Battlefield Executions topic

[Bancrose]

From Apops word himself. It is also to stop people who are fucking with you. I'm going to listen to Abob on that one.

[Jakkkk]

It is entirely fine to BE a marine going up to you, calling you a soyboy then dabbing.

[DriedMilk]

From Apops word himself. It is also to stop people who are fucking with you. I'm going to listen to Abob on that one.

[Frans_Feiffer]

From Apops word himself. It is also to stop people who are fucking with you. I'm going to listen to Abob on that one.

Heinz, you should’ve BE’d me when I was staring at the “booger” hanging from your nose man if that’s the case. To be honest though, if someone’s fucking with you they should see ot coming depending on the severity.

[Bancrose]

Heinz, you should’ve BE’d me when I was staring at the “booger” hanging from your nose man if that’s the case. To be honest though, if someone’s fucking with you they should see ot coming depending on the severity.

Bro I had a runny nose. But what I meant by that is like people stealing your shit, doing like extra extra lrp memey shit. Which you could ahelp but like....you have an IC tool to stop shitters with.

[Frans_Feiffer]

Bro I had a runny nose. But what I meant by that is like people stealing your shit, doing like extra extra lrp memey shit. Which you could ahelp but like....you have an IC tool to stop shitters with.

Glad I caught it before someone else did my man. And aye, I agree with you. Most of the time too if you ahelped you’d be told either it’s an IC issue, or that you have an IC tool to deal with it. Staff’s there to resolve issues that can’t be solved ICly, or that break rules if it begins to hinder others round, so hopping on something like that would be redundant unless they were harming people by what they were doing. Regardless though, why let them continue causing an issue and being lrp/shitters when you have a tool to stop that kind’ve behavior in the first place?

[taketheshot56]

From Apops word himself. It is also to stop people who are fucking with you. I'm going to listen to Abob on that one.

[Dolth]

To all of you nerds backing up Apop saying it is fine.

Apop had rule 0.
You do not.

Shoot someone that dabs with you is doing two wrongs, and that doesn't make a right.
If you do that. It -IS- low RP and it IS against the CO guidelines which IS supposed to follow High RP standards.

You ass kissers.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Shoot someone that dabs with you is doing two wrongs, and that doesn't make a right.

Admins instagib you for *dab just saying

[Dolth]

Admins instagib you for *dab just saying

Rule 0.

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Admins (not Mentors or Mods) retain the authority to ignore the enforcement of specific rules at their discretion when they feel it is in the best interest of the current round, the server, or the player base at large. However, they are fully accountable for their actions when they exercise this privilege.

Pretty much the answer. Also I am pretty sure that's BS. I'll *dab and we'll see.

[Pedr007]

BE for CO only is a shit rule. Id like to see it extended to XOs during mutinies

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Pretty much the answer. Also I am pretty sure that's BS. I'll *dab and we'll see.

If you do a dab emote you will get ahelp reported so fast, and it's considered netspeak memery/LRP. Admins/Mangers have instagibbed people for it and then bwoinked them with a note/ban.
But I agree a CO should not be doing a BE because someone does a dab emote. But I think the problem is most players know how much the dabbing is hated and want to be overzealous and take matters into their own hands.

[Dolth]

If you do a dab emote you will get ahelp reported so fast, and it's considered netspeak memery/LRP. Admins/Mangers have instagibbed people for it and then bwoinked them with a note/ban.
But I agree a CO should not be doing a BE because someone does a dab emote. But I think the problem is most players know how much the dabbing is hated and want to be overzealous and take matters into their own hands.

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Nani!!! Also gratz you got me to shitpost on my own serious thread.

[Bancrose]

To all of you nerds backing up Apop saying it is fine.

Apop had rule 0.
You do not.

Shoot someone that dabs with you is doing two wrongs, and that doesn't make a right.
If you do that. It -IS- low RP and it IS against the CO guidelines which IS supposed to follow High RP standards.

You ass kissers.

Hollup, Thats toxic Dolth. I was referring to people stealing your shit or breaking into your office, etc.

[Dolth]

I don't know what you're talking about but regardless I stated my points earlier. Most shennanigans can be dealt OOCly, rightfully, with the rules. Rest can be dealt IC and unless they are threatened you/carrying real dangerous malicious intent, issuing a BE is just low RP.

[Frans_Feiffer]

I don't know what you're talking about but regardless I stated my points earlier. Most shennanigans can be dealt OOCly, rightfully, with the rules. Rest can be dealt IC and unless they are threatened you/carrying real dangerous malicious intent, issuing a BE is just low RP.

They probably could, but you have to realize that staffs rule of thumb is to keep things IC as best as possible, and leave it to be solved there first, before dealing with it OOCly. A BE is an IC way to solve an IC issue, so long as you follow our rules regarding BEs. It’s like that because we’d rather the round run smoothly and without OOC intervention on every little thing that happens in a given round.

[Dolth]

They probably could, but you have to realize that staffs rule of thumb is to keep things IC as best as possible, and leave it to be solved there first, before dealing with it OOCly. A BE is an IC way to solve an IC issue, so long as you follow our rules regarding BEs. It’s like that because we’d rather the round run smoothly and without OOC intervention on every little thing that happens in a given round.

Oof, sir you've brought the first valid argument in this thread since I opened it.
Fair enough, that works for shenanigans and such but how do you explain people faovrizing BE over a demote/permabrig?

As a XO last round a MT ran in and said 'helo' (Thanks Boris, that truely was an amazing moment) through announcement.
He eventually got caught after assaulting, insubordinating, neglect of duty and the CMP somehow found even worse, leading the poor sob to hurt himself in perma. The CO and the CMP both wanted him executed. All good, right? Not a BE, just a regular execution.

I told them there was no fucking reason to murder out someone that went dumb enough to harm himself and acting like a retard, the lad was restrained at most, AKA handcuffed on a bed in a lockdowned area, and I am pretty sure he got straightjacketted to avoid him hurting himself. Sadly we got boarded while I was dealing with this (CIC was under-staffed), but HC would of been contacted, asking them to fire that dude for the next shift.

My point is, this is another BE-matter example where BE is NOT necessary and in this approximative situation most CO would BE the MT, or anyone close to their action while, regarding RP, it's LOW STANDARD to just execute someone who's being an ass, disrespectful, not doing his job or badly. Lemme say it again, killing someone when you easily can restrain/brig/demote them IS ITSELF LOW RP and should NOT meet a BE as CO needs to uphold HIGH RP standard.

*Drops the mic*

[Frans_Feiffer]

Favoring a BE over demote/perma isn’t against any rules, nor does it bother me. Yes, it’s not always the favorable solution, but look at it from these perspectives:

As CO, by the way the rule is worded, you just caught your subordinate doing something that is considered a threat to the ship. I’m not gonna make a specific example, but he just did a threat to the ship. Do you demote/perma them, despite it being unnecessary, or do you BE them, and prevent any further action being taken to harm your ship? If you go the demote/perma route, if you don’t have an MP standing over them, it takes time to get one to you, and in that time you have to get him on the ground and prevent him from escaping. No matter how robust you are, there’s always a chance for them to harm you, or escape just cause to an extent it boils down to RNG to ensure they’re not going anywhere. I don’t know about you, but losing the CO or hearing they lost a fight can be DEVESTATING to a crew, both by morale, and by losing leadership to guide them through that round. And as CO, you need that respect, else no one listens to you, and the round becomes a shitshow. So why give them the chance to cause issues later in the game for the marines, or stay alive after doing a threat?

Not only that, but either way, they’re still taken out of the game. If you demote/perma the man, they’re stick in a cell and can’t go anywhere, so unless an MPs watching them 24/7, they’re left with nothing to do, and no reason to be in the game in the first place. If you BE them, they may be out of the game, but they have Dchat, and observing that they can do until the round ends, and honestly a good few people I know, including myself would prefer that over rotting in a cell.

What i’m trying to say is, yes it’s not ideal to be shot dead by your commander, but if you’re doing something that warrants it, You better not be upset when it comes knockin’. And to the point of it being lowrp, that’s kinda silly to me. go watch sci-fi or look into some good ol’ history, you’ll find quite a few examples of Captains or Commanders BEing those under them to either prove a point, or deal with those that are harmful to keep alive.

[Frans_Feiffer]

Sorry for the long ass responses. I’m not too good at just getting to the point without at least some filler, or without rambling on a tad.

[Renomaki]

When you really think about it...

As logical as it would be to simply toss an idiot into the brig and be done with it, the reality is that it would probably be better TO blow their brains out. After all, if there is one thing people hate in this game, it is being tossed into a tiny room with nothing to do but ramble to themselves or SSD.

Sure, a BE sucks, but dead people have a chance to respawn as an alien or an ERT member, and also get to view the whole map and see what is going on while discussing the round with fellow ghosts. And if a predator is around, no doubt some people are going to spend some ghost time watching it roam around to see what it does.

But if your CO decides to be more merciful and put you in a dank cell as punishment? All you get are four walls to interact with, maybe a pen and pencil to write letters to yourself, and if you are lucky, an MP that may or may not shoot the shit with you while you are spending time in the brig for god knows how long? Chances are, most players would go insane from boredom, and resort to SSDing to escape their dull, lonely situation.

Marines already jump through hoops and are willing to KILL MPS to avoid spending 5 minutes in the brig, can you imagine how they would feel about getting a perma sentence?

I do agree, again, that BEs should be reserved for serious violations and not be so quickly reached for when you could simply use marine law to punish a marine. But at the same time, even if it would make for slightly better RP, being tossed in the clink and forced to sit there until the xenos arrive? I think people would prefer the low RP option than a high RP option.

But that is just me trying to guess what the bulk of the community wants.

[Frans_Feiffer]

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When you really think about it...

As logical as it would be to simply toss an idiot into the brig and be done with it, the reality is that it would probably be better TO blow their brains out. After all, if there is one thing people hate in this game, it is being tossed into a tiny room with nothing to do but ramble to themselves or SSD.

Sure, a BE sucks, but dead people have a chance to respawn as an alien or an ERT member, and also get to view the whole map and see what is going on while discussing the round with fellow ghosts. And if a predator is around, no doubt some people are going to spend some ghost time watching it roam around to see what it does.

But if your CO decides to be more merciful and put you in a dank cell as punishment? All you get are four walls to interact with, maybe a pen and pencil to write letters to yourself, and if you are lucky, an MP that may or may not shoot the shit with you while you are spending time in the brig for god knows how long? Chances are, most players would go insane from boredom, and resort to SSDing to escape their dull, lonely situation.

Marines already jump through hoops and are willing to KILL MPS to avoid spending 5 minutes in the brig, can you imagine how they would feel about getting a perma sentence?

I do agree, again, that BEs should be reserved for serious violations and not be so quickly reached for when you could simply use marine law to punish a marine. But at the same time, even if it would make for slightly better RP, being tossed in the clink and forced to sit there until the xenos arrive? I think people would prefer the low RP option than a high RP option.

But that is just me trying to guess what the bulk of the community wants.

Reno said it a lot better then I ever could. Hopefully that and my response give you an idea as to where we’re coming from.

[Build_R_]

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I would really prefer being brigged for 20-30 minutes instead of being completely removed from the round, sure you're bored for a little while but at least when you DO get out of the brig you have something to do. This is of course different in the case of a permabrigging but a lot of BE's wouldn't occur in the case of a perma from what I've seen. It might not be a majority opinion but I enjoy the four walls, pen and paper, MPs and being able to talk on the radio when simply flying around and talking to other dead people is the alternative.

I guess you could respawn as a xeno or ERT member but if I truly wanted to be a xeno I'd usually go for it at roundstart and if I'm going for ERT then I'm going to be waiting the entire round anyways, effectively the same as being perma'd and now respawning is up to chance.

I understand a BE to avoid giving them the hassle of the brig system if they would be heading for a perma but if it's 20-30 minutes I think that the potential BE recipient could and probably would prefer the brig.

[Dolth]

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Reno said it a lot better then I ever could. Hopefully that and my response give you an idea as to where we’re coming from.

I partially agree with what he said but there are three points you need to understand.

1. For the 10th time, according to high RP standards, you are not going to blow off someone's head because they are an idiot.
2. You're being permabrigged? You probably deserved it through your actions. Lot of people never ever had interactions with MP and still play at their ease. (And that's really, really NOT my case).
3. I rarely witnessed a marine "jump through hoops" and kill a MP to avoid a 5 minute jail, and if they would do so, you're free to ahelp and get a aheal and ontop of that, you will help staff cleanse the community from that toxic player (or just very, very new, but in the end you'll help him learn).