Escaping xeno bellies

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Escaping xeno bellies

Post by wrpen » 01 Aug 2018, 04:46

In light of the recent update that, afaik, gave marines back the ability to burst out of xenos at the cost of a limb and, afaik, at no detriment to the xeno besides having to gurgitate them again (reregurgitate?), does anyone actually know why the manual bursting was removed in the first place?

I've seen a few people mention it, but I haven't seen anyone explain the exact negatives.

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Post by Szunti » 01 Aug 2018, 05:26

I just guess, but
  1. eating was useless. They could either get their knife out and kill you or was already in crit when you ate them and probably died in your stomach. Back then xenos always warned others not to swallow the tallhosts.
  2. xenos need a way to securely bring a host back and the two way that was considered are swallowing or unbreakable grips. Because grips are instant, that would be terrible, think about T1 army running in after screech and all neutralizing a marine with a single click. Instead of reworking grip, devs decided to buff the useless swallow.
Xenos still can't eat you if your mates are protecting you. I was only swallowed a couple of times and each time I was vulnerable, they could do whatever they want with me. So in my experience, it doesn't really matter.

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Post by NethIafins » 01 Aug 2018, 05:46

Because before it was easier to kill survivors than to get a chance to lose entire squad of runners
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Post by Slduggy » 01 Aug 2018, 07:17

Back in the day (when you had to have a brain to play xeno and getting captures were earned) the popular method of obtaining captures was to snatch a marine, drag them onto a nearby egg, and while they were unconscious in your stomach (due to the hugger neurotoxin)get them to hive. This took coordination between drones and the ambush castes and the creation of forward hives etc.

Obviously this was too hard for xeno players and thus now you are unable to escape xeno bellies.
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Post by jrodvon » 01 Aug 2018, 07:33

Idk how people get their knives out when they are inside an aliens belly. Idk how you would even cut the alien to being with.

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Post by Grubstank » 01 Aug 2018, 10:21

jrodvon wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 07:33
Idk how people get their knives out when they are inside an aliens belly. Idk how you would even cut the alien to being with.
They "fixed" devouring so that being eaten while you're stunned keeps you permastunned (completely removing your agency over your character)
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Post by Royal Griffon » 01 Aug 2018, 18:12

You know they did bring back the knives to escape a xeno like a month ago I think
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Re: Escaping xeno bellies

Post by Aestel » 01 Aug 2018, 19:46

Grubstank wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 10:21
They "fixed" devouring so that being eaten while you're stunned keeps you permastunned (completely removing your agency over your character)
Basically the second you are hugged, you are dead to rights. Can't escape nests because sentinels never miss AND you are stunned for three seconds after BREAKING out, can't escape stomach because perma-stunned. Can't escape T3s because of anti-body block slowing you to a crawl.

Xeno hand holding really needs to stop, or the devs really need to actually play the fucking game before making balance changes.
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Re: Escaping xeno bellies

Post by Casany » 01 Aug 2018, 20:20

Aestel wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 19:46
Basically the second you are hugged, you are dead to rights. Can't escape nests because sentinels never miss AND you are stunned for three seconds after BREAKING out, can't escape stomach because perma-stunned. Can't escape T3s because of anti-body block slowing you to a crawl.

Xeno hand holding really needs to stop, or the devs really need to actually play the fucking game before making balance changes.
Devs are too busy changing major parts of the game to play the game.

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Post by BobatNight » 01 Aug 2018, 20:32

wrpen wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 04:46
In light of the recent update that, afaik, gave marines back the ability to burst out of xenos at the cost of a limb and, afaik, at no detriment to the xeno besides having to gurgitate them again (reregurgitate?), does anyone actually know why the manual bursting was removed in the first place?

I've seen a few people mention it, but I haven't seen anyone explain the exact negatives.
You don't lose a limb anymore and it will just spit you out randomly.
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Post by CABAL » 02 Aug 2018, 05:23

Xenomains who devour are just VORE Servers players who wanted their own combat server with enough baldies to swallow. Nobody cares about marines, nerfs for them and handholding buffs for xenos serve this one purpose: For degenerates to play with one hand and "play" with another. With the illusion that this is real "military combat" server to catch greytidies like flies.

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Re: Escaping xeno bellies

Post by spookydonut » 02 Aug 2018, 10:36

I removed limb dissolving because it made things worse. Now xenos have a minute to move a marine before the marine escapes with stuns cleared.

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