CL, Marine Law and Ultrazine

[ThePiachu]

So, as I understand, CL's new goodies seem to be "cutting edge" and not really widely known about. This is so you won't have the XO casually walk by your window at the start of the round and yell about drug distribution (https://youtu.be/H71bMwxQwIE?t=695). They also have the NDA to cover their asses if anything goes wrong. So, what should you do if an MP busts down your door with a written confession from a marine saying that you gave them the drugs and you should be busted for dealing drugs? Take out the NDA form and sue their asses because they broke it, therefore that evidence is "tainted"? Let them bust your ass and make the CMP forward a letter to WY about the breach of NDA so they could send a lawyer down and talk the police down? Accept your fate for the good of the company? Or at least demand house arrest so you can still do your important job? What is a CL to do to save their ass?

[JJG]

You could have your drug slave safe you. I mean what addict would let his only source of drugs get cuffed and put behind bars?

[Nantei]

I have only ratted on the CL once for giving me shit. The reason? The ultrazine was fucking BAD that round. Really bad. I had constant hallucinations and was basically crippled. Granted, I got great work done before that, so #worth. And it was at the end of the round that I ratted, because Phi was completely crippled by the addiction, even on the pills. This was the round where I thought I hallucinated a queen in the garden.

My best advice would be to just avoid giving it to people you don't trust. A couple CL's and me have a mutual understanding that I am reliable and discreet. Find people like that, develop working relationships. Other than that? Yeah, send out faxes and shit. The company should actually want to bail you out if you weren't bad at your job, because they will want the results of their bleeding edge tech, and you were supposed to give it out.

[x31stOverlord]

I don't give any of the new goodies out round start at all. I think it borders on powergaming behaviour if the CL has a stream of marines looking for "extra work" in exchange for "bonuses"

If a marine runs to you at roundstart asking for Ultra. Either dont give it them or ahelp and report them for powergaming.

Other than that. Make sure they RP well, get them to sign a medical waiver and or NDA. Get them to have the CMO or XO sign the form so it is legal and when the MPs come knocking, laugh at them and point them at the XO or CMO and if they arrest you? Ahelp because they've broken the law.

Perfect immunity.

[ThePiachu]

Medical waiver sounds like a great idea. “I want to participate in experimental study by WY”, neat.

[Nantei]

I think calling it powergaming is pretty... questionable, considering the CL has very good reasons to do it in-character as they want to test it and they want a patsy/accomplice in hiding stuff, and the soldier wants an edge on the field. So long as people are properly roleplaying it, I don't see an issue. Although honestly I think if you are giving out the ultrazine before the implant you are probably making a mistake, because the ultrazine is what they usually REALLY want.

[Bronimin]

I would question the legality of medical waivers when you are dealing with highly addictive drugs. Beurocracy can only protect you so much. Now, if you got someone else to do your dirty work and distribute the ultrazine and relay your orders, then that's plausible deniability right there.

As for powergaming, if they are seeking you out and begging for work for their sweet sweet ultrazine dose, tell them to do something while being non-committal and then screw them over afterwards. Channel your inner corporate dirtbag, I know you can do it.

[Dothal]

I don't give any of the new goodies out round start at all. I think it borders on powergaming behaviour if the CL has a stream of marines looking for "extra work" in exchange for "bonuses"

If a marine runs to you at roundstart asking for Ultra. Either dont give it them or ahelp and report them for powergaming.

Other than that. Make sure they RP well, get them to sign a medical waiver and or NDA. Get them to have the CMO or XO sign the form so it is legal and when the MPs come knocking, laugh at them and point them at the XO or CMO and if they arrest you? Ahelp because they've broken the law.

Perfect immunity.

Actually under the new Marine law, addictive substances come under contraband and theres no mention of waivers or permission being enough to allow you to distribute (or even possess) them

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Criminal laws kinda trump a civil NDA, so in essence the NDA is worthless if the marine who is under arrest gives a confession.
Yeah you could totally "sue" them, but at that point you're already in trouble for a criminal offense so it's kind a moot point.

[ThePiachu]

I would almost believe WY would almost achieve extra-judicatory position by now, like FIFA or the like (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr6ar3xJL_Q). "We will rent you for our bidding, here is a brick of an agreement so all of our asses are covered and we can do whatever".

So the question here would be priorities - is the CL here to ensure WY is represented on the ship and know about what's going on, or is the CL here to test some experimental stims and get busted for it, but that's fine because he'd get bailed after the mission. I'd probably say the Company would be more interested in knowing whether their actual mission is going well or whether they need to send in the death squad.

If that's the case, the CL needs to have some way to cover their ass in a slimy, corporate way to make the the charges not stick. You don't want to risk permabrig and potential execution of your lackey.

[ThePiachu]

I guess if WY wanted to "test" the drugs, the CL would just drop a bottle by the dropship or briefing and let the Marines get twitchy, then just acquire the doctor's notes afterwards about what happened during the mission. Might be interesting to try that once...

[Mister Jeether]

the CL would just drop a bottle by the dropship or briefing and let the Marines get twitchy, then just acquire the doctor's notes afterwards about what happened during the mission

Good Luck having an entire squad of MPs banging in your door along with a platoon of addicted marines.

[Nantei]

Technically speaking the only way they would find out the CL was responsible was if they ran prints. Which if you are smart you can get latex gloves and then they are kinda fucked because everyone has access to that. But let's be real, most MP's don't even know you can run prints.

[ThePiachu]

The thing is, I think I figured out a way how a CL can drop Ultrazine without leaving any prints. I'm aiming to compile a small topic on CL exploits once I roll CL again...

[Nantei]

If you use latex gloves and a different suit I think they can't get you. It would leave doctors fibers and the gloves stuff.

[Hastati]

All this subterfuge isn't gonna work because you know the pfc is going to have told everyone over the radio "CL has magic meth it's gr8"

[Nantei]

Yeah, but a testimony isn't enough to prove it unless there's a ton of people. And unless the CL is caught doing it by someone, they can't testify to it. Because nobody is supposed to know the CL has implants/Ultrazine. I have cleared this with a mod before. YOu are NOT supposed to ask for it, you are supposed to ask for incentives. You've heard rumors that they will give out bonuses to people willing to put in the work. Things like that. If someone arrests the CL, "'Cuz I know they have ultrazine." It's metagaming.

[Build_R_]

Just how binding are the CL's documents anyways? Do those NDAs and waivers carry any legal weight that could save the CL from problems with the law? I can imagine that the CO signing them could at least assign it with some sort of authority.

[TheMaskedMan2]

Chug the entire bottle of Ultrazine, it'll go well, trust me.

[Nantei]

The documents are legally binding but they don't protect the CL from legal action. The marine can break the NDA, and you could sue them, but you wouldn't be protected from legal repercussions of what they leaked.

[Dolth]

If a marine runs to you at roundstart asking for Ultra. Either dont give it them or ahelp and report them for powergaming.

Ehh. It's metagaming. Not powergaming. You should know that.