Is there even a point in trying for predator?

[Lukey111]

There is roleplay aspect for sure, but you also can't forget that a predator can also be a balancing force in the game. If xenos are winning too much lately, predators should hunt them. If marines win too much, predators should hunt them. This can be an organic balancing force that is external to devs changing the game, and it's useful that it can be applied to either side of the conflict.

This is basically what I was typing up

[Snypehunter007]

There is roleplay aspect for sure, but you also can't forget that a predator can also be a balancing force in the game. If xenos are winning too much lately, predators should hunt them. If marines win too much, predators should hunt them. This can be an organic balancing force that is external to devs changing the game, and it's useful that it can be applied to either side of the conflict.

This is basically what I was typing up

I think the predators have to not be immediately gunned down or hunted to be a balancing force lads.

[Vispain]

For many it really is all just about the "phat loot"

The following example has happened several times.
For example, be me a SL. See dead pred( be it one I killed or just one I stumbled upon that is dead/was killed). Move to secure the body and gear for research.
Have to manual get in fistfights and/or pushing and/or drag fests over the body and gear...
I even had one fellow say later they were going even thinking about shooting me dead over it.


Point is. You'd think that when a person of authority says, "Don't loot the body. I'm taking it to Research and Command" that they'd listen...rather than get into a passive aggressive fight with them.

Obstructing it obstructs potential RP, Researcher's jobs, and is scummy.

[kroack]

Shooting an SL over dead predator loot is pretty low RP.

[x31stOverlord]

Shooting an SL over dead predator loot is pretty low RP.

For many it really is all just about the "phat loot"

The following example has happened several times.
For example, be me a SL. See dead pred( be it one I killed or just one I stumbled upon that is dead/was killed). Move to secure the body and gear for research.
Have to manual get in fistfights and/or pushing and/or drag fests over the body and gear...
I even had one fellow say later they were going even thinking about shooting me dead over it.


Point is. You'd think that when a person of authority says, "Don't loot the body. I'm taking it to Research and Command" that they'd listen...rather than get into a passive aggressive fight with them.

Obstructing it obstructs potential RP, Researcher's jobs, and is scummy.

It really is Lowrp and borderline powergamey in my opinion. The "veterans" who don't care for RP and just want the win will want every tool in their disposal to win against xenos. What's that, a pred?! Get the OBs outside the lodge and call cas on them so we can loot their armour and traps to use against the benos l o l. It's the same group of marines every round that try to immediately hunt down preds the moment they hear them. Ignoring all orders from command until they've killed the pred or been killed by the pred. It also ruins the rest of the round for the marines who might like to get some interactions with the preds because as soon as we defend ourselves from relentless pursuit we get labelled as KOS because we are hostile.

I once was dealing with a group of marines outside my lodge using the translator to tell them to go away. One kept trying to run up and fucking hug me to try and make me lash out so they'd have an excuse to attack me relentlessly. I punch him after the second hug and all of a sudden: "IT'S FUCKING HOSTILE SHOOT IT! KILL IT!" A situation that the other dungas in the area jumped on leading to a few marine deaths whilst the others who wanted to interact were trying to get them away from me. It's a shame and spoils what can be good RP interactions and then people wonder why preds can't or don't RP much and only kill people.

[NoahKirchner]

I fully advocate for the slaughtering of predators at first sight because 9.9/10 they are immediately antagonistic towards marines, especially in crucial moments later in the round. The RP they offer also generally just involves having one marine kill another marine, or taking a marine hostage and using them as slave labour, so what's the point? As far as I'm concerned, they're just another alien to shoot on sight because their entire premise is based around conflict, they have no tools at their disposal to actually initiate RP beyond getting marines killed. And I say marines explicitly because they can't RP with aliens, which is entirely understandable, but you can only duel or kidnap a marine so many times before it gets stale and annoying enough to warrant a KOS, because interacting with one is basically certain death or removal from the round, nearly every time without fail.

[OatzAndHoes]

Preds are a snowflake role who get mad when they get dunked on yet are by far the most OP class/caste/etc in the game. I agree with Noah.

Also inb4 "hurr you just kill them for the loot"

I kill them because they are a large, mean looking alien that has skulls around their belt and without fail refuse to comply with orders to drop their weapons. Despite what people think, good RP can be reacting realistically in a situation, not just having anime dialogues with every runner that comes by. You're on a hostile planet full of alien life forms trying to kill you and then another scary looking alien starts acting weird in the shadows, it's pretty realistic to shoot it's ass up. I don't even use predloot, I just do it for the predtears and to protect my comrades.

[Royal Griffon]

I feel that predators should really have a choice on who to support
I mean movie lore wise, predators will NEVER side with xenos and will only work with humans to to make sure that xenos don't live for long and then will fight with the human they probably want to fight with (for example the predator who hands the detective the flintlock pistol at the end of the New York predator movie, he actually stood back to back with the person he wanted to kill and before he could fight them in a fair sword fight, the human was shot in the back, but handed that predator his flintlock which ended up in the detective's hands at the end of that movie) they probably would normally fight xenos until there were so few left that they weren't much of a threat, and then fight with the human they saw pose the most bravery and would be considered the greatest opponent to fight. However one thing that doesn't help the predator case in a lot of examples in the predator honor code (which I said I didn't read on my application cause I took it for, "do you know it like the back of your hand," instead of, "have you heard of it basically.") it literally says, "they are to be taken as hostiles until proven otherwise," which basically stands to say, "shoot on sight unless they prove they aren't to be shot on sight."
Which I find to be the most damning thing to the marines firing on the preds, they literally read the first thing about them saying to shoot to kill basically. When if the predator proves to be helpful to the marines, rarely are they ever shot at. Which goes back to that old saying of, "shoot on sight until proven friendly." Which is hard as hell to do.