Spec weapons suddenly nerfed.

[Mitchs98]

So, found out at the end of last round that the smartgun has been nerfed dramatically to point of near uselessness. The literal only use for it would be the thermal optic at it's current status. At the end of last round I fired it a bit, helped people kill an alien. I noticed it firing slow as shit, thought maybe it was lag. At the end when the shuttles docked, I ran a few tests firing at a wall. It fires /insanely/ slow, with or without the barrel charger. It is now entirely worthless to get, honestly. Even with the 'very slightly' more damage.

Also found out you can no longer attach a barrel charger to the scoped rifle, so there is yet another random nerf to spec weapons. What's next, the B18 having 10% higher damage protection than standard armor? 2 Facehugger protection? No tri-cord injectors? Honestly, it's more like the nerfs were geared towards making you choose one of the explosives or the B18 armor when running spec. Sure, the sniper rifle wasn't hit as hard as the smartgun, but it's still no where near as useful.

Thoughts and opinions welcome.

[apophis775]

What are you talking about?

We haven't published an update in like, 4 days.

[Mitchs98]

What are you talking about?

We haven't published an update in like, 4 days.

The barrel charger no longer fits on the sniper rifle and the smartgun fires slow as shit now. Either some other update fucked it, or I dunno. But it's now impossible to rapid fire the smartgun or attach a charger to a sniper rifle.

[Releasing]

This only applies if the spec weapon nerf was intentional. I believe the spec weapons were suddenly nerfed to give the aliens a higher fighting chance. I remember seeing a topic about the marines winning far more rounds than the aliens, not sure if that still applies. If marine spec weapon effectiveness was reduced, then it must be because something was unbalanced. I'm not sure, the admins and game designers know far more about this and why it happened than I do, this is just my unbiased point of view on it.

But my biased opinion is that the spec weapon shouldn't have been nerfed, especially two of the most popular choices. If the smart-gun and scope rifle have been reduced to near nothing in usefulness, then whats the point of a spec besides the armor/explosives? Some players don't prefer those choices, including me. This is coming from a player that mainly plays as a marine, so an alien-focused player opinion would be nice and maybe open up my mind more.

[apophis775]

Sorry, 3 days since our last code change.

I am getting MORE THAN A LITTLE TIRED of people bitching about nerfs that aren't happening. I mean, the smartgun hasn't had any code changes, in at least 26 days (the last time the file was changed, which didn't affect the smartgun)

[apophis775]

In fact, the last modification to the smarten, was when it was adjusted from straight "damage" to giving it Armor Pen, back in August.

[apophis775]

As far as the barrel charger not fitting on the Sniper rifle, that's silliness, it's clearly still allowed:

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/obj/item/attachable/heavy_barrel
	name = "barrel charger"
	desc = "A fitted barrel extender that goes on the muzzle, with a small shaped charge that propels a bullet much faster.\nGreatly increases projectile damage at the cost of accuracy and firing speed."
	slot = "muzzle"
	icon_state = "hbarrel"
	accuracy_mod = -40
	ranged_dmg_mod = 140
	delay_mod = 2
	guns_allowed = list(/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/automatic/m41,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/shotgun/pump/m37,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/m4a3,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/automatic/m39,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/m44m,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/M42C,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/M56_Smartgun

[apophis775]

I'll also point out, that we NEVER nerf or buff things, without leaving NOTES in the update log.

[johners12345]

As far as the barrel charger not fitting on the Sniper rifle, that's silliness, it's clearly still allowed:

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/obj/item/attachable/heavy_barrel
	name = "barrel charger"
	desc = "A fitted barrel extender that goes on the muzzle, with a small shaped charge that propels a bullet much faster.\nGreatly increases projectile damage at the cost of accuracy and firing speed."
	slot = "muzzle"
	icon_state = "hbarrel"
	accuracy_mod = -40
	ranged_dmg_mod = 140
	delay_mod = 2
	guns_allowed = list(/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/automatic/m41,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/shotgun/pump/m37,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/m4a3,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/automatic/m39,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/m44m,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/M42C,
					/obj/item/weapon/gun/projectile/M56_Smartgun

The code is messed up than, I've tried it before and it wouldn't allow me.

[apophis775]

I'll check it out tonight then, but according to the code, it's not prohibited.

[apophis775]

Looks like it doesn't fit on. I'll look more into the code.

Personally, I don't think attachments should go onto spec weapons anyway.

[Mitchs98]

Looks like it doesn't fit on. I'll look more into the code.

Personally, I don't think attachments should go onto spec weapons anyway.

The Smartgun fire rate is also MUCH slower than it was a few days ago, slower than an M4 in-fact. Look into that as well, please.

[apophis775]

I checked, it hasn't been adjusted.

Nothing on the smartgun has changed, in over a month that I can see.

[apophis775]

Seems fine to me. YEs, it's slower than an M41, but the M41 is like, the second fastest gun in the game.

[Mycroft Macarthur]

is it possible that some other code conflict could be occurring of which none of the dev team is aware that could be responsible for this issue? or perhaps there could be lag which is only affecting very specific portions of the game as opposed to everything?

[apophis775]

It could be lag. I tested it, it seems to be firing same as it did since we buffed the damage last month.

[Kreydis]

It could be lag. I tested it, it seems to be firing same as it did since we buffed the damage last month.

I'll confirm you on this one. Anyone with a (somehow) low frame rate will fire slower because the clicks you send won't register. And it also multiplies by lag. Now if you don't have any of these problems, then it's client side/mouse. Also I believe that barrel charger slows down the firing rate slightly so if you have that on, don't be surprised.

[snow5445]

Wat about BC on sniper?