Metagaming - Why don't I understand it?

[HKO20006]

How about make Xeno can't close crates? The only legit usage of Xeno closing a crate is to move it, either move it away or to meta as mobile cover. I bet 90% is the latter. So why not?

[Shuffl3]

How about make Xeno can't close crates? The only legit usage of Xeno closing a crate is to move it, either move it away or to meta as mobile cover. I bet 90% is the latter. So why not?

Gitlab it yo. Only reasons I close crates is to RP hiding traces of my presence and to use as disposable cover while marines are shooting at me.

[Heckenshutze]

Lol, Heckenshutze. His question hasnt been answered ya goof. We've just pointed out things that are flagged as meta, strategies to avoid getting banned for it, and tips on how to recognize it. Nobody has touched 'Why he doesnt understand it.' As a group our responses are all over the place. Even you contradict yourself when you list '6) Ship-side: Going STRAIGHT to SD/Tcomms before other rooms to melt/slash stuff/APC.' and then say 'CM has it's own lore, where xenos are so smart that know how tcomms work'. The former of which is at odds with Fewehs stated position about t-coms slashing from a while back. Sorry if the debate was starting to get out of hand, but it is fundamentally an investigative tool. And I think its served its purpose because Ive got a pretty good idea of why its just hard to make sense of 'why'.

CM is in a post-meta era now.

The server has been run near-continuously round after round for years. The core playerbase has become so intimate and efficient with the game that the meta is just baked in. Its a fundamental part of the experience. Marines clear weeds from the get-go, shoot eggs on sight, and blast xenos at first contact. Crushers get charged with incinerators but players that use them on ravs and queens get admonished. Specs and officers get meta-targeted, lazes and OBs get run from, and strongpoints on the Almayer get rushed. If the metagaming rule was fully enforced most of the players would be out with bans. Metagaming is really more of a catchall for players perceived to be violating the spirit of the game.

So Stumpy Buckford probably doesn't understand it simply because that is a fluid, organic concept that he probably hasn't been around long enough to catch up to speed with.

If anyone's a goof here that's you because he asked specifically some explanation for his Job Ban and later I made a list of what's considered againts the rules for most of the staff.

Besides, before making such list I stated: "It's a very thin line" AKA xenos are allowed to do everything yet there are some exceptions that aren't even ruled, why? Because isn't something that has been put under discussion other than leaving it to criteria maybe we should make the rules, also it's not my concern to know why we don't just apply mechanical fixes for such things, I'm just here to enforce the rules and ensure the amusement of the players.


Regarding you two and Miranda, you're arguing about how smart is a xeno, why should they know this and that and stuff, even talked about the Lore of the movies.. we have our own lore for a reason:to justify changes that aren't movie/comic related, that's a different topic and if you wish to continue just open a new thread and let everyone join in and debate.

Basically, this whole complain comes from your change of subject from Xeno Metagame to "Xenos: Smart animals or ultimate genius"

[Scrubakistan]

If I was going to rule on it I would say melting guns is fine it happens all the time, aliens know guns are bad at roundstart, just like marines know xenos are bad when first contact is made. However gathering up abunch of gear so you can melt it once is the key factor here.

Just how intelligent are xenos supposed to be? They obviously learn stuff pretty quickly. You could make a case for this being power gaming if the problem was just melting the HPRs to begin with but is it really meta to conserve energy? I feel like xenos would be able to understand the concept of piling things up to spray acid on them all at once.


I dunno, just seems like a silly ban if you ask me.

[Heckenshutze]

Just how intelligent are xenos supposed to be? They obviously learn stuff pretty quickly. You could make a case for this being power gaming if the problem was just melting the HPRs to begin with but is it really meta to conserve energy? I feel like xenos would be able to understand the concept of piling things up to spray acid on them all at once.


I dunno, just seems like a silly ban if you ask me.

It's not a matter of How smart they are or how much they can learn about something, it's a matter of gameplay, like my original comment, "The shoe in the other foot" , the reason behind the fog wall and the shuttles fueling time: to give a chance to the other team.


In the end, no lore, no logic nor realism beats Gameplay.

[Kesserline]

Just, I'll sum it up in a few words : don't be a dick.

It's a video game, if you pull and focus all your intelligence, knowledge, abilities to make sure that you win, by all means, you're a dick. Because this is YOUR victory, and you refuse to see THEIR defeat.

Just play, like you would play, normally, with some sort of common sense (act with realism, a bit of IC intel and some fair-play).

Just, don't be a dick. And you'll see that you will won't be banhammered.

[Scrubakistan]

It's not a matter of How smart they are or how much they can learn about something, it's a matter of gameplay, like my original comment, "The shoe in the other foot" , the reason behind the fog wall and the shuttles fueling time: to give a chance to the other team.


In the end, no lore, no logic nor realism beats Gameplay.

Well yeah, those are moves that have a direct effect on game play.
What I don't understand here is that the mods were fine with melting the HPRs, just not all at once.
Either way they all get melted, right?
End result remains the same.

[Blade2000Br]

Well yeah, those are moves that have a direct effect on game play.
What I don't understand here is that the mods were fine with melting the HPRs, just not all at once.
Either way they all get melted, right?
End result remains the same.

with that reasoning, why we should ban a guy that mentions xenos roundstart if they will find they exist anyway? End results remains the same amirighte?

Because the mod gave it's ruling. If he gave this rulling you must respect it. if he determinates it was meta/powergaming do such thing, then it is till a final say from the heads is made.

[MIKUiqnw0]

I'd also like to understand their metagaming rules, as it seems they can't even be consistent about it.
I offer this flip side marine incident. Just yesterday, I died as a Praetorian to a marine placing a claymore down and hiding the sprite using his own live body as bait. The roleplay guidelines state that the marines are able people and are of sound mind, so clearly this player was out of line.

I ahelped it and the autoresponse I got was "IC Issue" from both Feweh and someone else. The player even admitted afterwards that he knew he could just heal away the damage as they'd done this several times already.
So go ham with claymores, marines. Apparently they can't meta either.

[Scrubakistan]

with that reasoning, why we should ban a guy that mentions xenos roundstart if they will find they exist anyway? End results remains the same amirighte?

Because the mod gave it's ruling. If he gave this rulling you must respect it. if he determinates it was meta/powergaming do such thing, then it is till a final say from the heads is made.

That analogy is different though because it actively affects the roleplay. If I'm hungry as marine is it metagaming to take some food planetside so I don't have to head back up later? There's nothing meta about doing things preemptively to save time later, especially if it's things your character would be familiar with, like melting things or hunger. At the most this is the power gaming equivalent of jaywalking.
I'm not saying he should be unbanned or trying to be disrespectful but I feel like it's being made more of a problem than it should be. Sorry if I sound like an ass.

[Shuffl3]

[Weaselburg]

I'd also like to understand their metagaming rules, as it seems they can't even be consistent about it.
I offer this flip side marine incident. Just yesterday, I died as a Praetorian to a marine placing a claymore down and hiding the sprite using his own live body as bait. The roleplay guidelines state that the marines are able people and are of sound mind, so clearly this player was out of line.

I ahelped it and the autoresponse I got was "IC Issue" from both Feweh and someone else. The player even admitted afterwards that he knew he could just heal away the damage as they'd done this several times already.
So go ham with claymores, marines. Apparently they can't meta either.

Wow. I use mines and would never be this scummy.

[misto]

are you sure he "used his own live body as bait" and didnt like, fall over in paincrit right after placing the mine

[davidofmk771]

with that reasoning, why we should ban a guy that mentions xenos roundstart if they will find they exist anyway?

Why should you? Even completely ignoring lore, aliens besides xenos exist even in the form of Yirens and Farwas, how can marines be expected to not believe that aliens exist when aliens existing is a big part of the game itself (ie smallhosts).

[Blade2000Br]

Why should you? Even completely ignoring lore, aliens besides xenos exist even in the form of Yirens and Farwas, how can marines be expected to not believe that aliens exist when aliens existing is a big part of the game itself (ie smallhosts).

Don't you dare start shitposting in my assumption of the aliens Lore, or I gonna freaking murder you, kid.

[Sulaboy]

Why should you? Even completely ignoring lore, aliens besides xenos exist even in the form of Yirens and Farwas, how can marines be expected to not believe that aliens exist when aliens existing is a big part of the game itself (ie smallhosts).

Don't forget the Arcturians a humanoid alien race that was occupied by the USCM and their planet is now used as a refueling depot and for shore leave.

[davidofmk771]

My biggest thing with it is all the references to 'bugs' and 'bug stomps'. I like to imagine that the whole xeno thing is passe to marines, until they encounter the ones that spit acid, use humans as hosts, and take bullets like nothing else.

In other words, when boots aren't committing WARCRIME, they are acting as glorified pest control agents with guns and bombs.