Troubling Trend in Battlefield Executions

[Renomaki]

I want command to listen to the SL and to communicate better not to make it easy for them to OB. There should be a difference between good and bad command felt by the marines.

The key to better communication is to have more information to work with as a whole.

Alien queens have it quite easy compared to COs, because they have a very easy to use "overwatch" system that even has a zoom feature, allowing her to see what her xeno's CAN'T see, allowing her to warm them of possible flanks and other threats. She can see all and then some, and thus it makes leading her hive a lot easier. It also helps that there isn't as much text spam as a CO with 4 comms active at once, so she can read and give orders more easily.

Human COs don't have it as simple. They have a tactical map which gives them very basic positioning information, 4 overwatch computers that he has to wrangle from the SO just so he can see what a marine in a particular squad is doing or what a small part of the field looks like in detail, has to deal with a clusterfuck of marines screaming conflicting information in his ears to the point that sometimes he can barely make out what is going on due to how fast the text scrolls, and just the general fact that he has to juggle so much to get the smallest thing done makes for a very stressful.

I know the CO isn't supposed to do everything, but sometimes I wish he had a special "super overwatch" computer of his own so he can easily jump from one marine to the next, has a sort of zoom feature of its own so he can see more, a more detailed tactical map, and whatever other stats he can track to keep things nice and orderly.

[Sora9567]

Hopefully with the CO rework it gives COs more tools to provide more support for marines in the field. That super overwatch computer sounds interesting as long as only the CO is able to use it.

[solidfury7]

Military Police buff would be great so they can actually deal with marines.

I was nearly beat to death by Delta for arresting a simple PFC and the squad leader was helping them. Only reason I survived was admins told Delta to stop in OOC.

We didn't have enough MPs to deal with the situation (MPs a dead role) and the only two of us do not have the kit to deal with a nearly a full squad. By the marines returned shipside, not one offending marine was left alive.

Basically, they nearly beat to death an MP to stop a valid arrest and they got off without even a hint of punishment.

This has been a huge issue for the longest time. Its why BEs exist. MPs are either non existent or just woefully unequipped to deal with any real issues.

Either implement some OOC rules, buff MPs or randomise squads to stop this stupid shit.

This is a medium roleplay server, you may just come here to shoot things but you're expected to follow to the standards of the rest of the community. Fix this issue and I'm sure COs and MPs will in a better spot.

[Urytion]

There's really no incentive for me to follow commands. I usually do because roleplay unless they're pants on head retarded, but let's be real honest, why should I? MPs to the ground will get lynched, COs coming to the ground for a BE will get mutinied, and if the order goes south I'm out of the round and I really don't enjoy playing xenos so I likely won't re enter until the round is over. And since I'm robust enough enough of a coward to never fight, I'll likely stay alive until the end of the op on the ground. And pretty much nobody arrests after an evac. The motivation of "I am soldier that is my commander I do what he says" should be enough, but it isn't.

Implementing OOC rules would be a clusterfuck. Marines have a very good reason to not charge aliens. Hardened marines or not, aliens would be fucking terrifying, especially say 20 of them coming through the fog across a river spitting acid and roaring. Squad randomisation won't fix anything. All that will happen is people will trade headsets or just go without to unga dunga with their metabuddies.

The answer is clear. Warhammer 40K style commissars. Obviously.

[Renomaki]

The answer is clear. Warhammer 40K style commissars. Obviously.

Fast Fact: We had events that involved those back in the Feweh days. Most of them ended up dead at the hands of the marines they led.

Honestly, I always wanted to try my hand at being a commissar myself, to see if I could rally the men with less gun waving and more PURPLE PROSE AND YELLING. You know, try to RP them to me rather than shoot them. But even then I wouldn't be surprised if it failed.

BEs themselves are a worthless system to enforce your command over others, since all it does it create metagrudges and resentment more than instills fear into marines watching. In real life, it is better to be feared than loved, but in CM-13, a CO who is loved by his men has more influence than that who they fear.

Carson is an infamous example, a living meme that, despite being known as a backstabbing traitor who would abandon his men the moment things go dire, his history with the server has resulted in people (almost) obeying his every word without complaint, some worshiping the very ground he walks on simply because he is DA MEME IN DA FLESH. UNGA GOD INCARNATE. And keep in mind, he has just as many people who despise him as those who love him, and yet still they will follow him to the ends of the earth, simply because of the insane hijinx that occur whenever he takes charge.

Hell, he is so popular that it could be assumed that people ENJOY being executed by him, such as the time when he BEd more than 8 marines in a single round, simply for making fun of him... Something they did knowing the outcome of such an action. Let that sink in...

[Swagile]

Fast Fact: We had events that involved those back in the Feweh days. Most of them ended up dead at the hands of the marines they led.

Honestly, I always wanted to try my hand at being a commissar myself, to see if I could rally the men with less gun waving and more PURPLE PROSE AND YELLING. You know, try to RP them to me rather than shoot them. But even then I wouldn't be surprised if it failed.

BEs themselves are a worthless system to enforce your command over others, since all it does it create metagrudges and resentment more than instills fear into marines watching. In real life, it is better to be feared than loved, but in CM-13, a CO who is loved by his men has more influence than that who they fear.

Carson is an infamous example, a living meme that, despite being known as a backstabbing traitor who would abandon his men the moment things go dire, his history with the server has resulted in people (almost) obeying his every word without complaint, some worshiping the very ground he walks on simply because he is DA MEME IN DA FLESH. UNGA GOD INCARNATE. And keep in mind, he has just as many people who despise him as those who love him, and yet still they will follow him to the ends of the earth, simply because of the insane hijinx that occur whenever he takes charge.

Hell, he is so popular that it could be assumed that people ENJOY being executed by him, such as the time when he BEd more than 8 marines in a single round, simply for making fun of him... Something they did knowing the outcome of such an action. Let that sink in...

well duh, when he get admins literally admin busing him on half the time he does shit, people follow him simply because of rounds being more interesting when admins start smashing buttons

bill carson provides a alternative to the usual "15 min brief, drop, get ambushed, attack, get pushed back, almayer defense, end" that is most of the games, and after being a meme and doing it long enough, people listened

the same reason why people listened to Brett Tedrow back when i mained him as CO; id constantly do meme's like LZ-2 FOB's (most CO's at the time were obsessed with always following the usual patterns) and after a few successful tries at this (and sometimes admin intervention such as a round where Feweh gave us a nuke and the nuke codes at LZ-2 South jungle and let us blow ourselves up), people were more receptive to meme's, which culminated into things like Iron Bear defenses and the infamous mutiny rounds

its why meme CO's are so much more fun to play; being an ACTUAL CO who tries is boring as fuck and is almost never supported either by marines or by admins, whereas being a meme gets at least a few squads listening and/or admin intervention

CO rework won't fix that unless MP's and CO's are given actual tools to enact authority like they're supposed to have. the queen can de-evolve; an ACTUAL deterrent. the CO can only BE; which requires a LOT more effort than de-evolve and doesn't deter the marines at large; it just gives them a reason to mutiny.

[Mann handle]

I'd also like to pitch in that quite a lot of the blame can be landed on the community on the whole. Heck the number of BE's is going down from what I can tell. Most of it comes down to preconception of how a round will play out. Going by that delta story has inspired me to break it down a little. It's going to be dry so read on because I don't do tl;dr.

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When it comes to squad set up people currently have the idea that squads go like this

Alpha - Balds; new to a role they wanted to try, sometimes packs an extremely robust crew only for them to be PB'd by some bald. The safe bet for this squad is to do the FOB duty as it would be a nice way to break people in.
Bravo - Not robust enough to earn a name; lacks the memes that charlie and delta have, cowards, has technical competence most of the time. The safe bet is to place them on FOB duty on the 'harder' rounds and have alpha to Tcomms or some other shit instead. These men can make a push early on but don't rely on them. A jack of all trades but is weighted more towards defenses and support roles.
Charlie- Robust; Charlie breakfast, some memes, has very skilled people play their roles properly, creative, mature enough to do FOB once a year. Safe bet is this squad can be placed anywhere bar FOB which then you just need a little persuasion to motivate them.
Delta - Unga prime and his followers rally to this squad, it's a cult; robust as fuck on average, medics actually know how to heal people to a high level of technicality, loose cannons, LRP memesters, highly aggressive frontliners, depending on the commander they will either love or hate them, HATES FOB roles or anything that has them stand around and dribble, high reputation for winning rounds, used by commanders to finish shit quickly, will actively seek trouble and danger regardless of orders or squad ties. Safe bet for orders are anything that's aggressive and will kill them off early.

Players will see this and select one of these squads to suit their style of play. They have in their mind that command will give out the roles to the squads based around these assumptions and you see how bad things get when you step on the assumptions people have. obviously these assumptions have changed over time, once alpha was the snowflake squad of robustos and bravo was the basic bitch FOB squad that couldn't work out how guns fired half the time.

Changing players mind sets is next to impossible without motivation and that does somewhat land on command's shoulders as it is their job to assign squads in regards to their abilities, this does mean some cookie cutter shit but that's the system. Command has one very useful tool however, flexibility. Every plan I've drawn up has levels of flexibility in it that allows me to amend things as people respond to the round or my orders. People don't like sitting in the FOB all day? send up a fire team. People got their asses handed to them and most of them are walking wounded? have them rotate with the FOB squad until they are up to strength. Little things like this go a long way, heck if you're in charge your role is to focus on the marco rather than the micro, leave the micro shit to your SL and SOs. Think of this as football manager or tard wrangling.

Now onto the next part, your SO's. They come under a few extremes.

The basic (the virgin SO / Vanilla / "how many drops have you been on?" - These guys are normally either new or cut and dry players who'd rather focus on the operation, winning it preferably.
The micro manager - A pain in the arse for some but these people tend to have a grip on the squad, however, make sure they actually respond to the commander.
The demoralizing - A bane for a populist commander, these people will demoralize a squad due to the squad's own stupidity for the most part. They will lump high risk orders on men and will often demand things be done holding people to ransom via insub charges.
The Nice guy - A populist's commander has a best friend here. These are the ones who will break their backs to help their squad, even at the detriment of others inadvertently.
The Lazy - Often shifts initiative onto his CO or his SL. Can do the job but would rather others do the thinking for him so he can focus on information relaying if he's any good.

Working out which LT is any one of these extremes comes from a lot of experience and squads will respond better if your tactics match the LT and the squad. Sticking delta on FOB with a demoralizer as an SO will lead to hostility. Place a nice guy with them and delta won't make an FOB. So working this puzzle out is hard as fuck and that's forgetting the hardest part! the squad!

Squads are often mixed with all manners of players. Way too many to list so like I've done before I'll simplify it a little.
Marines are rated along grades that dictate what you'd expect from the player in a normal round.

(1) How new they are
(2) How 'smart' (technical know how they have)
(3) How well known they are
(4) How robust they are
(5) How adaptable they are
(6) How mature (disciplined) they are
(7) RP standards
(8) Leadership qualities
(9) Management qualities
(10) META KNOWLEDGE (who's an admin and who's a memer. What works and what doesn't)
(11) and last but not least, Popularity.

When you get to roles within the squads like medics for instance. One looks for 1, 2 and 9. For Smart gunners it's 4, 5 and maybe a little from 1 and 9. Squad Specs have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 and a little from 11. Engineers are all about 2, 5, 6, 9 and 10
Squad leaders are most of these but I'll list them, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11. (well shit SL is ranked on everything). Your basic marine is simply 1, 4, 5 and 6.

Now for command, most of the time you only need to care for the SL and Spec as they are often the people you actually need to listen to. But it's a good idea to know that a squad leader who has next to no discipline with a reputation for aggression will most likely ignore your orders to make the FOB. Depending on factors such as popularity and 'fame' you might see his squad either go with them or completely ignore him. Working out what you can do with your squads on the frontlines of the squad is also part of the job.

Summing up the whole separation of the player base on a basic level is that if you try and force people to play a certain way you will receive blowback. Sometimes it's completely unwarranted but you do tread on a minefield when you give delta the FOB or when you give alpha the spearpoint when the squad has a lot of new players in it. I Feel like command needs to have a little more flexibility when it comes to squad assignments because not one commander can get everyone to be happy in a round because catering to everyone is impossible. But here's the twist the squads themselves shoulder a lot of the blame for shit rounds and BE's being used. Most SL's and squaddies will simply throw their arms into the air and completely stop playing the round and will go out of their way to meme and bring some fun in for themselves. This should be expanded upon.

Squad leadership mostly leadership in general
Marines are lead by the SL and most SL's will come under the same branch as the SO's so I'll skip that and offer idea's based on when I started SL and moved with it a little. When I started playing SL I often got lumped with alpha so that was a lot of FOB rounds for me to set up, when I first started playing I went Bravo medic after the second round because FOB duty was also a good way to learn medical and not die instantly due to hugger combat. Getting bored of this I decided on splitting my squad up and sending them off to patrol down the supply routes (think hydro road). This gave the FOB squad something to actually do rather than wait till they either win, or die when the xenos are too strong. This also later transferred into my command strategies when I twiddled with XO. Getting creative and making a grand plan is nice and all but actually INVOLVE ALL SQUADS with these plans, heck by doing this and being a little flexible you can even get delta to do FOB duties with ease because if you're being fair and offering things like rotations, not many people can reasonably argue against it. This goes for all elements of command but mostly CO and SL's.

Now I will admit that the MP's power is a joke and I've seen MPs die due to them getting punched to death for arresting a marine. This doesn't happen often and an admin will normally sort it out but the fact remains that MP's lack not equipment but NUMBERS, skill and motivation, (most MP rounds are boring as fuck to play), to actually sort out shitty marines who are not listening. BE's are a NICE tool but the mutiny chances are extreme for the large amount of effort you need to put in. So at the moment you need to be charismatic and nice to people because that's the only way you'll be able to wrangle the tards.

If you read all this congratulations. You're as bored as I was when I typed this out. What I'm trying to say is that there is no increase to BEs but rather a more NOTICEABLE one. These come about due to players being extremely shit and meming around. The round becomes more noticeable due to how shit it was and how shit the players of a squad was. This just leads to a memorable meltdown in a typical Dwarven style. All because people don't want to be flexible and expect others to cater to them. Marines and commanders alike.

[Bancrose]

I don't have to BE as much, Because people have just stopped trying to bait them or have stopped being retarded in front of me.

I have also just stopped caring.

Because at the end of the day its just a game. Commanders just think they can enforce their rule like the old Heinz. But times have changed.

Just earn your respect and admiration from your Marines and show them respect as well. You will never again have to use the Mateba on them.

And if these BE's keep happening....We'll just have to keep removing whitelists.

[Swagile]

admins gotta figure out what they want

do they want med rip, or lrp

because im cool with either, but this issue of wanting to be both has been a problem as a CO

if you try to RP, you get mutinied and/or ignored 90% of the time unless your a meme or your RP is supported by a admin

in the reverse, being a LRP meme commander is more fun, that cares less about RP, but then you got admins harping on your for being LRP, since CO is supposed to be a RP role

make up your minds; thats the first step. then move in the direction you want

[adrenalinetooth]

Commanding as a queen is so much more fun because people are bound to listen to you by rule. You can order a xeno to follow a strategy that will most likely lead to their death and no one complains, they just follow their orders. There is no whining, mutinies, or gudges. People simply follow the rules.

With commanders however, marines are given the power to revolt without serious repercussion. It's disgusting how much it happens because of 'suicidal' or 'stupid' orders. They are your commanding officer, you listen no matter how stupid. Why can't marine players be like xeno players who just follow orders and accept death if it's what the queen needs for the hive to survive?

Marines are supposed to be soldiers that have made it through basic training, a course designed to break you down and make you follow orders from superiors in a split second. To have so many marines acting childish and going against simple orders is disgusting behaviour. Sure, military personnel can and will deny orders, but such trained individuals would not do it en masse as current marine players do. It would take some serious provoking to have trained personnel react like that, and even then everyone else will be telling you to get back in line. You simply wouldn't pass basic training with that mentality.

[Griffith78]

I have been concerned about this as well, just recently I saw a CO BE some marine in CiC when the Alamo was about to crash because he tried to use an overwatch machine.

I certainly look forward to them being held to a higher standard.

[DriedMilk]

You fellas should really start player reporting shitty BEs. The council will make sure to deal with it properly.

That said though, try not be a fucking retard with the CO.

[lurkermain]

Commanding as a queen is so much more fun because people are bound to listen to you by rule. You can order a xeno to follow a strategy that will most likely lead to their death and no one complains, they just follow their orders. There is no whining, mutinies, or gudges. People simply follow the rules.

With commanders however, marines are given the power to revolt without serious repercussion. It's disgusting how much it happens because of 'suicidal' or 'stupid' orders. They are your commanding officer, you listen no matter how stupid. Why can't marine players be like xeno players who just follow orders and accept death if it's what the queen needs for the hive to survive?

Marines are supposed to be soldiers that have made it through basic training, a course designed to break you down and make you follow orders from superiors in a split second. To have so many marines acting childish and going against simple orders is disgusting behaviour. Sure, military personnel can and will deny orders, but such trained individuals would not do it en masse as current marine players do. It would take some serious provoking to have trained personnel react like that, and even then everyone else will be telling you to get back in line. You simply wouldn't pass basic training with that mentality.

Bad queens running the hive into the ground without anything holding them back is one of the xeno weaknesses. At least with so many people in CiC, one of them might have some brains and pick up the slack

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

To add into that, a micromanaging queen is also a great source of complaints from the Xeno side, but the only reason why they don't do shit about it is that "Xeno mutiny" is mostly dead and gone aside from very VERY extreme cases.

Remember that we're playing a game, a 2d autism spessman game nonetheless, not an actual military. Live and let live, give and take. Don't try to force your shit onto the other side, and vice versa.

Also remember that while these are trained marines, they're still humans, with interests/worries/opinions/thoughts of their own. On the xeno side, it's a collective hivemind, with their only purpose being for the betterment of the hive.

[RobBrown4PM]

A number of problematic CO's have been removed as of late. I imagine this will cut down on the BE shenanigans.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

It's a two way street as well, people really need to stop baiting BEs, because we're not gonna fall for it.

[MattAtlas]

its not hard to not get BE'd lol

just dont do dumb shit in front of the CO or call them a soyboy. go planetside and banter all you want

if you get baited into a BE report it and you're gonna be the one BEing their whitelist

[Enigmachine]

Someone please tell or show me where this License To LRP that squad roles apparently get can be found, 'cause I've been missing out.

Seriously though, IRL Airmen First Class would NEVER do the kind of shit squad roles here have been doing, like what happened to Solid. 'Cause if they did, not only would the retribution be fierce, their fellow servicemen wouldn't have their backs. Not because IRL MP's are hulks, but because people with that kind of attitude get filtered the fuck out WAY before getting anywhere near a combat zone. Furthermore, unlike here, IRL military people think about what is gonna become of them AFTER the op. Here, you can pull shit that'd get someone DD'd (Dishonorably Discharged) like it's no biggie because you meta-know that you'll get to start fresh on the next round and behave like a sociopathic narcissist all over again.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Seriously though, IRL Airmen First Class would NEVER do the kind of shit squad roles here have been doing, like what happened to Solid. 'Cause if they did, not only would the retribution be fierce, their fellow servicemen wouldn't have their backs. Not because IRL MP's are hulks, but because people with that kind of attitude get filtered the fuck out WAY before getting anywhere near a combat zone. Furthermore, unlike here, IRL military people think about what is gonna become of them AFTER the op. Here, you can pull shit that'd get someone DD'd (Dishonorably Discharged) like it's no biggie because you meta-know that you'll get to start fresh on the next round and behave like a sociopathic narcissist all over again.

It's a videogame and most of our player base is in their late teens and early adulthood and not been a member of a military or para-military organization.

[Swagile]

Someone please tell or show me where this License To LRP that squad roles apparently get can be found, 'cause I've been missing out.

Seriously though, IRL Airmen First Class would NEVER do the kind of shit squad roles here have been doing, like what happened to Solid. 'Cause if they did, not only would the retribution be fierce, their fellow servicemen wouldn't have their backs. Not because IRL MP's are hulks, but because people with that kind of attitude get filtered the fuck out WAY before getting anywhere near a combat zone. Furthermore, unlike here, IRL military people think about what is gonna become of them AFTER the op. Here, you can pull shit that'd get someone DD'd (Dishonorably Discharged) like it's no biggie because you meta-know that you'll get to start fresh on the next round and behave like a sociopathic narcissist all over again.

BE'd a guy like this who constantly baited MP's and BE's every round, and ended in a massive mutiny

y'all harping on CO's, but just know that BE is given to us for exactly these types of people, and as long as they aren't dealt with by admins, CO's will continue to BE them

[Brotemis]

I feel like I'm preaching to the choir when I say, but I feel like a lot of issues concerning orders is from Delta. God forbid you give them FOB duty. I don't like the idea of established squads for things because it would only serve to extrapolate the issue of lowrp shenanigans that end up with a mutiny, BE, or both. It's getting to the point where it's going to be easier to adminhelp this behavior (like attacking mp's for making a valid arrest on the ship) rather than deal with it in game because it is a consistently Delta that I feel like issues are happening with as well

[Enigmachine]

It's a videogame and most of our player base is in their late teens and early adulthood and not been a member of a military or para-military organization.

Well there you go ladies and gentlemen.

[Vispain]

Then there are the moments you get actually baited into BEs...

Like the time I didn't BE a marine for throwing an egg in my face... and he said on Delta comms later that he expected a BE...

I tried getting my MPs to deal with him, but as usual they were both incompetent and mostly unresponsive...
A sad state really for MPs.

Long story short, if that happens again under the same circumstances it'll be a BE instead of a calm, rational call to the MPs after the initial situation is over.

Another point I'll bring up is how MPs almost blatantly refuse to arrest people for insubordination. Most MPs, even when given the reason, will prove to be unable to grasp the concept and question the order. Some are so stupid as to ask for "proof" when the act occurs right in front of them. This "proof" is a key catchphrase because a Command Ordered Arrest without proof can equal a false arrest charge...


Take this following example,
I ordered the arrest of a marine for Insubordination and trespassing as he insulted me and was near my office hacking doors. This occurred in front of the very same MP who arrested him. As he was arresting him, he requested the PROOF of the insult and trespassing... completely idiotic. Furthermore, even after I gave him the proof even stated how that wasn't enough and how I had ten minutes to bring proof. I DID end up resolving this issue by getting the CE who was also there to give the "proof" via a testimony.
Several things wrong with this situation:
1. The MP requested proof for an arrest when the ACTUAL MATERIAL and VERBAL evidence had occured in front of him. Considering most insub cases occur over comms or in person where MPs CAN NOT hear... it's sad the MPs would rather go for a False Arrest charge then to do their job.

2. He wouldn't accept the fact the proof was in front of him, or my word (this bit I can understand, but not the first fact).

3. I had to get proof of the arrest. Me. The aCO. You know. The one in command with obligations.

"Should the Commander, Executive Officer, a Staff Officer or the acting Commander order an arrest for a crime, MPs MUST arrest that person unless the CMP overrides the order. They may arrest and hold that person for ten minutes while they gather evidence. Should the suspect be declared innocent of all accused crimes, the requesting officer may incur a Prevarication charge. The time for any crimes the suspect committed as a result of the arrest must still be served, however."

Note. When it says they, the underlined bit refers to the MPs.

In short, the MPs wanted the current commander of an active operation to go and gather evidence, themself, in ten minutes for a crime that had occured in front of a MP.

It is THAT sort of bull that you end up having to deal with... provided you are lucky enough to get the standard level of incompetance from the MP Department.

[CABAL]

-snip

Easy to explain why this is happening. MP's are waiting for big game. Arrest a PFC? So what? Nobody cares. Arrest Commander? CHAD MILITARY POLICE.

[Vispain]

Easy to explain why this is happening. MP's are waiting for big game. Arrest a PFC? So what? Nobody cares. Arrest Commander? CHAD MILITARY POLICE.

Another note to mention is,

"...the requesting officer may incur a Prevarication charge"

Generally, in the case of Commanders and other officers this will generally happen. While I accept and actually agree with Commanders and XO's being held to a higher standard... if you are baiting and actively failing to do your job fully for the sake of a Prevarication charge you are not doing your job right.

Just the other day I was a MP and this similiar situation happened involving a SO. Now, ironically, this was after the point I had been talking in forums...

How did I, a arresting MP, react as well as the CMP?
We put the marine in detainment for the ten minutes, tried getting some evidence of any sort via the marine, the SO, and Charlie comms (accused's squad) and failed. In the end, due to knowledge that something DID occur between the Officer and marine( but we couldn't determine fully what), it was decided the marine would be let go and the SO wouldn't be given a prevarication charge. Just a warning.

Long story short, we didn't jump the gun and conducted ourselves with a calm, collected manner from the arrest to the investigation to the end result of determining if a prevarication charge was needed.

Some details on the situation that happened in this case for context:
- SO claimed to have been threatened by this marine.
- SO was vague and evasive
- SO had thrown his squad into " a hellhole"
- SO acted like he was trying to curry favor with me and was erratic.
- The Accused Marine was cooperative
- The Accused Marine WANTED to be taken out of action and given a reprieve after such harsh combat
- The Accused Marine had been injured when countermanding orders of the SO to continue attacking, proving the SO had a uncaring feeling for his men or was ignorant at times.
- The Accused Marine's statement of what happened was similiar to the SOs, but instead of a threat, they claim they had merely been telling the SO how he might be "lynched".

- Fact finding via the squad's radio resulted in nothing. This was vital as there was no material evidence, witnesses, or transcripts of the discussions on comms.