Great space capitalism!

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Great space capitalism!

Post by lcass123 » 09 Sep 2017, 13:48

This really is more of a discussion about putting more emphasis on the internal economy on the almayer, it seems reasonable that certain machines should require money for things to be vended, heck even bribery of the RO and use of credits to buy things like medical equipment as a non medic might add an intersting dynamic to gameplay.

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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 11 Sep 2017, 09:55

Which machines are we talking about?

I really don't think the USCM would do something like this. Militaries don't try and paywall their own soldiers for essential supplies.

The USCM has more pride than that.

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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Trench007 » 11 Sep 2017, 10:08

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 09:55
Which machines are we talking about?

I really don't think the USCM would do something like this. Militaries don't try and paywall their own soldiers for essential supplies.

The USCM has more pride than that.
We could pretend the future reverted back to ancient military ways, where each soldier was required to purchase their own gear. I don't think that would be such a good idea though.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Crab_Spider » 11 Sep 2017, 10:21

Trench007 wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 10:08
We could pretend the future reverted back to ancient military ways, where each soldier was required to purchase their own gear. I don't think that would be such a good idea though.
It'd be simpler to say that the USCM issues Marines a corporation exclusive currency known as "credits", which can be spent on provisions and exchanged for miscellaneous supplies from Requisitions.

No military would ever force its soldiers to pay for their own gear. Especially when those soldiers joined for financial reasons.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Trench007 » 11 Sep 2017, 12:32

Crab_Spider wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 10:21
It'd be simpler to say that the USCM issues Marines a corporation exclusive currency known as "credits", which can be spent on provisions and exchanged for miscellaneous supplies from Requisitions.

No military would ever force its soldiers to pay for their own gear. Especially when those soldiers joined for financial reasons.
I was referring to early Republican Rome, which had its citizens pay for their gear in the army.

Here's a quote from the possibly reliable Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_legion), "The Republican Legions were composed of levied men that paid for their own equipment and thus the structure of the Roman army at this time reflected the society..."

To revise what you said, "No [modern] military...", which is why I said lets pretend the USCM reverted back to ancient ways.
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Post by Crab_Spider » 11 Sep 2017, 12:41

Trench007 wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 12:32
I was referring to early Republican Rome, which had its citizens pay for their gear in the army.

Here's a quote from the possibly reliable Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_legion), "The Republican Legions were composed of levied men that paid for their own equipment and thus the structure of the Roman army at this time reflected the society..."

To revise what you said, "No [modern] military...", which is why I said lets pretend the USCM reverted back to ancient ways.
Hm...
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Post by Tidomann » 11 Sep 2017, 15:16

It's been a bit since I played RO. However this already exists in a small form.

The often overlooked EFTPOS scanner.

You could charge marines money. If you didn't load a receiving account the credits would remain in the scanner. You could then ship it back to centcom W-Y special supply to get a credit boost. There would be ways to support this, such as being able to re-order a scanner, or having it drain the money without consuming the scanner.

I know some rounds I charged marines "dispensing fees" for asking for more than one attachment, and specialists and leaders for more then 2. It was like a $25 dollar charge. I got arrested pretty fast that round for neglect of duty.

The system would be very abusable, ie. charge marines $1000 to get more points. The mechanic being enforced wouldn't really add to the overall roleplay

Money exists now as a roleplay tool, so what's stopping you from bribing the RO for medical supplies as a non-medic now?

Having all gear have to be purchasable could be used as a balancing tool, but would also be a nightmare for new players to learn.

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Post by Stripetail » 11 Sep 2017, 16:34

Tidomann wrote:
11 Sep 2017, 15:16
It's been a bit since I played RO. However this already exists in a small form.

The often overlooked EFTPOS scanner.

You could charge marines money. If you didn't load a receiving account the credits would remain in the scanner. You could then ship it back to centcom W-Y special supply to get a credit boost. There would be ways to support this, such as being able to re-order a scanner, or having it drain the money without consuming the scanner.

I know some rounds I charged marines "dispensing fees" for asking for more than one attachment, and specialists and leaders for more then 2. It was like a $25 dollar charge. I got arrested pretty fast that round for neglect of duty.

The system would be very abusable, ie. charge marines $1000 to get more points. The mechanic being enforced wouldn't really add to the overall roleplay

Money exists now as a roleplay tool, so what's stopping you from bribing the RO for medical supplies as a non-medic now?

Having all gear have to be purchasable could be used as a balancing tool, but would also be a nightmare for new players to learn.
The EFTPOS is full of potential, and I have used it to gather thousands of dollars for Req purposes.

If there was an implimentation where sending that scanner to Cetral/weyland for extra points I'd sell the power loader to do it.

I would absolutely love to see a stock trades console in Req, maybe something installed via request from the CL where you could invest in stocks to see point returns, or maybe see nearby vessles needs for certain items to send to them in exchange for rewards, etc.

Afterall, not every merc group or rogue UPP ship has access to the supplies of Weyland or Centcomm.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by SecretStamos (Joshuu) » 11 Sep 2017, 20:06

do the tenants of national socialism that CM is founded upon mean nothing to you?

go away with this trading stuff, it confuses me

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Post by TehSpoderman » 11 Sep 2017, 20:27

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote:
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do the tenants of national socialism that CM is founded upon mean nothing to you?

go away with this trading stuff, it confuses me
can we atleast get trading cards
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Post by Crab_Spider » 11 Sep 2017, 20:38

TehSpoderman wrote:
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can we atleast get trading cards
No. You uncultured swines will just exchange them for pointless shit.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Desolane900 » 12 Sep 2017, 08:21

SecretStamos (Joshuu) wrote:
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Militaries don't try and paywall their own soldiers for essential supplies.
Oh how I wish that were true
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Post by Wubs4Scrubs » 12 Sep 2017, 08:47

Privatization is a cruel mistress.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Natorix » 12 Sep 2017, 11:56

Great nation of CM does not need your opressive system,capitalist swine

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Post by Hulkamania » 12 Sep 2017, 12:12

Do starting amounts of money vary between roles or do you always have about the same amount? I recall the few times I've checked it was always somewhere in the 3000 dollar range, and I've only ever used it as CL for bribery purposes.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Crab_Spider » 12 Sep 2017, 12:30

Hulkamania wrote:
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Do starting amounts of money vary between roles or do you always have about the same amount? I recall the few times I've checked it was always somewhere in the 3000 dollar range, and I've only ever used it as CL for bribery purposes.
Stacks with roles.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by lcass123 » 12 Sep 2017, 14:09

I mean the main reason I say this is because it adds interesting gameplay for the RO and medical department but more importantly makes the CL's bribe actually tangible and useful ingame. So standard proceedure could be to charge marines if they want more than two attachments and it must be done after everyone has gotten what they want, if marines want extra equipment like heavy rifles they can buy them from req. Req can then use this extra revenue to boost their cargo points.

The CL could be rewarded with money for completing objectives given by weyland, would be very very interesting for research to implement this as a core system aswell getting monetary rewards for doing xeno research in return allowing them to put in special requests with their new funds at cargo.

The hot foods vending machines? Why would they be free it's a weyland vendor, extrapolating the average interest rate puts a single burger at $700 which is probably about 70 or so thalars. Would remove the silly way PO equipment is handled now aswell.

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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Steven Sneider » 12 Sep 2017, 14:21

best I can do is 2$ and I'm taking a risk here.
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by Heckenshutze » 12 Sep 2017, 16:19

Cash for extra attachments, different versions of the rifle, webbings and such? I'd use that
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by lcass123 » 12 Sep 2017, 18:19

would be a reasonable way to do it instead of the argueing with the RO

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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by carlarc » 13 Sep 2017, 00:26

you just KNOW all the lrp bald powergamers are going to blow their entire bank account for those 2 AP mags and a quickfire/extended barrel rifle
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Re: Great space capitalism!

Post by lcass123 » 13 Sep 2017, 06:47

carlarc wrote:
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you just KNOW all the lrp bald powergamers are going to blow their entire bank account for those 2 AP mags and a quickfire/extended barrel rifle
Yup, free toys for the RO.

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