No shotguns allowed

[Nantei]

Not true.

Read the rules. SirLordington himself yesterday also stated that MPs don’t have to follow the law. Rex got banned for griefing, not breaking Marine Law.

I think you are misinterpreting what he said, or he was wrong, but I am going to assume the first.

"Military Police may, at their discretion, ignore Minor Crimes unless they are ordered to enforce one. However, they should never break Marine Law themselves - Minor or Major crimes."
https://cm-ss13.com/wiki/Marine_Law

[Musely]

Yeah I wasn't banned for breaking marine law, just an accumulation of notes over a short period of time.

[Davidchan]

There is literally no server rule saying MPs have to follow ML. ML is IC rules and thus there is no OOC punishment for breaking them specifically. MPs are supposed to police each other but they don't, so if the CMP/MPs want to commit sedition and pervication by brigging marines innocent of any actual crimes or claim insub against people who outrank them because they were told to get the fuck out of the way, there isn't any rule or precedent saying they can't.

Which all leads back to the problem that MPs in general are out of control and get sanctioned griefing powers because it's possible bait and twist marine law so everyone is a criminal and brig times just keep piling up.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Ok ok, this is getting out of hand.

Billy, chill out. If you are frustrated or something it's ok, but lashing on people will not do any good.

Now please get this thread back on topic or I will get this locked.

I was trying to keep in on topic, but understood.

Yeah I wasn't banned for breaking marine law, just an accumulation of notes over a short period of time.

Exactly, that round was just the catalyst to your MP character getting shut down for the time being, but he wasnt the main instigator or even the instigator that created/allowed the situation in the first place, he ended up just being the scapegoat for the CO and CMP in both IC and OOC channels.Punished for his accumulating MP notes and not directly for what he actually was doing IC in that round.

Yeah any other player would have been de-whitelisted or even banned for the shit the CO pulled. While I am happy to see Rex go, I think a proper staff complaint is now in order, focusing exclusively on the CO's actions.

I tend to agree, whos doing the report? Secondly, as a honest question, should we really bother seeming weve now got the bogus result in which the CO/CMP got no punishment and theres several examples from the past showing staff reports dont really get anything done.

I also have this funny feeling that the admins will shut down a report almost instantly because they will claim that the matter has been fully dealt with, when we all know it hasnt.

[TastyCrabLegs]

Why do we not just pull an old school Shark Week and start handing out perma bans for shit again?

I cannot believe I will type this but here it goes *This actually pains me*
Feweh was correct when he at one point go tired of the shit and put into effect Shark Week and any bullshit was a very heavy ban if not perma.

I hated the guy still do but that did in fact stop a lot of people from Pre brief fighting, shooting in brief, not playing your role, multikeying, and over all just being shit.


Sometimes being nice isn't the way to go, as far as the Admin abuse.
We all have been around a server long enough to know where this will lead

[Drownie]

Why do we not just pull an old school Shark Week and start handing out perma bans for shit again?

The Shark Week was basically an excuse to force an "RP" desired by Feweh, a tyranny masked as a "greater good". You said that it is painful for you to admit that, but you're the only that asked for its return, in that week many IC issues got treated as OOC resulting in a shitshow.
Seriously, CM already have a bad fame for not having tolerance and you only need to open Reddit to see this.

Furthermore, complaints about Pre-Briefing fight and "not doing your rule" are something stupid as many people already have discussed in the "Current Status of Charlie Squad" post - if you want to harden the laws at the point of making RP something rowdy, that's not the game.

[Casany]

People are ignoring the larger problem. If a staff member is accused of doing something wrong, the team immediately attempts to JUSTIFY instead of seeing if there was a legit break of conduct. You can see this in the most recent player report.

Staff don’t ever think that they might have done something wrong, they instead try to justify each other’s actions to cover each other’s asses.

This relates back to this incident because even though we do not have the staff logs at the time it is easy to assume that the very same thing that happened in the most recent player report logs happened in those logs, which is why you didn’t see them posted.

[Surrealistik]

Any CO who tries to ban shotguns should instead be immediately permabanned from the CO whitelist; no exceptions, no appeals, no mercy.

[Lorem123]

Yeah I think I'll try and open a staff report on Blade. It'll be ignored like every other staff report, but it will be something to refer back to when showing that he's abused his mod status TWICE now to avoid punishment.
He only got SPOKEN TO for this. I kill an MP that's been meta-targeting and griefing me and I get an immediate ban.