Battlefield Executions topic

[Dolth]

@Frans What the hell? You expect a SO to shoot you as a CO for disarming and pulling them from a console? Not even sure that's an IC issue in that situation but regardless if the just draw his gun THEN YES YOU CAN BE. Regardless you think shooting an SO because you expect them to improper escalate is okay?

Most of the time there is no immediat threat and the involved person isn't willfuly messing up yet BE happens.

Now if you know oe believe someonz has malicious intents that IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT STORY. And it'd be fine.

[Frans_Feiffer]

@Frans What the hell? You expect a SO to shoot you as a CO for disarming and pulling them from a console? Not even sure that's an IC issue in that situation but regardless if the just draw his gun THEN YES YOU CAN BE. Regardless you think shooting an SO because you expect them to improper escalate is okay?

Most of the time there is no immediat threat and the involved person isn't willfuly messing up yet BE happens.

Now if you know oe believe someonz has malicious intents that IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT STORY. And it'd be fine.

I’d just like to preface this first with I don’t mean to argue this, I think it’s an interesting topic to discuss, and apologies if I come off as a dick. But I believe we’re both a little confused by what the other means hah. I meant they have been told to not fire the OB multiple times before hand, and yet they’re still gunning to blow the squad up or at least fire it. That seems really malicious to me. But you go to pull them away, they just go back for the console. (In that scenario, you don’t BE lest they attack you or it takes away from you doing your job) or you bash there head in then they may take that as a threat and i’ve seen similar situations where they then pulled a weapon and tried fighting back thinking their life was on the line. Yes, that’s not how it goes everytime, but i’ve seen a few situations similar, heck one recently where your best bet is to shoot first, ask questions later. Maybe i’m wrong, and A BE isn’t right in that situation, but overall, I think most BEs are justified. And if it isn’t, that’s why Player Appeals and ahelp are there to set that person straight. I still aim to RP first before BEing cause I don’t enjoy taking someone out of a round, but it doesn’t always work. It really depends on a lot of factors from the person you’re RPing with to the actions that leads up to it.

[Build_R_]

I can't really think of a situation where a BE is appropriate aside from a crewmember/marine threatening lives or actively taking lives, that or if there aren't any MPs available to deal justice to a big criminal. In other cases I would think that you should be able to sic MPs on anyone who's posing a big issue.

[Mitii]

I'd take demotions over BEs any day. BEs just take a player completely out of the round and what a BE really means is: "I can't deal with what you're doing so I'm going to shoot you in the head and be done with it." and is really, really poor when you take into account that a Commander is supposed to demonstrate some semblance of RP. Whipping a gun out and blasting someone's brains out without so much as a chance to say or do anything ICly, I imagine, isn't very cool at all.

In my opinion if the Commander can't deal with someone or someone's actively being a nuisance and condemning the operation in some way, subdue them in any way possible non-lethaly and demote them, period. That way if there is an officer about to OB a ton of marines when repeatedly told not to fire, rather than being permanently removed from the round they're simply kicked out of the CIC for the duration of the operation by having no access. If the demoted person continues to cause trouble then a BE is perfectly acceptable and within reason depending on the severity of what the player is doing.

The one place I do find BEs warranted right off the bat is if it's a mutiny and you know for a fact that your life is at risk. If you start a mutiny and it's in in full effect, then you should know you could die by the Commander's hand, since you know, you get what you asked for.

[Dolth]

Glad to see more people acknowledge the demotion over BE. Now Franz don't worry we aren't arguing. I just have a shitty fashion being a tasd offensive whenever I speak/write.

Anyway, yes I slightly misunderstood that, but then in your said condition I think calling MP and robusting while they arrive would fit. Being ribust is useful. Grab intent on him, swap position then move/push him. Log him off, actively push him away from the console, maybe disarming. Logging yourself in the squad overview if he gozs for another console. Then once MP arrives get him a big ass sentence whereas you task a XO to demote him while he waits in brig.

I would do that. Because regardless of the OOC issues of 'banning' the player from the round, it's low RP. Killing someone because. "Hurr durr I think you are a threat therefor me use gayteba on you." Is low RP and we had that. Hell I've been BE'ed as a PO after not deploying for an evac on a mistake and telling a SO "Stop talking or you won't have your tongue anymore." CO asked me to appologie, said no, he shot. "Hurr durr you a threat!" There was MP on that round and I was shot off right away as I came on my own free will to cic. Guess what, complaint got slided away because "U were a threat".

See my point? You can BE if you think someone is a threat, even not an imminant one. But it is HORSE SHIT to BE in that situation when other options are on line such as MP and demotion. It's low RP murderboning and should be punished if done as we are supposed to expect high RP from CO roles.

Much love tho.

[Dirt]

custom event idea:

the commander just gets to shoot people but if you return fire on him you're improperly escalating and you get banned

[Casany]

As a new commander I will say that the gamers will rise and any chads be shot on sight

For real though agree with Dolth here on how it goes. Only shoot if you absolutely have to fucking shoot

[Cry of Wolves]

As a new commander I will say that the gamers will rise and any chads be shot on sight

For real though agree with Dolth here on how it goes. Only shoot if you absolutely have to fucking shoot

Well Cas, in a perfect world, that would be splendid.

But sadly, players will still report you even if it was entirely justified.

[Dirt]

Well Cas, in a perfect world, that would be splendid.

But sadly, players will still report you even if it was entirely justified.

the commander should be able to sd the ship in order to stop a mutiny

change my mind

[Dolth]

the commander should be able to sd the ship in order to stop a mutiny

change my mind

Technically he sort of owns the ship responsability. If it's about to fall into mutineers hand, uh, why not.

[Frans_Feiffer]

Sorry i’ve been unable to respond until now. But I wish it were a perfect world where people could robust and do everything it takes to prevent BEing from being an option unless it was neccesary. However that isn’t always the case.

An excerpt from the rule regarding Battlefield Executions,

“Whitelisted Commanders are allowed to instantly kill any player at any time except for the Chief MP if they feel that player is a threat to the mission. A command announcement of the situation and reason must then be made.”

With this in mind, the example used above with a LT being told
Multiple times not to fire an OB and yet still being hellbent on doing such despite you pulling him away, or ordering him to not do it is not only lowrp on there side (you’re not supposed to selfantag or do stuff to get you fellow soldiers killed) but also makes them a threat to the OP. Yes, robusting them is nice and may buy you time to keep them off long enough to get MPs, but if there isn’t any MPs, or you’re not Robust it just puts you in even more trouble. That, and in the time it takes for you to call MPs they could already be at the console launching the thing. If you aren’t robust though, which a lot of people aren’t then that could make them an even bigger threat to you, whether they out robust you, take it as a threat and attack etc. etc. Not to say because you’re not Robust you just have the right to kill whoever you want, but by going that route, you give them more time to do what they want so even if you are Robust, if you slip up, it could cause the life of more then one Marine to get their lives taken away. It doesn’t mean either that you shouldn’t
Call for MPs and try and stop the threat before coming to the conclusion of just BEing their ass, your first instinct should be to do so as it’s not your job to enforce the law, it’s theirs. However in tense situations where you may not have the time to call them, or think you can’t hold them off long enough I feel in the heat of the moment a BE would be justified. It may not be the popular opinion, especially of the person trying to launch the OB but if they didn’t want to risk being BE’d they wouldn’t be a threat to the OP, especially when you’re not supposed to be the enemy or what have you, you’re supposed to do everything in your power to aid your comrades and fight the Crayon hating benos.

Apologies, I feel that was really rambly. Basically. The point i’m trying to make is that in the heat of the moment when someones causing a threat to the OP, whether they attack you or you know they intend to fuck the OP, so long as you make the announcement afterwards and it is justifiable I feel a BE is a viable option. Not after the fact, or before you know they intend to fuck up the OP, but in the moment.

And I don’t think BEing them is LowRP either, because think about it; in the heat of the moment, when you have someone actively threatening the OP, you, or your men and you can’t think entirely straight, Do you give them the time or risk yourself to get them detained and stopped, or do you stop the situation in it’s tracks from escalating further and have them dealt with accordingly? Personally I feel a Commander would want to stop the situation from getting out of hand quickly and efficiently then deal with the repurcussions or with them after he can get a grasp back over his/her OP. And as much as it sucks to say, the quickest option isn’t always to get MPs to do the dirty work. Sometimes you have to deal with it yourself before it gets you or your men killed. Or maybe you do have the time to get the MPs, but the person continues to cause trouble and can’t be detained Or harms your men. Trust me, my third BE ever was on a guy that outrobusted my only MP on duty and pulled a gun on her, Firing a good few rounds into her before she could fight back. I wasn’t gonna stand back and watch her get killed, that to me is like watching a Marine getting dragged away by Xenos and you not shooting or trying to help em’. Are BEs ever
your first bet? No, but they should be an option if you’ve deduced they threaten the mission at hand and it means the situation is resolved quickly or prevents harm from being done to the CO or his subordinates. Then afterwards you have ICly
A fax machine to make a report about the COs decisions where HC will decide whether he was right or wrong in the BE and they will punish him accordingly. You also have ahelp and player reports after the round to then make sure that person really was justified or not, which is something I respect about this Server. They don’t tolerate bullshit and maintain the rules effectively,
so if the CO was justified then they may be warned, but nothing further, or if it’s decided they were unjustified in BEing, they get punished accordingly, which could mean just a warning, or being removed from the whitelist.

I know that’s a mouthful, but that’s all I got to say about BEing. It’s a tool to be used in the heat of the moment, not a tool waiting to be abused by murderboning individuals. If it were,
Your opinion on BE’s wouldn’t be brought up on the application that gives you access to the tool, and there wouldn’t be a rule based around it solely that strictly states what it should and shouldn’t be used for.

[Dolth]

Too long didn't read.

[Bancrose]

Take it from a guy who has the experience with the whole mechanic.

If you look at the actions of some players in a round and are looking in the big picture. Sometimes it better to just shoot him than demote/perma/etc. Because as a Commander you're setting a standard. If other people don't think you will punish them for their actions. Than they will do it thinking "It'll only be a short brig timer and a stern talking to."

IE. OBing an entire squad of marines, Sending the Dropship down or not sending it back up when ordered to, Threatening the lives of mission critical personnel. Threats to you or Commands lives.

Honestly there are 100's of ways you can justify the BE. But its ultimate tool will be used to deal with marines who have fucked up so badly or in some way has jeopardized/attempted to jeopardize the Op.

And as you all know, Most Commanders will respond harshly to things that could fuck with the op. So my advice to you all, don't be autistic and you most likely won't be shot.

[Build_R_]

I just find that it's difficult to even talk to some of the commanders without the threat of a BE looming over your head. From what I've seen, if a commander has to deal with an issue in person then the punishment has a very high chance of being a BE even if there's MPs readily available to arrest the culprit.

[taketheshot56]

I just find that it's difficult to even talk to some of the commanders without the threat of a BE looming over your head. From what I've seen, if a commander has to deal with an issue in person then the punishment has a very high chance of being a BE even if there's MPs readily available to arrest the culprit.

Its very simple. Respect the CO and treat him according to his rank. If you walk up and say "YOU FUCKING IDIOT! YOU KILLED MY SQUAD BECAUSE WE DIDNT FOLLOW ORDERS! FUCK YOU YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT ILL FUCKING KILL YOU!" Dont be surprised when you get the mateba pulled.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Its very simple. Respect the CO and treat him according to his rank. If you walk up and say "YOU FUCKING IDIOT! YOU KILLED MY SQUAD BECAUSE WE DIDNT FOLLOW ORDERS! FUCK YOU YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT ILL FUCKING KILL YOU!" Dont be surprised when you get the mateba pulled.

You dont even have to go full on CAPS retard in the commanders general direction to get BE'd, you can talk to then calmly, logically and not even disrespect them, yet still get BE'd because they "claim your a threat" in whatever way they have already concocted in their head.Ive seen it happen many times.

Ill tell you how its simple to not get BE'd, you simply stay away from them.I treat commanders like they are a new player on the frontline with a slug loaded shotgun and hes aiming at the head because he thinks its probably the best thing to do.Do you stay around that marine and potentially get your own head decapped accidentally by that player? No, you get the fuck away from him and stay the fuck away.

That example is accidental, with a commander hes deheading you on purpose, which gives you even more reason to stay the fuck away and pretend like hes got a transmittable disease.Right?

Besides commanders are usually in their CIC ivory tower playing with their willy "RP'ing", and if they come down to play on the frontline, dont be around them directly once again, if you fire just one bullet near them or into them, under the rules thats all it takes for them to legally blow your frigging head off and end your round.Let alone anything lesser.No thanks.

Ill play over here thank you very much mister commander, you stay over there and die for all i care.Ill choose when i die, not you.

[Karmac]

You dont even have to go full on CAPS retard in the commanders general direction to get BE'd, you can talk to then calmly, logically and not even disrespect them, yet still get BE'd because they "claim" your a threat in whatever way they have already concocted in their head.Ive seen it happen many times.

Ill tell you how its simple to not get BE'd, you simply stay away from them.I treat commanders like they are a new player on the frontline with a slug loaded shotgun and hes aiming at the head because he thinks its probably the best thing to do.Do you stay around that marine and potentially get your own head decapped accidentally by that player? No, you get the fuck away from him and stay the fuck away.

That example is accidental, with a commander hes deheading you on purpose, which gives you even more reason to stay the fuck away and pretend like hes got a transmittable disease.Right?

Besides commanders are usually in their CIC ivory tower playing with their willy "RP'ing", and if they come down to play on the frontline, dont be around them directly once again, if you fire just one bullet near them or into them, under the rules thats all it takes for them to legally blow your frigging head off and end your round.No thanks.

Ill play over here thank you very much mister commander, you stay over there and die for all i care.Ill choose when i die, not you.

weak man

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

weak man

Ohhhhhhhh reeeally? But you cant explain why.

Roger that.

[Karmac]

this nigga eatin beans in the trenches

hidin from CO's because he ain't got b a l l s

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Hahahahah, its a game of survival, im not like you and are happy to "RP" my characters head being blown off for the smallest of reasons by another player, but hey! You can keep doing that and observe whilst i continue on through the rest of the round.

I might be in the trenches, but your laying dead for no reason, rendered useless.

Sucker.

[Karmac]

the goal of all life is death

if your playing cm to live you're putting too much faith in how fun the game is

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

the goal of all life is death

if your playing cm to live you're putting too much faith in how fun the game is

No shit, quite obviously.

My fun is surviving a round until its end, by whatever means possible.I dont need faith to achieve that, faith has nothing to do with it.Thats just what i enjoy doing, surviving.

If you dont, thats fine, thats your fun.But its not mine and i wont be forced into enjoying death just because others do.

[Steelpoint]

The trick is to put yourself into more and more dangerous situations and see if you can survive them.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

The trick is to put yourself into more and more dangerous situations and see if you can survive them.

That is definitely apart of it yeah, and i do that myself half the time, fully agree.You do put yourself out there to see if you survive, but getting a commander to BE you whether you deserve it or not isnt my definition of a challenge.

[Build_R_]

CM Survival Mode: Say good morning to the commander.