Aliens crippling infected.

[Mitchs98]

Right..this honestly needs to be stopped. Aliens are infecting people then slashing their hands/legs/feet/arms/head AFTER infecting them, just so they can do jack of shit to escape and so they don't have to play the part of the game that consists of them watching hosts. Most of the time, they put you into deep pain crit you don't have a chance of recovering from or cut your foot/entire leg off so the option of escape is not even there, nor can you do anything but resist out and get lel tackled without a chance to do..anything. This is even moreso with the checkerboard nest patterns. It makes absolutely no sense that an alien would harm and put a hosts life in danger UNTILL they broke out and started shooting/knifing every alien in sight.

This is a very bad problem and I'm not the only one that's been complaining about it, there are multiple threads in fact. You may say the Queen can have slashing set to only when needed, but they rarely do, and you can slash infected freely on permitted. There needs to be a rule in play about this, while it may make the game funner/easier for aliens, it definitely doesn't for marines. It in-fact ruins game-play at that point because you can do literally nothing. You may say you're not meant to escape, and you're not, but there is no reason to ensure that.

[Dyne]

The current rule allows harming infected if they can be a threat, seems simple enough.
P.S. I'd be ok with marines bleeding out faster, if you cut a foot, say.

[coroneljones]

Xenos are NOT allowed to harm infected hosts unless they are a danger to the hive,AKA escapes and damages the hive or simmilar

[Mitchs98]

The current rule allows harming infected if they can be a threat, seems simple enough.

Dyne, that's different than this altogether. The aliens are literally harming them BEFORE the 'infected' symbol appears while the facehugger is on them to circumvent the rule of 'don't harm infected unless they become a threat'. Loop hole is loop hole, and a very bad one at that.

[Mitchs98]

Xenos are NOT allowed to harm infected hosts unless they are a danger to the hive,AKA escapes and damages the hive or simmilar

You say this, but infection takes a bit, and they're doing it BEFORE you actually get fully infected with the hugger to circumvent the rule as I told Dyne. I'm aware of that rule, but there are pretty obvious ways around it, and the xenos are using it.

[Dyne]

SO they are hurting hugged but not infected? Thats new.
Maybe some spankings must happen.

[Mitchs98]

SO they are hurting hugged but not infected? Thats new.
Maybe some spankings must happen.

Mhm..they hug them, then cut them to shit to circumvent the new no harm rule, then stop once they're 'infected' and nested. Happened to me yesterday and today.

[RadiantFlash]

My issue, is aliens using a single hugger to knock people out, then cutting off the hugged's head, getting the hugger back and repeating said process.

[Dyne]

Woah. I missed a lot of alien exploits while busy with real life.

[coroneljones]

My issue, is aliens using a single hugger to knock people out, then cutting off the hugged's head, getting the hugger back and repeating said process.

Sadly,according to apop,this is legit

[bustered1]

Personally I don't really care that aliens are "crippling" you EDIT: while hugged but not infected. If you're in the hive generally you're not getting out. And if you have such a problem with getting put into crit just succumb. You got captured that's that. Wait till you burst try to escape, generally you won't, try to kill something (fastest way to get killed in the hive). I'd say just make a suggestion for nerfing the hugger if it's that big of an issue.

[Dyne]

Sadly,according to apop,this is legit

Ehm. Ok then. A tough combo- jump on marine, hug him/her, cut off its head (while you as a runner/hunter cant run away but can attack)- gg.

[Releasing]

I approve that disabling with a facehugger then killing is viable, but only if they ayyliens are on the Sulaco or obviously out-number the marines. It sucks when it happens to you, but it makes sense. Senseless hugger-disable killing (such as killing a lone host that was immediately hugged but not infected thirty minutes into the round) isn't right in role-play terms and shouldn't be allowed, but that's just my two-cents on the facehugger-disable topic.
Nerfing the hugger? I don't think there are many ways the hugger can be nerfed, it only has one role and that can't be changed much in any way. I think there's already a chance to pull it off your face RIGHT after you're hugged, I think there's that chance but I'm not quite sure. That's nerf enough.

[WyattH]

How to stop aliens from disabling you to keep you alive?

Succumb

Host deny them and they'll see it won't work longterm

[Mitchs98]

You can't succumb from pain crit, only actual crit, which they rarely put you in.

[Inaf]

See no problem.

[Mitchs98]

Honestly beginning to think most of the people that have no problem with this are aliens that do it/main alien..

[Toroic]

Honestly beginning to think most of the people that have no problem with this are aliens that do it/main alien..

I feel like most of the posts about this are from you specifically, but generally from marines who think that they should be allowed to get out consistently after being hugged and nested, and potentially even kill a xeno in the process.

I personally always play xeno, and generally avoid crippling infected hosts, but I also didn't play during the rebalancing week where guns were extremely deadly. Had I played then I probably would've crippled limbs or simply killed difficult hosts.

Ultimately, if aliens are given harsher rules marines will either have more elaborate nests or will simply be killed outright more often.

If elaborate nests are leading to suicides/xeno harm/other host harm, then more marines will outright die.

[Dyne]

Saw an ayylium cut off feet of two infected today. Reported her, sure.
Still, there is a whole alien caste dedicated to watching nested hosts... Maiming just feels too cheap.

[Mitchs98]

Saw an ayylium cut off feet of two infected today. Reported her, sure.
Still, there is a whole alien caste dedicated to watching nested hosts... Maiming just feels too cheap.

This is entirely my point, station sentinels or drones for the jobs they are supposed to be doing instead of taking gameplay away from marines and saying 'git gud'. Contrary to belief I rarely suicide as a marine, nor do I try to fuck up the hive. My goal is getting my ass and my ass out alone UNLESS there is a good chance I can rescue people, I'm not gunna cut through checkerboard nests to get to people sorry guys.

Not to mention it makes NO sense they'd slash up marines before they prove a threat after infection.

[RadiantFlash]

This is entirely my point, station sentinels or drones for the jobs they are supposed to be doing instead of taking gameplay away from marines and saying 'git gud'. Contrary to belief I rarely suicide as a marine, nor do I try to fuck up the hive. My goal is getting my ass and my ass out alone UNLESS there is a good chance I can rescue people, I'm not gunna cut through checkerboard nests to get to people sorry guys.

Not to mention it makes NO sense they'd slash up marines before they prove a threat after infection.

Just want to point out, that watching the infected is basically the sentinels job until the hive is assaulted. They guard the hive. That includes watching it's prisoners.

[Mitchs98]

Just want to point out, that watching the infected is basically the sentinels job until the hive is assaulted. They guard the hive. That includes watching it's prisoners.

That's my point. The sentinels should be guarding the hive instead of aliens slashing marines into uselessness that they can't even succumb from, it ruins gameplay for marines.

[Voldirs]

I see nothing against aliens ripping host's limbs off if they got out of the nest at least once. If such thing didnt happens, aliens have no reason to harm the host.

Also, I got one situation like 2 weeks ago. I was a drone guarding 4 hosts alone. They constantly got out of the nest to make some shitty things like like cutting through the doors, unbuckling other hosts, shooting me. After some time, one host bursted, other one blown his head off, 2 remained. I babysited them for like 20 minutes, them always doing shit and near killing me. I evolved to carrier at last and went on the frontline, leaving those hosts in paincrit. I was frustrated by this long-time babysiting, so I understand why players just toss host's limbs on spot.

[Inaf]

Voldirs has a point. Babysiting is extremely boring and frustrating and "ruins gameplay" for aliens.

Honestly beginning to think most of the people that have no problem with this are aliens that do it/main alien..

It seems that you play aliens a little. That is why you cannot say whay aliens should do and what should not.

MAYBE, there should be some more succumb options added, since CM is not a hard-rp server like Bay and marines get into hopeless situations much more often.

[Mitchs98]

Voldirs has a point. Babysiting is extremely boring and frustrating and "ruins gameplay" for aliens. It seems that you play aliens a little. That is why you cannot say whay aliens should do and what should not.

MAYBE, there should be some more succumb options added, since CM is not a hard-rp server like Bay and marines get into hopeless situations much more often.

THat's a poor reason, I also play aliens quite regularly. So..yea.