Enforcing uniform rules

[Dyne]

Ok, every day I see a marine in a clown suit, scavenged armor, cardboard helmet etc-etc.
And no, it doesnt have any feasible IC reason.
Please give them warnings and bans (repeat offenders) accordingly on a daily basis until they learn or are gone.
End of line.

[Mitchs98]

Agreed. I'm tired of my squad members when I'm SL branching off to 'be the chef' and going around in chef garb and staying in the kitchen refusing to follow orders...

[Ogard]

we have much more serious things to worry about, but thanks for the suggestion.

[johners12345]

we have much more serious things to worry about, but thanks for the suggestion.

Let me stop ya right there Ogard.

Warning Ex-staff Rant incoming

Actually the higher-up Staff do. You and other mentors and moderators Do not. Unless you are taking a major part in the updates and such. Following staff are to basically do this.


moderators- uphold the rules. Provide service to the Players and answer questions if Mentors or other Moderators are unable to.

Mentors- Answer Questions. Bring issues of importance in the game to a currently online Moderator if possible.

Unless Mentor's have finally received their verbs. They can only be the alarm until Their properly set.

I say this because the uniform rule is a actual one that IS to be upheld to maintain The server's Medium style roleplay.

It is actually a problem if you are not upholding the rules. Especially those that are concerning roleplay Which I've listed below when it concerns marines.

Character Names - Your character must have a normal first and last name. One-word nicknames are allowed. Ranks, titles, honorifics, offensive, famous and/or pop-culture names are not allowed (e.g. Dr John Smith, Barack Obama, Lt John Doe, Adolf Hitler). Also, avoid lore-based names like Weyland, Yutani, Bishop, Ripley, etc - these are restricted to admin characters for RP only.

Incompetent Marines - The Colonial Marines wouldn't hire people with missing limbs (unless you had robotic replacements) or mental issues that cause them to harm themselves or fellow marines due to insanity.
Exception: Late in the round after seeing squadmates die from getting their chests ripped open, suicide is a viable RP option, along with self-sacrifice to aid their comrades.

Get in Uniform - Marines running around with M41s, grenades, mines, ammo bags, but wearing pajamas. Or, an LO that just changed their job to Marine still wearing their blue LO uniform. These break roleplay and immersion and are not acceptable. Get into the uniform you should be in and stay in it.


Tl;dr- Simply saying ''we have much more serious things to worry about, but thanks for the suggestion.''

Is showing you do not believe these are rules of importance that must be enforced and. Shows that you are not giving a proper representation of the attitude concerning the staff Team. This is a roleplay server. Uphold the roleplay rules and roleplay itself. IF you can not uphold all the rules and follow staff protocol. It is suggested you retire from staff. As to keep the server image healthy and to maintain the trust and cooperation between staff and players.


Advice- It is highly suggested by me that in the future you are careful in what you say. As You can easily change opinions of the staff AND the server at large as some of us have learned. If you do not have anything actually substantial to add to a ''Suggestion'' As we could call this thread. Or more of a wake up call. Than players ESPECIALLY STAFF should keep quiet about their opinions. Unless again it contributes to the thread.

Good example-
#1 ''I agree this is a issue and that staff should continuously uphold ALL rules.''
#2 ''I disagree that this is a issue and I believe staff are upholding the rules correctly.''

Bad examples-

#1 ''We have much more serious things to worry about, but thanks for the suggestion.''
#2 '' This is not a issue. Locking thread'' Than proceeding to lock thread and close it so it can not be viewed.


I hope You don't take this as offensive and see what I'm trying to say for all of our benefits.


Thankyou for reading. Have a nice day and take a lolipop


p.s- Ex staff in the way of being denied full moderator

[Oliver]

Despite my name not having any signifficant use here anymore, I will have to agree with the players here.

If any standard you are setting is a standard to begin with, I suggest upholding that with all the power you have, and can muster. If you allow this to happen, I will guarantee your players will get pissed off, and ahelps WILL arrive on this regard.

Take it from someone with years of staffing experience, that keeping your community somewhat clean of these literal clowns, is a good step to make.

[Ogard]

I'm not here to rant nor do I hold any actual power over anyone, I'm just here to help people with questions relating to ss13 and CM, message me if you want to give me advice, I'm just saying that uniforms and silly looking items on LV-624 and marines wearing them shouldn't be a problem compared to most things that players ask/need help with.

[Oliver]

I'm not here to rant nor do I hold any actual power over anyone, I'm just here to help people with questions relating to ss13 and CM, message me if you want to give me advice, I'm just saying that uniforms and silly looking items on LV-624 and marines wearing them shouldn't be a problem compared to most things that players ask/need help with.

Wearing, I find that okay. Whenever they get hugged, that's their issue.

If they start acting like the role the clothing once resembled, then yes, I can see this as a problem. I'm lead to believe Johners also has this issue.

[Ogard]

and to what you said Johners, a lot of the time mentors are actually using the tools they have available to do what we can for the server when no other higher staff are on, which alot of the time means we're answering as many ahelps as other admins might, we just don't have the tools to carry out their duties so we take screenshots or record the logs, anyway back to the discussion at hand.

[apophis775]

IC issue first. If it's a problem, call the MPs. If the MPs can't help. Ahelp it.

If staff aren't dealing with it. player report the staff.

I spent LOTS of time on CM over the weekends and during primetime, never have i gotten an ahelp about strange uniforms.

I'm not going to tell admins to scour the maps looking for uniform violations.

If you see them, and the MPs aren't helping, report them to staff, we'll deal with it.

[Sargeantmuffinman]

Oh so you realize about that uniform issue I had....

[Jack McIntyre]

I have called a few people out while observing a few people before, granted if you have donor gear you are going to be safe from me because you paid money for it, but I had someone who I was pming when he was trying to put clown suit on. I told him that it breaks rp and he just changed back to his usual clothes. I completely agree we will enforce the clothing rule, but as Apop said, use that way first then let us know. I have no problem telling someone in a clown suit and such to get back into uniform.

[Dyne]

IC issue first. If it's a problem, call the MPs. If the MPs can't help. Ahelp it.

If staff aren't dealing with it. player report the staff.

I spent LOTS of time on CM over the weekends and during primetime, never have i gotten an ahelp about strange uniforms.

I'm not going to tell admins to scour the maps looking for uniform violations.

If you see them, and the MPs aren't helping, report them to staff, we'll deal with it.

Its a server rule, not really a suggestion. Scour- maybe not, pay attention to- definitely would help.
IC MP's dont go to planetside often, and an MP running after a marine planetside for uniform disorder would be silly anyway.

Marine-specific rule number 4, to be precise.
"Get in Uniform - Marines running around with M41s, grenades, mines, ammo bags, but wearing pajamas. Or, an LO that just changed their job to Marine still wearing their blue LO uniform. These break roleplay and immersion and are not acceptable. Get into the uniform you should be in and stay in it."

[Ogard]

there is nothing said about adding things onto said uniform though, just seems a bit silly.

[Dyne]

there is nothing said about adding things onto said uniform though, just seems a bit silly.

...break roleplay and immersion and are not acceptable. Get into the uniform you should be in and stay in it.

[Arachnidnexus]

Yeah I also get annoyed at marines who put on the alien mask and grab the alien knife. Last time I mentioned it in an ahelp the staff said it was fine to wear found objects, but it still irks me that marines will just be like "Yup, weird shit from xenoarch dig, Imma put it on my face."

[Ogard]

Don't take the game too seriously lad, life is a fun thing and roleplay is fun, but if you really need to like Apop said, call the MPs

[Arachnidnexus]

Okay, it'd just be nice to know which server rules are actually enforced and which ones aren't.

[Dyne]

Don't take the game too seriously lad, life is a fun thing and roleplay is fun, but if you really need to like Apop said, call the MPs

I was under impression its a roleplay server, with generally sane and mature characters.
With, you know, rules? That admins enforce?

And are you really proposing to call MP's to a middle of a war zone because "Hey, MP, my fellow marine is wearing a clown mask and suit11!!!!"?
This whole radio message will break the fukken serious mood to pieces.
That is exactly why I ask administration to enforce this rule more vigorously.

I didn't invent it, but if it really is a rule- and it seems to be- it must be enforced.
Nothing tricky, nothing fancy, it's not as hard as to determine when and why alien slashed an infected. Just hover over marines twice a round and warn/ban those dressed inappropriately without a good IC reason.

The fact that players don't report it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, just that the players try to bite down their suspension of disbelief and ignore the crazies.

[Jack McIntyre]

Ogard it is rping the military and they won't let you get away with stupid shit like that, alien blade I will say okay to grab and alien mask is eh, but stupid other stuff is immersion breaking I believe. So has my vote to keep a eye on

[Ogard]

I'll be following what Apop said.

[UnknownMurder]

As far as I see from this rule:

No one is enforcing Server Rule. Yes, it is not only waste of Military Police's time, but as well as the Staff's time smacking a player for just wearing a clown mask that is found on the planet. Either ignore it or yell at him, is what I would say. To me, I don't care if once awhile, I spot a clown wandering around, but I would care if he's doing nothing and annoying people.

[WyattH]

Clown mask is just a marine customizing his uniform to instill more fear in his foes, just like how some paint skulls on their armor.

[Dyne]

Clown mask is just a marine customizing his uniform to instill more fear in his foes, just like how some paint skulls on their armor.

Please provide three photos of a professional army unit in a combat environment in a clown mask. Any real world army, any era.

Look, if we are playing "Sailor Moon" meets "Edge of Tommorow"- perfectly fine with me.
But then remove this rule, I want my sailor uniform to go with my braid floor length braid. /\_/\

[Ogard]

Please provide three photos of a professional army unit in a combat environment in a clown mask. Any real world army, any era.

Look, if we are playing "Sailor Moon" meets "Edge of Tommorow"- perfectly fine with me.
But then remove this rule, I want my sailor uniform to go with my braid floor length braid. /\_/\

Well I mean you are an anime man, so that would make sense, however I am following what Apop says, take it up with the MPs first, it should be an IC issue not something OOCly.

[Mac]

Apop has laid down his enforcement policy, so that's that. However, do note that in the movies the marines customized their gear (fun fact: the director told the actors to customize their armor to make it more real) so at the very least marines in the Alien universe are allowed some customization. That being said, something like a mask probably doesn't fit the bill here in terms of customization. My counter argument is the troops on the ground are somewhat disconnected from the command outside of comms and cameras, so they might be more likely to take momentos as soldiers in numerous wars have done in the past. If they're caught with this in the Sulaco, by all means have the mps enforce it. Outside of the Sulaco, it's less likely as the mps are ship bound.

Tl;dr: it's semi- justifiable even from a rp experience based on canon as well as the behavior of troops in the past, but should still have the mps all over it on the ship.