be fun for the player, and for the marines. Blatant admin abuse would be spawning myself in an invincible mech and gibbing all the players.

If people came to me with complaints about him, I would have gone to him to discuss them and tried to figure out a solution.

Refer to "SEVERAL staff came to me at once, with issues about Chaz".

But all of those together, in the span of a few days, shows me, he can no longer be trusted, and no longer cares, combined with the fact, that he's active server staff on other servers, (A recurring complaint I received, but typically ignored) made it not worth the time, or the headache he was causing.

Here's the thing. I do care. I care about the playerbase, which is why I supported them when they wanted to make suggestions that would create a more positive atmosphere, faced down other staff members who wanted to enforce invisible rules on the players, and more besides. Being a staff member isn't about making fun for yourself, it's about helping the players to enjoy themselves, which I hope I did rather well.

1. My own staff is publically undermining me

I expressed my feelings about how you were treating me, about you backing me into a corner over Skype chat about the FOB ruling, which made me feel extremely uncomfortable. AT no time did I undermine you, I only supported the players when they voiced their suggestions.

2. I am getting complaints from other staff, about said staff.

Refer to previous points.

3. I have to deal with drama bullshit.

Don't cause drama then.

So perhaps this will be a lesson to other staff. I have NO PROBLEM if you object to decisions or rules that are made, but do it on the Skype chat, or in Msay/Asay, or in a suggestion on the forum. don't go around publically dissing those of us who spend TREMENDOUS amounts of time working on the server.

I did, repeatedly. As said, I was backed into a corner and made to feel uncomfortable by you, ordered to drop it in Msay by UM, and suggestions I took part in were bluntly shut down. I discussed it with the players, who spend TREMENDOUS amounts of time playing on the server, as a staff member who put TREMENDOUS amounts of time into taking care of those players.

Don't try and turn me into the bad guy here. I tried to help the players, every way I could, to make them have fun.

[apophis775]

As I stated, this was not an event, in the slightest.

Then why the fuck, did you do it? Tell me, what would happen, if you turned someone into a monkey randomly on Aurora station? You think they'd keep you?

Instead of keeping these issues to yourself and doing this, why did you not bring the issues to me, so we could work them out and resolve them?

I had planned to, and was in the process of getting ready to message you over skype, when I opened by Byond and saw several messages about you turning a player into monkeys.

Again, there was no abuse involved. The player asked, and there was no reaosn not to. It would be fun for the player, and for the marines. Blatant admin abuse would be spawning myself in an invincible mech and gibbing all the players.

It was not fun for the marines, or I wouldn't have received so many complaints.

Here's the thing. I do care. I care about the playerbase, which is why I supported them when they wanted to make suggestions that would create a more positive atmosphere, faced down other staff members who wanted to enforce invisible rules on the players, and more besides. Being a staff member isn't about making fun for yourself, it's about helping the players to enjoy themselves, which I hope I did rather well.

Honestly, based on what I've see, I don't think you do care about the player-base. You have not faced down anyone on staff about "invisible rules", and in fact, until you got removed, I haven't heard a simple complaint or issue from you about "invisible rules".

I expressed my feelings about how you were treating me, about you backing me into a corner over Skype chat about the FOB ruling, which made me feel extremely uncomfortable. AT no time did I undermine you, I only supported the players when they voiced their suggestions.

You undermined me SEVERAL TIMES in OOC, don't even pretend you didn't. I dismissed it, because it was going to be the reason you didn't get promoted to Game Admin. I planned to discuss that with you, so that you understood that if you objected like that to something it should have been done in skype, not over OOC. Also, I don't care if staff challenges me on new rules or changes, because sometimes the staff is right and it needs to be changed. I care, because you wouldn't LET IT GO, despite, me telling you SEVERAL TIMES, it was a temp rule first, to see how it changed things.

And, a semi-related tip: I know you want to be an actor, but let me tell you this, if your on a set, and the Producer says "let it go", unless your a big name actor, getting paid a lot, or irreplacible, you should probably let it go. One of the things that bothers me the most when I'm working on a film or commercial or TV show, is when Actors get the same type of attitude you have right now, that your opinion or what you want, is better than anyone else, and the refusal to back down, at least temporarily. If you want to be successful as an actor, your going to need to learn TACT, cause if there is anything my interactions with you over the last few days have taught me, it's that you have absolutely none.

Don't cause drama then.

It would be you, causing the drama, and being the source. If I had it my way, I'd spend my time developing to expand the server, not babysitting and dealing with bullshit like this. But alas, it's my job to deal with drama like this now.

I did, repeatedly. As said, I was backed into a corner and made to feel uncomfortable by you, ordered to drop it in Msay by UM, and suggestions I took part in were bluntly shut down. I discussed it with the players, who spend TREMENDOUS amounts of time playing on the server, as a staff member who put TREMENDOUS amounts of time into taking care of those players.

Don't try and turn me into the bad guy here. I tried to help the players, every way I could, to make them have fun.

If you felt uncomfortable and backed into a corner, then you should have BACKED OFF for 10 minutes or so, and come back later. Not kept trying to press the issue. In honestly, I felt like you were trying to not only undermine me, but back me into a corner as well with your constant messaging and attempts to turn the player-base against me. That, personally, bothered me, as you were on the short list, of staff that I would have eventually pushed to a head position.

So, don't try to turn me into the bad guy here. You are the ENTIRE SOURCE of these issues against you:

1. You turned a player into a monkey, which should be OBVIOUS is a no-no (like I said, you think Aurora would keep you if you did that?)

2. You are the one, who was trying to turn the player-base against me because you disagreed with a temporary rule change, that I originally wanted to see how it would affect marine play-styles. To the point that, we created new weapons, to help fit the changes.

3. At any time, you could have stopped your public crusade, waited a day, and come back to me about the FOB rule over skype, and would have probably gotten a different and more open conversation, than the one IMMEDIATLY after you tried to turn the server pop against me and push me into a corner.



Bottom line: Nothing you can say or do, will ever you get back onto staff. The entire population could be trying to burn down my house and demanding it, but you've effectively burned that bridge fully. If I had to suggest something to you, I'd say you need to "Learn to let things go" and "Learn some tact". Because your not going to make it as an actor, if you can't do both of those things, and you definitely won't be able to get anywhere in staff on any server either.

[Ghostdex]

Wasnt this meant to be a discussion about Chaz? Instead it looks like an argument between Chaz and Apop, and wasnt this whole removal and reasons thing said?

[Caryl]

Apop, regarding the ruling about F.O.B. ... I think we should just allow marines to set-up a Forward Operating Base. I mean, marines usually just make a base anywhere when they're being inserted or sent to a high-threat area. More so if the mission consists of unknown hostiles that they have no information of.