Yautja Honor Code: What you may have missed

[Evilkyle24]

Things Yautja under the code are forbidden from doing that you may have missed.

Yautja cannot kill a Larva. Larva are incapable of fighting at all, and are therefore are protected under rule one and rule 12.

Yautja can likewise SHOULD not use weapons on unarmed humans, and use their fists instead to equal the fight. This is up to their discretion.

Yautja SHOULD not cloak when fighting at all, even when downed. This is dishonorable as it technically violates rule 5. The purpose of fighting uncloaked is to allow the prey a fighting chance. Turning invisible the moment you are knocked off your feet defeats the point of the rule unless you do so to escape. Cloaking in the middle of a battle only to reappear moments later is toeing the line of rule 5.

[Tetsip]

I agree with all of this. These are very gray rule areas so I've seen all of this happen several times. this thread desperately needs to be stickies or copy/pasted into the honor code.

[Feweh]

I've seen a couple of predators do this so far.

Especially the cloaking part.

However, all that becomes void when fighting multiple targets. Unless, you started off fighting multiple from the beginning.

[Tetsip]

I've seen a couple of predators do this so far.

Especially the cloaking part.

However, all that becomes void when fighting multiple targets. Unless, you started off fighting multiple from the beginning.

Not true. It does not become void at all. If you wind up fighting multiple targets then you must still fight honorable. You MAY cloak in order to escape and attempt to reacquire your prey and kill them, but you cannot fight dishonorably just because things tipped out of your favor.

Humans are pack fighters, predators know this. Reinforcements is what can make humans and xenos all the more dangerous, and a predator has to be SMART enough to back off when in a fight that has lost favor in order to reassess and reacquire his prey.

[Feweh]

Not true. It does not become void at all. If you wind up fighting multiple targets then you must still fight honorable. You MAY cloak in order to escape and attempt to reacquire your prey and kill them, but you cannot fight dishonorably just because things tipped out of your favor.

Humans are pack fighters, predators know this. Reinforcements is what can make humans and xenos all the more dangerous, and a predator has to be SMART enough to back off when in a fight that has lost favor in order to reassess and reacquire his prey.

Right, in not way am I saying a Predator should open fire with a plasma cannon just because 2 other marines show up. Not sure if that's what you thought I men't?

However, Humans are considered some of the most dishonorable prey the Yautja ever fight. In the movies and even comics/books it's common to see the Yautja blasting away at the humans with their cannons. This is also canon to the first and second predator movies... especially the first one.

[UnknownMurder]

I've seen a couple of predators do this so far.

Especially the cloaking part.

However, all that becomes void when fighting multiple targets. Unless, you started off fighting multiple from the beginning.

Abby's scolding some staffs who does these. I don't plan to be a predator until I get used to this Alpha. You know what I'm saying? I've been predator twice, I was okay. I was only lacking in combat, not RP.

[Tetsip]

Right, in not way am I saying a Predator should open fire with a plasma cannon just because 2 other marines show up. Not sure if that's what you thought I men't?

However, Humans are considered some of the most dishonorable prey the Yaujta ever fight. In the movies and even comics/books it's common to see the Yaujta blasting away at the humans with their cannons. This is also canon to the first and second predator movies... especially the first one.

Oh no it sounded like you said the Yajuta could start using cloak tactics in combat with multiple humans. No, the predator must retreat and acknowledge all the humans that got involved as prey in the future, and scale his use of weapons accordingly. Say around 4 marines get involved, he'll start using his plasma cannon.

However, in no way, shape, or form would a Yajuta start going in and out of cloak or dare attack while cloaked.

[Felkvir]

Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja*


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That is all.

[Tetsip]

Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja*


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That is all.

I saw my mistakes, refused to correct them. Too lazy, kept making it. You win.

[coroneljones]

Pretty sure the larvas dont fit under those rules
They are mostly pests.......apop has said that before,the pests part.

[Tetsip]

Pretty sure the larvas dont fit under those rules
They are mostly pests.......apop has said that before,the pests part.

That's what he was trying to say. Larva are not worthy prey or capable of defending themselves, therefore predators should not bother with them.

[coroneljones]

That's what he was trying to say. Larva are not worthy prey or capable of defending themselves, therefore predators should not bother with them.

He actually said it during an ahelp after one was killed,explaining its death i belive

[Kilm]

Working to the canon and all is great, but ultimately the canon was 'Predator' in 1988 and that motherfucker kept his cloak on pretty much throughout. We should have an option for Marines to smear ourselves in mud and run about nude!

Did you know the original predator was going to be an eight foot stick insect? The original footage is great - would've been a totally different film.

[Evilkyle24]

Working to the canon and all is great, but ultimately the canon was 'Predator' in 1988 and that motherfucker kept his cloak on pretty much throughout. We should have an option for Marines to smear ourselves in mud and run about nude!

Did you know the original predator was going to be an eight foot stick insect? The original footage is great - would've been a totally different film.

He was also gonna have a sword, but it kept getting caught on the back of his head.

Anyway, the predators did use their cloaking in the movies to attack people, which is bullshit. Sneaky fuck probably thought he wouldn't get caught.

[Evilkyle24]

Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja* Yautja*


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That is all.

... oops. Fixed.

[Felkvir]

He was also gonna have a sword, but it kept getting caught on the back of his head.

Anyway, the predators did use their cloaking in the movies to attack people, which is bullshit. Sneaky fuck probably thought he wouldn't get caught.

This has been talked about on other forums, and the general agreement made was that different clans have different versions of the honor code. So ... I'm not exactly sure if anyone knows where that 'killing while cloaked is dishonorable' thing came from. First two movies yautja all made kills cloaked, and a majority of games/media revolving around preds also involve just killing a bunch of humans while cloaked. The bad thing about cloaking in the sense of ss13 is that the players can easily just use it whenever in combat to take advantage (and it has to be sort of used like that anyways, unless you want to be shot a few times, get slowed down from the pain/shock/broken bones etc and then get overrun by bloodthirsty 2d spehss muhreens)

So yeah, no.

[Feweh]

Honor code and engagement for marines needs to be rethought for marines. As stated, marines are considered the most dishonorable opposition by Yaujta.

They travel in packs and use ranged weapons. Which is why they get blasted often in the movies.

We should have a group discussion regarding honor code and engagement rules for predators. Perhaps on skype sometime... as of right now Marines are beast for killing predators.

[Lostmixup]

The honor code that apop wrote up is a guideline on how to act, step out of line too much and risk getting your pred rights taken away. The point of the code is to make sure preds aren't just using whatever the fuck they want to destroy all the marines and aliens, because let's be honest, they could do that if they were allowed to.

[Feweh]

The honor code that apop wrote up is a guideline on how to act, step out of line too much and risk getting your pred rights taken away. The point of the code is to make sure preds aren't just using whatever the fuck they want to destroy all the marines and aliens, because let's be honest, they could do that if they were allowed to.

Right of course, but there's also some obvious glaring issues and grey areas that need to be cleared up.

The biggest issue with fighting Marines is the ranged combat. I've played Predator and the marines are by far the biggest threat to the Pred's, not the Aliens.

Simply because one thing... the guns. For a honorable kill, you want to fight the marines with weapons.. the problem is any smart marine is going to kite and run a Predator. By that I mean shoot and run away from the Predator. This means the Predator takes quite a bit of damage while chasing after the Marine.... Trust me, this is happening a lot now that the Marines have figured out the Predators, heck when I'm a marine I do it.

See in the comics/books, movies and video games the Predators don't really de-cloak to fight marines... They don't shoot them with Plasma blasters while cloaked, but they sneak up on them in cloak and attack them with their wrist blades/glaives.

This is a logical tactic to fight against a enemy who is using Ranged weapons, even the Yautja wouldn't de-cloak infront of a Marine and chase after them with their wrist blades... they'd be blasted in two seconds flat.

The biggest thing that a lot of people need to realize is that the Marines are not honorable prey and are not the main "hunt", the aliens are the main hunt. The humans/marines are just side distractions that are simply a nuisance. A predator shouldn't actively hunt a Marine unless he's seen him kill a Alien or he has stolen Yautja technology.

The issue with CM is Byond...The marines can blindly fire in 8 Dimensional grid and hit the Predators easily causing them to de-cloak AND if you are paying attention... it's easy to spot them cloaked as well.

I've read the books/comics, seen all the movies and played all the video games. It doesn't make sense that the Yautja are treating the Marines as honorable prey. Meaning the Honor code doesn't apply to the Marines as much as it does to the Aliens. Yautja view technology as a needed source, but don't see it as honorable to fight with.. which is why they have a code of honor and actually "Respect" the Aliens to a degree, granting them Honor.

The marines are the polar opposite, the Marines see technology as needed source to fight, everything they use to kill is based around technology. This is why in the comics/books the Humans are rarely granted anything related to Honor.. because Humans don't have honor. Which is why in the movies, comics and video games they get blasted by Plasma Cannons and attacked while the hunter is cloaked.

My point being is that Yautja aren't stupid, they'd never de-cloak in front of a opponent who is going to shoot at them. The issue right now for Predators and why they're getting destroyed by Marines is because as of right now where supposed to De-cloak and engage following the Honor Code.. which quickly ends with 10 bullets into the Predator before they make contact.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Predators should actively hunt Humans... they should follow a game balance and help balance the game out appropriately. All I'm saying is, the Humans are dishonorable and they aren't given the Yautja Honor Code unless the circumstances differ.

Honestly, if anything the Aliens shouldn't even be considered prey till they are minimum Tier2 and Tier3. There is NOTHING alien's can do to Predators at Tier1, especially Drones and Runners. One of the biggest problem's right now is how Predators destroy Aliens early game, it essentially cripples their hive start and causes Marine's to have a great advantage early on.

I know a lot of you will say Predators are already OP they can kill anyone they want. YES, you're right they are over-powered and COULD do that.. but anyone playing Predator right now won't ever do that, we follow the Honor code to the best of our ability. I can confidently say that I've killed more marines as a Alien Runner/Hunter than I have as a Predator. I know it's difficult to understand my point of view when you haven't played Predator, but the mechanics are very favorable for Marines against Predators... (If the Predator is a good RPer and isn't murder-boning).

[Evilkyle24]

I see a predator as a marine, I'm challenging it to fisticuffs.
Sure, I'll probably lose, but I'll lose like a MAN.

[Feweh]

One good comparison that I forgot to mention is that Humans are considered Hunting Sport for Predators. It's like going outside in the forest and shooting a bear... sure the bear COULD harm you and it's not completely defenseless.. but at the end of the day you still have a gun.

Same principle with the Yautja hunting Humans.. they hunt them for fun and for sport.

Predator 1 the Yautja hunts the Humans simply for sport and for fun. He's stuck on the planet and has nothing else to do.. he's not there for honorable killing.. he hunts them for fun.

Predator 2 is the same concept... the Yautja there is on Earth to hunt for fun.. he's not getting anything special out of it, there's no ritual or promotion involved.

Alien VS Predator, the Humans are there simply to become Alien's and as side nuisances.. they aren't at all hunted honorably and infact are engaged by cloaked Yautja on multiple occasions. The Predators are there for the Aliens and that's it... which is the same concept as our CM map.

Humans to Predators are simply a sporting game, they aren't honorable kills.

[Evilkyle24]

I'm still challenging the predator to fisticuffs.

[Surrealistik]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8DekFFCE5c

[Felkvir]

And everything that Pink said.



Done.

[Tetsip]

Problem is, if we authorize humans as sport-hunting and release humans from honor code protection I'm worried we may have to worry about human murderboning in the future when alpha releases and players get whitelisted.