There is no more point.

[HalfdeadKiller]

Tier three aliens should NOT be the "best" alien. They should simply supply the hive with more offensive options. Going tier 3 should not be the goal of every alien. If the entire hive is going Tier 3, then you are doing alien wrong. You need the smaller members to be faster and capture marines, while the larger ones support them. Now instead of every alien simply tanking and stuff, they actually have to use tactics.

[Wickedtemp]

Just want to add my two cents as a medic. I have seen a LOT of skull and rib fractures since the weapons buff. There have been many rounds in which most of the injuries I see are caused by friendly fire. I really can't imagine a group of more than three or four marines being able to avoid putting a single bullet into a friendly while under attack from more than just one alien. Marines haven't exactly become perfect killing machines all of a sudden.

That's because of marine incompetence, pretty much one of the only things Xeno's can hope to give them a bit more of a chance. That's why the 'lone wolf' marines are so much more dangerous, or the ones going in pairs. Little to no friendly fire, with still more than enough firepower to wipe out the hive because they can each kill four tier 3 xenos each, PER MAGAZINE. If they both target the same Ravager/Praetorian, it would die in about two seconds, given that each one can probably shoot twice each second, that's four bullets each for a total of eight. And it only takes seven to kill a praetorian.

Really, how do people not see this as a problem? Even if the praetorian uses neuro spit to knock them down, they're too slow to actually get close without getting shot to death! Then the other marine just get's shaken up by his buddy and the fight continues. A third tier xeno should be able to take on 2 marines.

[Wickedtemp]

Tier three aliens should NOT be the "best" alien. They should simply supply the hive with more offensive options. Going tier 3 should not be the goal of every alien. If the entire hive is going Tier 3, then you are doing alien wrong. You need the smaller members to be faster and capture marines, while the larger ones support them. Now instead of every alien simply tanking and stuff, they actually have to use tactics.

Yeah, except that now there's no reason to go tier 3 when they aren't even a threat anymore. A fat lot of good extra offense does when, by the time you get close enough to actually hit a marine, you're put into crit. There really isn't a point for any alien to go to the third tier except for drones and maybe a crusher for an explosive sponge. Anything else is too slow to be of much use. Seven bullets, about 3 seconds of shooting, is all it takes to kill the 3rd tier aliens. Boilers are the most useless thing ever because if they get shot twice, pretty sure they'd die or go into hard crit. Lessened evolution time or not, it's still not making up for the fact that the player waited for around 15-30 minutes (depending when they get jelly) to evolve into a bigger and stronger xeno, only to get shot a few times and die, just like any other lesser xeno.

Yeah, that sounds like so much fun. I'd totally want to join that team!

[Siserith Vassada]

i just want to say that the xenos can easily win and whenever i play xeno i can still take on an whole squad of marines by myself. the people that die all the time as xenos are ususally just plain incompetant. your not supposed to sit infront of a marine taking all their fire. your supposed to ambush them. use corners to your advantage. not just charge down a hallway that has three marines in front and another three specs with smartguns in a second line putting down so much fire down a hallway that you instantly die. and even more as a t3 ravager i have often taken out entire squads of marines alone by simply leading them to fire on eachother and using marines as bullet spounges

[Disco Dalek]

That's because of marine incompetence, pretty much one of the only things Xeno's can hope to give them a bit more of a chance. That's why the 'lone wolf' marines are so much more dangerous, or the ones going in pairs. Little to no friendly fire, with still more than enough firepower to wipe out the hive because they can each kill four tier 3 xenos each, PER MAGAZINE. If they both target the same Ravager/Praetorian, it would die in about two seconds, given that each one can probably shoot twice each second, that's four bullets each for a total of eight. And it only takes seven to kill a praetorian.

Really, how do people not see this as a problem? Even if the praetorian uses neuro spit to knock them down, they're too slow to actually get close without getting shot to death! Then the other marine just get's shaken up by his buddy and the fight continues. A third tier xeno should be able to take on 2 marines.

The thing you have to remember is that marines happen to be people too (ironic I know). You mention how annoying it is when a Rambo marine can kill a couple aliens. Why should aliens be able to Rambo freely then? Aliens are designed to ambush marines, not have a shootout with them. As has been mentioned previously, tier 3 shouldn't be the goal of every single xeno. Everything has it's own strengths and weaknesses. For example, that Rambo marine killing tier 3s would be destroyed by a runner with huggers. Everything has its own purpose. Medics shouldn't run out into battle as marines lay dying around them, commanders shouldn't abandon their posts to go kill some aliens, and xenos designed for supporting an assault and defending the hive shouldn't be running around by themselves thinking they're invincible.

[apophis775]

I haven't posted in a long while, but I want to bring up a valid point. According to the change log on 07112015, Marine weapons received a damage buff, I know this is less than the 200% damage test, but I do not like it one bit. I would like to enumerate my reasons why.

1) It encourages the Marine team to Rambo. With buffed damage, any marine with enough balls can go and kill most, maybe even all aliens singlehandedly, wiping out any fun the alien team might have had.

2) Even with the sped-up alien evolution, it still doesn't count. It may take fifteen minutes to evolve from larva to Tier 3 with a diligent queen, but there is a drawback. Connecting with the first reason, Marines can deploy anywhere between 20-30 minutes with a quick enough briefing and on-spot command staff, leading to Ramboing.

3) Tier 3s are no longer a threat, even without a SADAR knockdown. In my opinion, Tier 3s are supposed to be the ultimate, strong and difficult to take down, with exception of the Boiler. With the damage upgrade, they are as weak as runners to even a single marine.

In conclusion, there is no more point in playing as Xeno if all the fun via tactics is sapped out due to damage boosts with the Marines. I love the site and I wish to see it get better and better, but this is turning me off and I almost came to the point of abandoning the server.

My question is, did you even TRY the adjustments before bitching?

I extensively tested and worked on this to determine the proper adjustments, and did it based on "hits to kill" for specific weapons off-weeds.

A single marine is still NO MATCH for aliens, but a group of marines can tear apart a single alien.

[Azmodan412]

My question is, did you even TRY the adjustments before bitching?

I extensively tested and worked on this to determine the proper adjustments, and did it based on "hits to kill" for specific weapons off-weeds.

A single marine is still NO MATCH for aliens, but a group of marines can tear apart a single alien.

I have tried the adjustments before, as you so eloquently put, bitching about it. The "hits to kill" counts on weeds as well as off. And given the destructive tendencies of most marines, it would be fair to assume that they would have cleared space to maneuver. So, in essence, a single marine can take out a number of aliens before being taken down, if at all.

[apophis775]

Maybe if it's the most skilled marine on the face of the planet against the most brain damaged alien ever. Here's your tactics:

Drone: Shouldn't be in combat, but run at marine, tackle, eat face
Sentinal/spitter/praetorian/boiler: Spit neurotoxin, move towards marine, eat face.
Runner/Hunter/Charger/Ravager: Pounce/tackle/rush/charge towards marine, knock down, eat face.

These MINOR increases in damage and adjustments don't change as much as you believe.

I'm getting SO TIRED of doing a super-minor balance change that I've tested, researched, and worked out and getting like 4 or 5 people who complain compared to everyone else enjoying it.

It's seriously people that do that, which burn out our dev team.

[Mac]

Honestly just ignore the bitching from the minority here Apop. I think that win ratios for each side are what will show is balance. Last I checked the aliens won something like 66% of games.

[Stivan34]

Xenos should be buffed, In the first Alien movie a SINGLE DRONE killed 6 guys.

[Lostmixup]

Xenos should be buffed, In the first Alien movie a SINGLE DRONE killed 6 guys.

I don't think it ran right at them while they shot at it with perfect accuracy though.

[monkeysfist101]

Xenos should be buffed, In the first Alien movie a SINGLE DRONE killed 6 guys.

In the first movie, "a SINGLE DRONE" killed 6 people armed with two hastily assembled flamethrowers who didn't want to kill the alien for fear that it's blood would destroy the ship. In the second movie, Hicks kills at least three with a shotgun from the 60's (handed down through his family) during a run and gun out of the hive. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Xenos are ambush hunters. They suck in a 1v1 fight on open ground.

[Seehund]

In the first movie, "a SINGLE DRONE" killed 6 people armed with two hastily assembled flamethrowers who didn't want to kill the alien for fear that it's blood would destroy the ship. In the second movie, Hicks kills at least three with a shotgun from the 60's (handed down through his family) during a run and gun out of the hive. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Xenos are ambush hunters. They suck in a 1v1 fight on open ground.

THIS, so much.
Furthermore, in the first movie, the 6 people were completely unprepared civilians. You know, just to point everything out.

[Sadokist]

Maybe if it's the most skilled marine on the face of the planet against the most brain damaged alien ever. Here's your tactics:

Drone: Shouldn't be in combat, but run at marine, tackle, eat face
Sentinal/spitter/praetorian/boiler: Spit neurotoxin, move towards marine, eat face.
Runner/Hunter/Charger/Ravager: Pounce/tackle/rush/charge towards marine, knock down, eat face.

These MINOR increases in damage and adjustments don't change as much as you believe.

I'm getting SO TIRED of doing a super-minor balance change that I've tested, researched, and worked out and getting like 4 or 5 people who complain compared to everyone else enjoying it.

It's seriously people that do that, which burn out our dev team.

*pat Apop on the back*
it's ok......it's ok......

[Aeleto]

Currently the sentinel class is underpowered to the point hunter class is better at defending than it with that recent weapon buff. It's the only thing that piss ayylmaos off.