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Skimmy2
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by Skimmy2 » 22 Oct 2017, 17:03
Jagdges wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 16:13
That's not really true at all. In fact it's like completely wrong. Dogs get killed in Iraq and Afghan all the time. Most people let them be but there's always that one guy who really gives zero shits about animals and kills them. Mostly just for fun. You're thinking of the puppy that got thrown off the cliff.
You don't read about it because that's how common it is. It's just normal. Someone always shoots the FOB dog at one point or another.
Culling a stray animal populace for health concerns is not the same as just killing animal in yo FOB.
Pretty sure we dont have to worry about rabies in space.
I guarantee you that any marine killing an animal for fun is getting disciplined, all the more so with how publicly known it is.
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by HR171 » 22 Oct 2017, 18:30
Skimmy2 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 14:02
The last time a US Soldier killed a dog, he was arrested and discharged from service.
Killing of any animal would be considered destruction of property which is a pretty big no if you ever read the Geneva Convention.
The only time that iv ever read of a Military getting away with slaughtering an animal was during ww2, when a US Officer shot a farmer's animal to get it off of the road so the military convoy could keep moving.
I'm not necessarily talking about american military(although it is standard for police/SWAT teams to kill dogs on when raiding a property) i'm talking from a British point of view, it is standard procedure to shoot any animals that may interfere with an operation.
In fact the Americans in Vietnam invented this "Mk 22 Mod 0 Hush puppy" a modified Smith and Wesson model 39 with a silencer this was specifically designed to shoot dogs
sooo, it is a done thing and destruction of prperty is allowed otherwise blowing up a missile factory would be a war crime...which it isn't
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by Jagdges » 22 Oct 2017, 18:34
Skimmy2 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 17:03
Culling a stray animal populace for health concerns is not the same as just killing animal in yo FOB.
Pretty sure we dont have to worry about rabies in space.
I guarantee you that any marine killing an animal for fun is getting disciplined, all the more so with how publicly known it is.
I'm not convinced, rarely if ever have I heard of or seen
that guy actually getting disciplined for killing the dogs that wander around. Some people see strays as not even living beings it seems.
Winter wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 16:24
It's basically the guy who ruins it for everyone else.
I'd one up you if I could.
How bout a UPP game once in a while?
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by Skimmy2 » 22 Oct 2017, 20:17
HR171 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 18:30
I'm not necessarily talking about american military(although it is standard for police/SWAT teams to kill dogs on when raiding a property) i'm talking from a British point of view, it is standard procedure to shoot any animals that may interfere with an operation.
In fact the Americans in Vietnam invented this "Mk 22 Mod 0 Hush puppy" a modified Smith and Wesson model 39 with a silencer this was specifically designed to shoot dogs
sooo, it is a done thing and destruction of prperty is allowed otherwise blowing up a missile factory would be a war crime...which it isn't
The destruction of property is only allowed if there is military value/gain in doing so, obviously firing your weapon at somebody who is wearing a uniform isint a warcrime for damaging it.
Of course in our lovely world we can just justify any excuse to get away with anything.
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by HR171 » 23 Oct 2017, 13:26
Skimmy2 wrote: ↑22 Oct 2017, 20:17
The destruction of property is only allowed if there is military value/gain in doing so, obviously firing your weapon at somebody who is wearing a uniform isint a warcrime for damaging it.
Of course in our lovely world we can just justify any excuse to get away with anything.
Making sure your enemy doesn't get alerted to your presence has lots of military value. And just to be clear i'm not advocating shooting dogs without reason but sometimes it is acceptable/understandable( especially from an IC point of view)
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by Skimmy2 » 23 Oct 2017, 15:06
Probably a bigger issue is that, for all we know, we are on a humanitarian mission before enemy contact is made.
Im pretty sure the slaughtering of local wildlife will just alienate colonists further from the government and increase support for the CLF.
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by HR171 » 23 Oct 2017, 15:14
Skimmy2 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2017, 15:06
Probably a bigger issue is that, for all we know, we are on a humanitarian mission before enemy contact is made.
Im pretty sure the slaughtering of local wildlife will just alienate colonists further from the government and increase support for the CLF.
True, but if there are no colonists around and you are in a system with loyalties to rebels/terrorists you might make an assumption that their is an enemy presence.
But it is still a bit of a dick move to shoot the dog without a proper RP reason...it always makes sense to kill a cow though.
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by Hulkamania » 23 Oct 2017, 16:03
There always seems to be one sadistic asshole who HAS to kill the cow and/or dog. They go out of their way to do it.
Although I have seen plenty of instances of a marine dragging one over a claymore.. that doesn't end well.
Pretty universally the squad will verbally berate the guy who ends up killing the animal though, so it isn't exactly an approved action by the majority of players. From an RP standpoint who the hell would kill a small puppy just for kicks? Probably the same kind of people who sign up for the glorious USCM.
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by Tidomann » 23 Oct 2017, 22:42
I can't tell if this is a shop or just the new xkcd of CM
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by OatzAndHoes » 23 Oct 2017, 23:45
Tidomann wrote: ↑23 Oct 2017, 22:42
I can't tell if this is a shop or just the new xkcd of CM
It's terminal lance, a long running comic for the real United States Marine Corps.
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by completelynewguy » 24 Oct 2017, 00:24
I think this is a result of being forced to read The Things They Carried - a book recounting the events of a squad in Vietnam - in school. One anecdote is a squaddie rescuing a puppie, only to strap it to a claymore and then detonate it. That, or such a stereotype spread to the public perception of a realistic space marine.