Update Discussion thread (14FEB18)

[Rohesie]

I don't quite get the point of the vendors. The only difference is if I lose my armor (after getting defib'd) I can't get a second one. Otherwise its just limiting things you'd only want one of anyway?

You can still get armor in the surplus uniform vendors. What you can't get if you lose are pouches and belts.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

MadSnailDisease updated:

Further changed how damage redistributes in order to punish going out without armor or a lot of empty slots in general

Hang on, so does having items in your armor/webbing slots add to weight/armor?


Glad the warriors have been dealt with, must of been one of the most anticipated updates for a while.

Got to jump on and check out the new vendor changes.

[Cry of Wolves]

This update was pretty much to remove marines that vend all the first aid pouches just to take the injectors. And I will admit, it is incredibly annoying seeing first aid pouches on the floor with just bandages and ointment.

[ghost120]

One problem I have with vendors is first aid pouches.
Can we no longer take two pouches, one with injectors and other with the regular loadout ?
Hell, what if you use up all your injectors ? Are we going to have to beg Req for a refill ?

Edit : I know you can restock nanomeds with expanded injectors, but my point still stands

but other than that, It's neat. Unneeded, but neat.

Welp, i take additional injectors from nanomeds, i believe there's no other way to get more of them.

[Imperator_Titan]

Tank artillery provides a large zoom, much like the boiler's own zoom. You can fire your weapons too while zoomed in, allowing you to kill xenos without them ever seeing you. It's basically the only module you need tbh.

[Gnorse]

That's a bit harsh, isn't it ?
So basically we have to rely on medics even more now, since first-aid injectors did most of the work.

[Bronimin]

Welp, i take additional injectors from nanomeds, i believe there's no other way to get more of them.

Cargo has a billion of the things in their vendor and I think that they are all filled, soooo

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Smartgunners dont appear to get a spare powerpack anymore with these new vendor changes, so say goodbye to leaving a spare one at the LZ/FOB.Another thing we will have to ask REQ for.

[spookydonut]

Engineers rejoice, now you can take as much metal as you can

[Brotemis]

I do like the new vendors vs lockers. In a way, it's more streamlined and easier for new people to understand, but at the same time can possibly limit you.

I swear, smart gunner vendors used to have another power pack in them so you could take a backup with you.

Has this changed or am I imagining things?

[Park]

Smartgunners definitely had a spare powerpack in their vendor so it's definitely wasn't your imagination.

[solidfury7]

This change looks excellent on paper. I'm looking forward to trying them out.

[ghost120]

Also, there is something sneaky. Injectors in first-aid pouches now have 15 units, so don't OD yourself.

[James_ii]

Nice. Injector buff.

Also has I tried the update, I think it's pretty ok.

Allthough my perspective for it is kinda limited, I think that the update might be a buff for the marines.

With all of the points and such.

[Pogo92]

That's a bit harsh, isn't it ?
So basically we have to rely on medics even more now, since first-aid injectors did most of the work.

Apparently you never use bandages. Unless you're in a high damage state (Mangled/Sloughing) a bandage and burn ointment can usually get you back to a good spot with natural healing rates. For anything a bandage/ointment can't heal, you probably will need to see a medic anyways (Pain Crit, Broken bones, ect.). Only time I use my first aid injector is if I don't have time to bandage myself or if it's a high amount of danage and I can't get to a medic, which is rare (And thus one per bag is fine for it).

[Rohesie]

Apparently you never use bandages. Unless you're in a high damage state (Mangled/Sloughing) a bandage and burn ointment can usually get you back to a good spot with natural healing rates. For anything a bandage/ointment can't heal, you probably will need to see a medic anyways (Pain Crit, Broken bones, ect.). Only time I use my first aid injector is if I don't have time to bandage myself or if it's a high amount of danage and I can't get to a medic, which is rare (And thus one per bag is fine for it).

Bandage is useful for stopping bleeding, but you can throw away ointment without regrets.

Injectors are great, though. If a ravager lops of one of your hands you can use the other to inject yourself both injectors and run away back to safety, pain-crit delayed and a bit of healing. Remember to examine yourself for bleeding wounds and apply bandages.

[Sulaboy]

Hang on, so does having items in your armor/webbing slots add to weight/armor?


Glad the warriors have been dealt with, must of been one of the most anticipated updates for a while.

Got to jump on and check out the new vendor changes.

It's for the tank, it has to deal with adding modules. Marine armor is unchanged.

[BadApple]

I played engineer and the update makes more sense

However now I want briefing to happen before I gear up, so I can choose loadout based on orders - any plans for a change like that?

I don't wanna miss the drop when its straight after briefing.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

It's for the tank, it has to deal with adding modules. Marine armor is unchanged.

Ahh ok, rogey that.

[zoboomafoo]

Movement feels pretty great now, no more slow af lurkers/runners/ravagers etc.

Much much smoother than before, props to the devs that worked on it.

[immaspaceninja]

Please, consider making vendor prices change with the population.
Lowpop has pretty big problem, especially with combat engies. Since right now its 'less engies = less b-mats', lowpop engie start really low on supplies, while req also has less points due to population scaling.
Claymores need attention as well. 18 points is WAAAY too much for them. It really looks like made them cost that high to prevent people from taking alot of claymore boxes, but come on, they are nothing special right now due to explosion resistance of benos and our inability to hide them with common junk (Still can do that but its harder). Even req doesnt order claymores that often. They might actually become another mortar at this rate.

I also think that some engineering supplies such as circuitry and batteries should be moved to the tools vendor, because they are a must have for fixing comms and sometimes APCs in the generator room or the FOB. I know that you get power control board for free along with some batteries and an airlock control board if you pick an electronics pouch, but that makes this pouch almost a must-pick, which isnt okay. We already have alot of rounds where newbie engies are sent to fix comms or power and fail at it, but this update can sometimes prevent them from even trying.

[solidfury7]

I think it'd be neat if vendors gave you some additional items to purchase to customise your loadout and play style.

Such as binoculars, rollerbeds, basic medical kits, general special equipment which could allow you to diversify as a grunt on the ground..... and other fluff stuff you could implement (think of stuff like cigars and the headsets)

Hell you could even give people the option of things like armour
Lighter Armour - faster speed, less protection, quicker to get up from stuns
Heavier armour - more protection, less speed, slower to get up from stuns but more stability when shooting

I think this update is low-key setting the scene for some damned good future work.

[BadApple]

Please, consider making vendor prices change with the population.
Lowpop has pretty big problem, especially with combat engies. Since right now its 'less engies = less b-mats', lowpop engie start really low on supplies, while req also has less points due to population scaling.

There is a free stack of metal and plasteel for each team of engineers, I feel like this aliviates, not like they can carry heaps more without sacrificing other stuff anyway.

I too would like more options with armour, ammo and weapons. Replace the RO line completely, leave it for people who want specialty orders.

Maybe the RO could even trade points to individual marines so they can dispense things themselves.

CL could too - so they can bribe marines with equipment. ('Weyland Points',. "Premium currency" vibe)

[Casany]

I think it'd be neat if vendors gave you some additional items to purchase to customise your loadout and play style.

Such as binoculars, rollerbeds, basic medical kits, general special equipment which could allow you to diversify as a grunt on the ground..... and other fluff stuff you could implement (think of stuff like cigars and the headsets)

Hell you could even give people the option of things like armour
Lighter Armour - faster speed, less protection, quicker to get up from stuns
Heavier armour - more protection, less speed, slower to get up from stuns but more stability when shooting

I think this update is low-key setting the scene for some damned good future work.

Legit they just copied from Mercdonalds

But for real, updates are good and it's going in a good direction. If they add more player choice for the loadout of marines that'd be a lotta fun and add replayability. Like even if I could just pick between three different armors that'd be cool. All would of course have to be equally balanced.

[spookydonut]

Legit they just copied from Mercdonalds

But for real, updates are good and it's going in a good direction. If they add more player choice for the loadout of marines that'd be a lotta fun and add replayability. Like even if I could just pick between three different armors that'd be cool. All would of course have to be equally balanced.

To copy them we would have to have played there and know what they do. I haven't and doubt Phil has, how can we when their server is up a few hours a month?