Battlefield Executions

[misto]

i dont know if ive ever seen any of these stupid shenanigans as a marine. im usually too busy getting eaten by the actual enemy team, the xenomorphs, to get caught up in the dumb ass power tripping fantasies of the command staff and MPs

[Heckenshutze]

BE's will continue until marine behaviour improves

[slc97]

I mean, the guy was a bald as can be and the MP's had him cuffed, so a BE might've been a little much at that point.

plz don't BE me for saying that

If MPs had him cuffed, then that's a bad BE and should have been lodged as a player report. You can't blast someone who is in custody. BE is only there for when a proper execution can't be preformed. If MPs have you in custody, you can't be BEd.

[CrimsonAerospace]

It literally comes down to this.

If the CO wants to BE you, it's basically accepted. He can do so for basically any reason, but he may face IC consequences or OOC ones if he abuses it.

[LocalizedDownpour]

If MPs had him cuffed, then that's a bad BE and should have been lodged as a player report. You can't blast someone who is in custody. BE is only there for when a proper execution can't be preformed. If MPs have you in custody, you can't be BEd.

I was there in briefing, I know MPs were in the briefing hall. as well as about 80 marines...It was the pre Brief show.

That said. I don't THINK he was in custody...and it happened very suddenly...like...I snapped to attention because I heard the Mataba, I didn't even know who got shot until everyone was screaming. That said I think it's abit too late for a report, and I was just a witness regardless, not directly involved.

[Simo94]

If MPs had him cuffed, then that's a bad BE and should have been lodged as a player report. You can't blast someone who is in custody. BE is only there for when a proper execution can't be preformed. If MPs have you in custody, you can't be BEd.

I think he indeed was cuffed, and no he didnt refuse to get his armor off, he just didnt know how to and he even said it, and was still BE'd, and as Apop stated in a recent player report incident the whitelisted CO can BE for any reason he sees fit........

[slc97]

CO can BE for any reason he sees fit, but if you read marine law, it explicitly says that BE is only for captured prisoners when proper execution is otherwise impossible.

[apophis775]

The CO CAN execute whoever for whatever they want. It's just generally not a good idea because it doesn't guarantee there won't be a mutiny.

As far as this situation, I spoke with the CO in discord who executed the XO for incompetence. Before he realized it was a new player, he thought it was just someone being retarded and he didn't want to deal with a second in command who was useless. He did explain his regret after learning it was a new player.

[apophis775]

I was there in briefing, I know MPs were in the briefing hall. as well as about 80 marines...It was the pre Brief show.

That said. I don't THINK he was in custody...and it happened very suddenly...like...I snapped to attention because I heard the Mataba, I didn't even know who got shot until everyone was screaming. That said I think it's abit too late for a report, and I was just a witness regardless, not directly involved.

If you are a marine or crew member that's a criminal, the Commander can BE you if you have not been detained. While the commander shouldn't make it his priority to hunt down criminals around the ship, he's not going to get in trouble for dispensing justice through BE.

Really, if you think the commander is hunting you down for a crime you committed, you'd be much better off turning yourself in to the MPs for their protection.

[LocalizedDownpour]

If you are a marine or crew member that's a criminal, the Commander can BE you if you have not been detained. While the commander shouldn't make it his priority to hunt down criminals around the ship, he's not going to get in trouble for dispensing justice through BE.

Really, if you think the commander is hunting you down for a crime you committed, you'd be much better off turning yourself in to the MPs for their protection.

I don't know it just seemed like a very odd BE. From an OOC standpoint the XO was a crewie and didn't know how to click drag armor. CO was ordering the armor off and out of nowhere it Mataba Time. MPs were right there...and according to other players had the man cuffed, but I cannot attest to that as I said it happened very suddenly, and it's the only BE I've ever witnessed so it was jarring.

[apophis775]

BE's are supposed to be jarring. They are meant to show you can't just fuck about with the commander.

[Skimmy2]

The CO and his Mataba are a lot of things, but da law aint one.

Trust in Marine Law for the Marine Law wont ever fail you.
At least until they decide to institute Mataba Law.

[Survivor]

I don't want to say it's a touchy subject, and I don't think they happen all too often...maybe once every three or so rounds...

But the Nazi memes aside, I watched Heinz BE the XO of all people today because he couldn't take off his armor. From the sounds of LOOC the guy didn't even know how to. There were MPs there, we hadn't even started briefing yet.

I really wanted to make a player report about this, but the marine law DOES state it can be done for any reason, I was just flabbergasted that I saw this happen. Is there a limit to how the BE function works. Or if you sneeze wrong at the CO is it blammo city?

You really must have missed the round where Heinz made the MPs cut off any brigged person's limbs. Good times...

[Martzin]

You really must have missed the round where Heinz made the MPs cut off any brigged person's limbs. Good times...

sounds fun as an MP main. When did this round happen?

[Bancrose]

Few days ago.

[CrimsonAerospace]

If you are a marine or crew member that's a criminal, the Commander can BE you if you have not been detained. While the commander shouldn't make it his priority to hunt down criminals around the ship, he's not going to get in trouble for dispensing justice through BE.

Really, if you think the commander is hunting you down for a crime you committed, you'd be much better off turning yourself in to the MPs for their protection.

Clarifiy something for me please, Apop...didn't you just say CO can BE for basically anything? How does being under the care of the MP's protect against a BE?

[Skimmy2]

Clarifiy something for me please, Apop...didn't you just say CO can BE for basically anything? How does being under the care of the MP's protect against a BE?

BEs have IC consequences, and it is the duty of a MP to ensure the safety of any prisoners.
Likewise only the Chief Military Police Officer can deny the Prisoner's basic rights, and only during extreme situations.

If a CO BEs a prisoner, he is breaking Marine Law and, while the MPs cant outright arrest him on the spot, they can contact High Command to relieve him of command.

[DriedMilk]

BE's are supposed to be jarring. They are meant to show you can't just fuck about with the commander.

Just clsrifying somehing here. A random dude no matter the role comes and decides to kill your cute little kitty cat (Jones) for no reason what so ever. I'm still getting mixed signals on wether you BE or not. As you said, BEs are there so you don't fuck with the CO. So that means, you can BE people due to them murdering Jones, because they fucked with you as a CO by killing his cute little kitty?

[thatguyfromlife]

I think the thing people are missing is that while the rules allow you to BE, no one said the other Marines will accept your reasoning. Sure, you CAN BE someone for something like stealing your cat, but will everyone agree that it was the right call?

No, because Marines love themselves a mutiny. Maybe, who knows.

[MrJJJ]

I always have the same opinion on BE's.

Giving players ability to kill another player freely, for basically any reason whatsoever, even if its something stupidly minor, is not exactly a great idea, despite its *cool* factor.

[Simo94]

I think the thing people are missing is that while the rules allow you to BE, no one said the other Marines will accept your reasoning. Sure, you CAN BE someone for something like stealing your cat, but will everyone agree that it was the right call?

No, because Marines love themselves a mutiny. Maybe, who knows.

I dont buy this ''you dont like a BE? then do a mutiny!'' thing, mutiny isnt easy to manage and is not something you really wanna see often, also it pushes the whole xeno side out of the round pretty much.

[Blade2000Br]

Clarifiy something for me please, Apop...didn't you just say CO can BE for basically anything? How does being under the care of the MP's protect against a BE?

As a MP main, I will give you what I have:

The CO CANNOT BE someone under MP custody. Period. If the CO BE someone under MP custody is both an IC and OOC issue, save for events.

IC, its murder. Yes, if you BE someone under MP custody, you are doing a unauthorized Execution, since this person is protected by law, and can only be executed by normal ways.

OOC because the CO BEd someone the MPs had already arrested. Which means if you ahelp/player report this guy, he will be guilty of said crime and can get his whitelist removal or the very least, a extremely heavy warning.

So there's that. COs are not above marine law despite the memes that point that. If the CO try execute someone and you MP, you can take him under custody immediatly and ahelp that behaviour.

[Skimmy2]

Its probably a great time to remind everyone to check out dat wiki and read Marine Law, it clearly states Who it applies to and What you can or cant do.
There is an entire section on Executions, nobody in this thread should be confused about it's procedure.

[CrimsonAerospace]

Its probably a great time to remind everyone to check out dat wiki and read Marine Law, it clearly states Who it applies to and What you can or cant do.
There is an entire section on Executions, nobody in this thread should be confused about it's procedure.

And yet...most of the server is still in the blue about it, because BE's are some of the strangest things on CM.

[Vispain]

When's the last time MPs have confronted the CO/Faxed high command about a unlawful BE?

I mean that's the entire point of regulating BEs through IC consequences.

I don't know if it went through, but I remember a round where the CMP was BE'd for refusing to release the CL (who was arrested and in the brig) to W-Y PMCs there to retrieve him. The MPs were split in agreeing/disagreeing with the BE, but lacking a CMP and precedent I don't think anything happened with HC about it.

Probably the main problem with why it doesn't happen is the rarity of BEs, the situations in which they happen, and the fact I doubt a lot of MPs don't even know about it/will do it if they got the chance.