Survivor Rules: Thor's trial

[BluntForce420]

Remember that time Ripley went into the hive by herself and was gonna fuck it up but the admins bwoinked her

[Casany]

1. Larva should not try to go up to the Almayer. This (almost) never works and is plain suicide. (if you die while trying this you risk a jobban.)
2. A doctor cannot replace a patient their organs with artificial ones if they are fine. (Even if the player consents to it.)
3. You cannot put the corpses of marines, xeno's or monkeys on the lz so the dropship gibs them when it comes down.
4. You cannot turncoat/pretend to be from/dress up like another faction to kill people from that faction.
5. Only the person who is actively getting a BE can directly intervene. (Unless the rest starts a mutiny about it.)
6. If you are being griefed you should ahelp and not fire back.
7. Another player cannot order you to violate server rules.
8. A (c)mp cannot get another player to break marine law as their proxy. (Mp's can break marine law but that might be changed again. The cmp cannot still.)
9. You cannot use binoculars in the tank to fire further.
10. Friendly xeno's is not ok.
11. You cannot make your hive on the lz.
12. You should not play to lose. (ex. first deployment at 12:50.)
13. Messing with telecoms by changing the settings on machines is forbidden. (Idk if it is still so was always the case.)
14. You should not lie against staff.
15. Doxxing other players or staff gets you a punishment.
16. Preds cannot toggle their self destruct to save themselves from xeno's. (Also not sure on the exact ruling. Or if it was still a rule.)
17. Donator items should not be used by players other then the donator.
18. You cannot attack/delimb nested infected hosts without the explicit permission from the queen.
19. The queen should not straight up order xeno's to suicide.
20. You are responsible for what happens on your account. The fact that someone else did it on your ckey means nothing to us.

1, 3, 6, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18,

All of those are/have been in the rules before (Except for DOXing but that was actually in the rules in 2k16 sometime so)

Scratching those, you have a bunch of rules that aren't needed because they are common sense, correct.

There are VERY FEW rules that I think at least should be added, but the one's I DO think should be added are usually the ones most people get in trouble for I.E this. Hell, this rule is the ONLY rule I want added in because the rest were addressed by mechanics. You can't address this with mechanics though.

I'll be honest it has been about a month since I've checked the rules, but if I remember correctly all the ones I listed are still in the rules as examples or actual rules. Shouldn't you know this as a mod?

[Herac]

Imagine a judge jailing people for failing to have enough common sense as to know what they're doing is a crime even though it's not written in the Penal Code.

Ignorantia juris non excusat (ignorance is not an excuse) is actually a well established legal principle, and the legal code of most contries is actually so complicated that people break the law all the time even though they don't realise it. If a case gets brought before a judge where the defendants only excuse is they didn't know they were breaking the law the judge kinda has to enforce it and punish them, even if the defendant really didn't know at all.

[Dauntasa]

9. You cannot use binoculars in the tank to fire further.

When I ahelped about this I was specifically told that it was okay, so, not very consistent.

[awan]

1, 3, 6, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18,

All of those are/have been in the rules before (Except for DOXing but that was actually in the rules in 2k16 sometime so)

Scratching those, you have a bunch of rules that aren't needed because they are common sense, correct.

There are VERY FEW rules that I think at least should be added, but the one's I DO think should be added are usually the ones most people get in trouble for I.E this. Hell, this rule is the ONLY rule I want added in because the rest were addressed by mechanics. You can't address this with mechanics though.

I'll be honest it has been about a month since I've checked the rules, but if I remember correctly all the ones I listed are still in the rules as examples or actual rules. Shouldn't you know this as a mod?

Then check the rules again.
wiki/Rules
Most stuff here is not listed. And what you say is common sense people still disagree on. I gave 20 situations because all of those people seem to think it is ok to do so.
Some will fight to hell as to why it is ok although almost none are.

[awan]

When I ahelped about this I was specifically told that it was okay, so, not very consistent.

There is a module specifically to fire further.
I am not a dev but I am quite sure that being able to use a bino is a bug and thus it is bug abuse.
But I'll just wait for a dev to come in and say that.

[Dauntasa]

There is a module specifically to fire further.
I am not a dev but I am quite sure that being able to use a bino is a bug and thus it is bug abuse.
But I'll just wait for a dev to come in and say that.

That's what I thought, too, but the other TC was insisting I do it so I ahelped and was told it was fine.

[davidofmk771]

Remember that time Ripley went into the hive by herself and was gonna fuck it up but the admins bwoinked her

She kept nadespamming the queen in ovi, total bullshit.

[Loco52]

Ignorantia juris non excusat (ignorance is not an excuse) is actually a well established legal principle, and the legal code of most contries is actually so complicated that people break the law all the time even though they don't realise it. If a case gets brought before a judge where the defendants only excuse is they didn't know they were breaking the law the judge kinda has to enforce it and punish them, even if the defendant really didn't know at all.

Dude ignorance is not an excuse when you break a law tipified in the legal code. If it's not explicitly written it's not illegal.

[Herac]

Dude ignorance is not an excuse when you break a law tipified in the legal code. If it's not explicitly written it's not illegal.

Honestly I agree that all the rules should be written down, however we've seen that CM has unwritten rules, and some of these unwritten rules exist for good reasons and need to be enforced. It's not fair to ban people for rules they can't know exist but as we've seen Grim say most people just get a warning and a note which then only results in a ban if they do it again, now they know the rule exists.

You've got to make the best of every situation and that seems like the only fair way to deal with people breaking unwritten rules. Warn them so they know it exists and then take action if they do it again.

I still think tthis rule should be written down though.

[Combine]

It first seems very silly to ban for that - but only so if you look at it from a general perspective and also do not mind gameplay at all.

If the person or a person literally runs to the known spots of wildlife or the hive to kill it might seem like pure "meta game" and trying to win the game, not so much playing a potentially scared and disadvantaged survivor. I'd aim for common ground and situational judgement. If you know how the alien stuff works and come across a suitable animal host, it should be fine to hide or kill it. If you don't run around and try to kill them all, I wouldn't really punish it if it's restricted to relatively "very few".

This would still let Xenos keep their "livestock" more or less, while giving survivors the option to somewhat damage or hinder the aliens early on. I wasn't survivor often but so far my subjective experience is you cannot withstand against the hive, you are usually busy patching yourself up and then finding the right gear and others. At that time or shortly after aliens are evolved a bit at least and you can't really "win" against them.

TL;DR: My suggestion, aim for a compromise that caters to gameplay to both factions: Allow killing a few they might come across, but not allow survivors to systematically hunt them all down? Gameplay is vital, but I also personally find it vital to keep the lore or situational aspects in mind.

E: Unwritten rules like that should in my book not result in a ban. Ok, was only temporary and you won't die for not playing CM a day. But it would be smoother to just warn players and refer to that expectation, and then eventually add it. That's my general stance for this case when it is also unwritten. You have to potentially always consider unique aspects, players involved, maybe previous warnings, etc, of course. I'm personally a friend of 'deescalation' and starting with the mildest measures available if it can fix a situation.

[Loco52]

Honestly I agree that all the rules should be written down, however we've seen that CM has unwritten rules, and some of these unwritten rules exist for good reasons and need to be enforced. It's not fair to ban people for rules they can't know exist but as we've seen Grim say most people just get a warning and a note which then only results in a ban if they do it again, now they know the rule exists.

You've got to make the best of every situation and that seems like the only fair way to deal with people breaking unwritten rules. Warn them so they know it exists and then take action if they do it again.

I still think tthis rule should be written down though.

Problem here is that it depends on the admin.

I was once OUTRIGHT BANNED without a warning for pushing someone in alamo that was pushing me. And in the notes you can read "he was warned beforehand" , outright lie but who's gonna prove him wrong?

pd: it was feweh

[Emeraldblood]

I realize this is kinda old but this has been brought up to me so I'll wrap this up with a post regarding it. First off, yes, killing monkeys have never been allowed. People call it stupid but literally survivors would just go around and kill as many monkeys as possible just to fuck over Xeno, no other reason. This rule is a perfect example of why we'd never be able to have nice things so while it may seem annoying to some people, it helps keep things better for everyone. I'll update it in Rules Clarification Thread (http://www.cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=18431) so it's officially written down.